[Biofuel] Iraq for sale

[Kirk McLoren]

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Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be Titrationquestion from a Newbie

[Thomas Kelly]

Joe,
As you say:
>The titration solution is water anyways so what difference is 10% water >gonna 
>make in the IPA?  The water is always a problem cuz it makes the >oil want to 
>drop out and unless you've got good agitation .. 

   IPA     India Pale Ale?
   Oh   IsoPropylAlcohol

   When a  WVO  titrates at 2ml  of 0.1% lye, you have just added 2ml of water. 
You have increased the water concentration by 15%.(?)
 That is the very reason why I like to start with the driest isopropanol.

 Ken P wrote that it is only the FFAs that have to dissolve in the IPA. 
That was why he felt the IPA purity wasn't critical.

All things being equal (price/ease of obtaining) I go for anhydrous IPA. 
This,
I think is good advice for newbies  .  the original post.

>I've been wondering what about using a 0.1% w/v solution of KOH in >IPA as a 
>titration solution instead.  

  Very interesting. Why not?
   I may have a Liter of IPA. I'm tempted to try it   but I wonder why. 
I've been making consistently good BD titrating w. aqueous KOH solution and 
using 95% IPA that I get for a couple of dollars.

>In this case anhydrous IPA would make sense.  Thoughts?

  Actually, I think anhydrous IPA would be less important.

   Tom

  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Street 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be 
Titrationquestion from a Newbie


  Guys;

  The titration solution is water anyways so what difference is 10% water gonna 
make in the IPA?  The water is always a problem cuz it makes the oil want to 
drop out and unless you've got good agitation I wonder how accurate the 
titration really is.  I've been wondering what about using a 0.1% w/v solution 
of KOH in IPA as a titration solution instead.  In this case anhydrous IPA 
would make sense.  Thoughts?

  Joe

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Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be Titrationquestion from a Newbie

[Joe Street]

Guys;

The titration solution is water anyways so what difference is 10% water 
gonna make in the IPA?  The water is always a problem cuz it makes the 
oil want to drop out and unless you've got good agitation I wonder how 
accurate the titration really is.  I've been wondering what about using 
a 0.1% w/v solution of KOH in IPA as a titration solution instead.  In 
this case anhydrous IPA would make sense.  Thoughts?


Joe

Thomas Kelly wrote:


Mike Weaver wrote:
   



 


Look for 99% anhydrous iso
   




Where?




 


Look for 99% anhydrous iso

Thomas Kelly wrote:

   


Andrew,
I thought that "rubbing alcohol" (isopropyl) sold at pharmacies 
was 70%.
I just noticed that a container of isopropyl alcohol  in our bathroom 
cabinet was 91%. It was purchased at a local pharmacy; 1 quart (950ml) 
for $2.49 (USD).
Ken P. commented that purity wasn't critical. I'm not so sure 
about 70%, but 90+% might be OK. You can't beat the price.
   
Tom


 





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Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be Titrationquestion from a Newbie

[Thomas Kelly]

Thanks Mike
My town has one of the last independent pharmacies in the area.
The owner is a neighbor. He could probably order it for me.
   Tom
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be 
Titrationquestion from a Newbie


>I found it at a well-stocked independant pharmacy
>
> Thomas Kelly wrote:
>
>>>Mike Weaver wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Look for 99% anhydrous iso
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Where?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Look for 99% anhydrous iso
>>>
>>>Thomas Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
Andrew,
 I thought that "rubbing alcohol" (isopropyl) sold at pharmacies
was 70%.
I just noticed that a container of isopropyl alcohol  in our bathroom
cabinet was 91%. It was purchased at a local pharmacy; 1 quart (950ml)
for $2.49 (USD).
 Ken P. commented that purity wasn't critical. I'm not so sure
about 70%, but 90+% might be OK. You can't beat the price.

Tom



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[Biofuel] UNDERSTANDING THE THREAT TO DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS

[Kirk McLoren]

UNDERSTANDING THE THREAT TO DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS
PART 1

By Byron J. Richards, CCN

May 15, 2007

NewsWithViews.com 

Your right to have free access to safe and highly effective dietary supplements 
is under an intense multi-pronged FDA attack. On May 14, 2007 the Supreme Court 
sided with the FDA by deciding not to hear the case of Nutraceutical v FDA, 
letting stand a federal appeals court ruling that permits the FDA to use 
drug-related risk/benefit analysis to determine if a nutrient is safe. This is 
the exact same point the FDA is trying to get put into law through Senate bill 
S.1082 and HR.1561, which consumers have flooded the Senate on over the past 
few weeks. And it is the same point the FDA is seeking to help implement on an 
international basis through Codex. The Supreme Court denial to hear this case 
is a dramatic turn of events that means there is very little time left to act 
to preserve free access to dietary supplements. The first part of this article 
explains this issue in depth so that Americans can understand what is taking 
place. The second part explains the steps Americans
 need to take to preserve their health freedom. 

continued: http://www.newswithviews.com:80/Richards/byron30.htm

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[Biofuel] [Fwd: U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein responding to your message]

[robert and benita rabello]

I keep pestering this woman in the hope that she'll actually DO 
something about the debacle in Iraq--a war she voted to support.  Though 
I still disagree with the concept of leaving American troops in Iraq, as 
it just seems like a pretext for permanent occupation, she has more say 
in this matter than I do and at least her staff took the time to write!



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Subject:U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein responding to your message
Date:   Tue, 15 May 2007 13:37:59 -0400
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Dear Mr. Rabello:



Thank you for your letter concerning the situation in Iraq. I appreciate 
hearing your views on this very important issue.




I am deeply concerned about our Iraq strategy. President Bush sent our 
military to Iraq using faulty intelligence and inadequate planning. The 
Administration has ignored the advice of high-ranking military 
commanders, our allies around the world, Congressional leaders on both 
sides of the aisle, and the Iraq Study Group, by refusing to acknowledge 
that there is no military solution to the violence in Iraq.




Conditions in Iraq continue to get worse, with more U.S. troops dying 
and hundreds of Iraqis killed weekly in horrific violence. Our troops 
are caught in the midst of a complex civil war. This sectarian conflict 
cannot be solved by military intervention but only by the Iraqi 
leadership taking tough political actions to stem long standing 
grievances and hatred between Sunnis and Shi'as. More than 3,300 of our 
brave men and women in uniform have lost their lives and over 25,000 
have been injured; tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians have been 
brutally murdered. The current situation is simply unacceptable




For this reason, I joined my colleagues in the United States Senate in 
supporting a provision in the fiscal year 2007 Emergency Supplemental 
Appropriations bill, to require the President to begin a phased 
redeployment of our combat troops from Iraq no later than October 1, 
2007, with the goal of completing it by March 2008. This bill allows for 
the continued deployment of a limited number of troops in Iraq beyond 
the final withdrawal date to train and equip Iraqi security and police 
forces, carry out targeted strikes against al-Qaeda terrorists and 
foreign fighters, and protect U.S. diplomatic and civilian personnel in 
Iraq.




I am very disappointed that the President has yet again ignored the 
calls of the American people to bring our troops home, and chose instead 
to veto the Emergency Supplemental bill, which would have provided $95.5 
billion to support our servicemen and women in Iraq and Afghanistan. 
Nevertheless, I will continue to work hard to bring our troops home as I 
push for a political and diplomatic solution to the situation in Iraq.


  

Again, thank you for writing. For your review, I have included my most 
recent floor statement on this issue. If you have any further questions 
or comments, please visit my website at http://feinstein.senate.gov, or 
contact my office in Washington, D.C. at (202) 224-3841. Best regards.










Statement of Senator Dianne Feinstein

In Support of the Fiscal Year 2007 Iraq Supplemental Bill



Mrs. FEINSTEIN. Mr. President, in 1999, when George Bush was a candidate 
for the presidency and President Clinton was Commander-in-Chief, George 
Bush had this to say about American troops in Bosnia: 'Victory means 
exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain what the 
exit strategy is.'




Well, the Congress has been asking for that exit strategy, year after 
year, for four years now. In fact, President Bush has no exit strategy, 
and so the United States is bogged down in an impossible situation - 
'Shock and awe' followed by ineffective 'follow on' efforts.




Today, in the fifth year of this war, the United States is enmeshed in 
what has become a vicious and terrifying civil war. It cannot be won 
through the use of American military force.




This war can only be won through political accommodation between Sunni 
and Shia, which means only the Iraqis can settle it, which means only 
the Iraqi government can settle it.




To this date, they appear to be unable to do what needs to be done to 
stop this conflict. So without an exit strategy, the war goes on. The 
killings continue. The casualties rise. Nearly 25,000 Americans injured, 
with many tens of thousands of Iraqis killed and injured, and hundreds 
of thousands of people displaced from their homes by this war.




Estimates put Iraqi civilian deaths, in the first three months of this 
year, at more than 5,500 in the Baghdad area alone.




And on Monday, two truck bombs killed nine members of the 82nd Airborne 
Division, and wounded 20 more. It was the deadliest day of combat in the 
division's history since the Vietnam War.




I fear that unless Congress acts and puts forward that exit strategy, 
this bloodshed will continue, year after

Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be Titrationquestion from a Newbie

[Mike Weaver]

I found it at a well-stocked independant pharmacy

Thomas Kelly wrote:

>>Mike Weaver wrote:
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>Look for 99% anhydrous iso
>>
>>
> 
>
>Where?
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>Look for 99% anhydrous iso
>>
>>Thomas Kelly wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Andrew,
>>> I thought that "rubbing alcohol" (isopropyl) sold at pharmacies 
>>>was 70%.
>>>I just noticed that a container of isopropyl alcohol  in our bathroom 
>>>cabinet was 91%. It was purchased at a local pharmacy; 1 quart (950ml) 
>>>for $2.49 (USD).
>>> Ken P. commented that purity wasn't critical. I'm not so sure 
>>>about 70%, but 90+% might be OK. You can't beat the price.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>
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Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be Titrationquestion from a Newbie

[Thomas Kelly]

> Mike Weaver wrote:

> Look for 99% anhydrous iso
 

Where?




> Look for 99% anhydrous iso
> 
> Thomas Kelly wrote:
> 
>> Andrew,
>>  I thought that "rubbing alcohol" (isopropyl) sold at pharmacies 
>> was 70%.
>> I just noticed that a container of isopropyl alcohol  in our bathroom 
>> cabinet was 91%. It was purchased at a local pharmacy; 1 quart (950ml) 
>> for $2.49 (USD).
>>  Ken P. commented that purity wasn't critical. I'm not so sure 
>> about 70%, but 90+% might be OK. You can't beat the price.
>> 
>> Tom
>>



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Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be Titrationquestion from a Newbie

[Mike Weaver]

Look for 99% anhydrous iso

Thomas Kelly wrote:

> Andrew,
>  I thought that "rubbing alcohol" (isopropyl) sold at pharmacies 
> was 70%.
> I just noticed that a container of isopropyl alcohol  in our bathroom 
> cabinet was 91%. It was purchased at a local pharmacy; 1 quart (950ml) 
> for $2.49 (USD).
>  Ken P. commented that purity wasn't critical. I'm not so sure 
> about 70%, but 90+% might be OK. You can't beat the price.
> 
> Tom
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Zeke Yewdall 
> *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:45 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be
> Titrationquestion from a Newbie
>
> It seems that hydroponics stores carry very pure isopropyl alcohol
> as well.  I seem to remember a price of about $40 for one US
> gallon for the  99.5% stuff, which is similar to the price you
> found though.
>
> Z
>
> On 5/14/07, *Thomas Kelly* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
>
> Andrew,
>
> > Now all of this rests upon me getting my alcohols right, so
> search, at
> > the top of the page, for "isopropyl" at this site,
> www.rsaustralia.com  .
> > This gives a range of container sizes. There is also an MSDS at:
> >
> >
> 
> http://docs-asia.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0065/0900766b80065e94.pdf
> 
> 
> >
> > Have I found the right stuff? Assuming I've got the right
> stuff, it's a
> > lot easier to get 99.7% IPA from an electronics place than a
> chemical
> > supply place. Electronics places are probably a lot more
> common as well.
>
>  Isopropanol is what you want for titrating WVO;
> Isopropanol = Isopropyl
> Alcohol.
>  Although 99.7% is very good purity, $16.90 (AUD?) for 500
> ml quoted at
> www.rsaustralia.com   is a bit
> expensive.  If you have had success with small
> test batches using virgin oil and are ready to move on to WVO (and
> titration) it is probably worth it to get the best quality
> isopropanol you
> can find and afford. While you are using the expensive
> Isopropanol keep a
> heads up for a cheaper source.
>  As I said, I use a gas line antifreeze called "Iso-Heet".
> It is
> available at auto supply stores here in the US for about $2
> (USD) for 335ml.
> Other gas antifreeze/de-watering products may also be
> isopropanol.
>
>  Best of Luck to You,
> Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] Great Collection of PDF files about farming, agriculture and more

[David Penfold]

If you want literally thousands of documents on similar subjects and far 
more, try this:


http://www.cd3wd.com/

There's currently about 14Gb worth on there. I think they're all public 
domain as well.



Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:38:50 -0400
From: Chip Mefford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Great Collection of PDF files about farming,
agriculture and more
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

doug swanson wrote:
> http://www.librum.us/pdfs/index.htm
>
> Page contents:

Nice collection;

However,

First one I looked at

quote:


"All rights reserved. No part of this publication ma)
be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any
means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopy,
recording, or any information storage and retrieval
system, without the written permission of the
publisher."

and I found no such permission.





I've tried a couple of times to collect such a stack
of write ups, and format them as pdf and simple html v.1
and rollup a cd with an index, but at the end of the day,
if it isn't public domain, similarly free, you just
can't do it.

Can't as in, May not.



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Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be Titrationquestion from a Newbie

[Thomas Kelly]

Andrew,
 I thought that "rubbing alcohol" (isopropyl) sold at pharmacies was 70%.
I just noticed that a container of isopropyl alcohol  in our bathroom cabinet 
was 91%. It was purchased at a local pharmacy; 1 quart (950ml) for $2.49 (USD). 
 Ken P. commented that purity wasn't critical. I'm not so sure about 70%, 
but 90+% might be OK. You can't beat the price.
Tom
  - Original Message - 
  From: Zeke Yewdall 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be 
Titrationquestion from a Newbie


  It seems that hydroponics stores carry very pure isopropyl alcohol as well.  
I seem to remember a price of about $40 for one US gallon for the  99.5% stuff, 
which is similar to the price you found though.

  Z


  On 5/14/07, Thomas Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Andrew,

> Now all of this rests upon me getting my alcohols right, so search, at
> the top of the page, for "isopropyl" at this site, www.rsaustralia.com .
> This gives a range of container sizes. There is also an MSDS at:
>
> http://docs-asia.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0065/0900766b80065e94.pdf 
>
> Have I found the right stuff? Assuming I've got the right stuff, it's a
> lot easier to get 99.7% IPA from an electronics place than a chemical
> supply place. Electronics places are probably a lot more common as well. 

 Isopropanol is what you want for titrating WVO; Isopropanol = Isopropyl
Alcohol.
 Although 99.7% is very good purity, $16.90 (AUD?) for 500 ml quoted at
www.rsaustralia.com   is a bit expensive.  If you have had success with 
small
test batches using virgin oil and are ready to move on to WVO (and
titration) it is probably worth it to get the best quality isopropanol you
can find and afford. While you are using the expensive Isopropanol keep a 
heads up for a cheaper source.
 As I said, I use a gas line antifreeze called "Iso-Heet". It is
available at auto supply stores here in the US for about $2 (USD) for 335ml.
Other gas antifreeze/de-watering products may also be isopropanol. 

 Best of Luck to You,
Tom
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[Biofuel] Nuclear Weapons Materials Released to Landfills

[Kirk McLoren]

radioactive pots and pans from recycling has already been an issue.
  Prima facia evidence our leaders are incompetent.

"D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Subject: Fw: Nuclear Weapons Materials Released to Landfills
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 02:17:24 -0500

st1\:* {   BEHAVIOR: url(#default#ieooui)  }  It seems like we 
are not being protected against anything that's harmful. The gates to all
  polluters are wide open. When you add in the approved pollutants like 
fluoride, aspartame,
  vaccinations, mercury amalgams, MSG, chlorine, pesticides, GMOs, 
electro-smog, etc., you might get
  the idea that we're intentionally being exposed to these things. Ask 
yourself: Why?
 

  

NEWS FROM NIRS   
  Nuclear Information and Resource Service
  6930 Carroll Avenue, #340, Takoma Park, MD 20912
  301-270-6477; fax: 301-270-4291; www.nirs.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
   
  FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
  May 14, 2007  
   
  Contacts: Diane D’Arrigo, 301-270-6477 ext. 16
  Mary Olson (NIRS Southeast) (after 1 PM eastern), 828-675-1792 
   
  New Report Finds Nuclear Weapons Materials Released to Landfills
  Pathways Open for Reuse and Recycling
   
  Takoma Park, MD – Radioactive materials are being released from nuclear 
weapons facilities to regular landfills and could get into commercial recycling 
streams, finds a new report released today by Nuclear Information and Resource 
Service (NIRS).
   
  The report: Out of Control – On Purpose: DOE’s Dispersal of Radioactive Waste 
into Landfills and Consumer Products – was commissioned to track if and how the 
Department of Energy (DOE) releases some of the radioactive wastes from nuclear 
bomb production.
   
  The report authors, led by Diane D’Arrigo, NIRS’ Radioactive Waste Project 
Director, researched seven sites and the DOE national headquarters. The seven 
sites were: Oak Ridge TN, Rocky Flats CO, Los Alamos NM, Mound and Fernald OH, 
West Valley NY, and Paducah KY.
   
  “People around regular trash landfills will be shocked to learn that 
radioactive contamination from nuclear weapons production is ending up there, 
either directly released by DOE or via brokers and processors,” D’Arrigo said. 
“Just as ominous, the DOE allows and encourages sale and donation of some 
radioactively contaminated materials.”
   
  The report tracked the laws, guidance and technical justifications that DOE 
uses to rationalize allowing radioactive scrap, concrete, equipment, asphalt, 
plastic, wood, chemicals, soil, and more out to landfills, commercial 
businesses and recreation areas, recycling and reuse in places unprepared to 
handle radioactivity. Applauding DOE’s ban on recycling of radioactive metal 
from nuclear weapons, the report cautions there are loopholes and it is again 
threatened.
   
  “DOE is ignoring public opposition to unnecessary exposures and releasing 
radioactivity even though the U.S. Congress revoked such release policies,” 
said Mary Olson, director of the NIRS Southeast office and a co-author of the 
report. “DOE is using its own internal guidance to allow radioactive weapons 
wastes out of control, claiming the doses to people will be ‘acceptable’ even 
though they are not enforced or tracked.”
   
  Under the current system, the DOE and other nuclear waste generators release 
materials directly, sell them at auction or through exchanges or send their 
waste to processors who can then release it from radioactive controls to 
landfills, to recyclers or for reuse. 
   
  The report found that the State of Tennessee is a leader in licensing 
processors that can release radioactive materials for the nuclear waste 
generators. 
   
  “Tennessee is serving as a funnel to bring in nuclear weapons and power waste 
from around the country to disperse into the landfills and recycling without 
public knowledge,” D’Arrigo said.
   
  The waste is processed by state-licensed companies and in some cases 
“redefined” as “special” then released to regular landfills. This free release 
also opens up the potential for the materials to enter the recycling stream to 
make everyday household and personal items or to be used to build roads, 
schools, and playgrounds.
   
  “As long as DOE and other nuclear waste generators can slip their 
contamination out –letting it get Out of Control – On Purpose – there is really 
no limit to the amount of additional radiation exposure members of the public 
could receive,” D’Arrigo concluded. “Only an informed, outraged public can 
force DOE and agreeable states to shift the goal from dispersal to isolation of 
radioactive waste.”
  
A copy of the full report can be found on the NIRS web site at: 
http://www.nirs.org/radwaste/outofcontrol/outofcontrol.htm
   
  The report authors and contributors include: 
  Diane D’Arrigo, NIRS’ Radioactive Waste Project Director
  Mary Olson, Dire

Re: [Biofuel] Great Collection of PDF files about farming, agriculture and more

[doug swanson]

Sorry about that lead, I downloaded several, and didn't see the "rights 
reserved" paragraph in the ones I had looked at...  I did see on the 
main download page that Librum owns the electric copyrights, and didn't 
track it down to find the proof of the statement.

doug swanson   

Chip Mefford wrote:

>doug swanson wrote:
>  
>
>>http://www.librum.us/pdfs/index.htm
>>
>>Page contents:
>>
>>
>
>Nice collection;
>
>However,
>
>First one I looked at
>
>quote:
>
>
>"All rights reserved. No part of this publication ma)
>be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any
>means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopy,
>recording, or any information storage and retrieval
>system, without the written permission of the
>publisher."
>
>and I found no such permission.
>
>
>
>
>
>I've tried a couple of times to collect such a stack
>of write ups, and format them as pdf and simple html v.1
>and rollup a cd with an index, but at the end of the day,
>if it isn't public domain, similarly free, you just
>can't do it.
>
>Can't as in, May not.
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Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be Titration question from a Newbie

[Zeke Yewdall]

It seems that hydroponics stores carry very pure isopropyl alcohol as well.
I seem to remember a price of about $40 for one US gallon for the
99.5%stuff, which is similar to the price you found though.

Z

On 5/14/07, Thomas Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Andrew,

> Now all of this rests upon me getting my alcohols right, so search, at
> the top of the page, for "isopropyl" at this site, www.rsaustralia.com.
> This gives a range of container sizes. There is also an MSDS at:
>
> http://docs-asia.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0065/0900766b80065e94.pdf
>
> Have I found the right stuff? Assuming I've got the right stuff, it's a
> lot easier to get 99.7% IPA from an electronics place than a chemical
> supply place. Electronics places are probably a lot more common as well.

 Isopropanol is what you want for titrating WVO; Isopropanol =
Isopropyl
Alcohol.
 Although 99.7% is very good purity, $16.90 (AUD?) for 500 ml quoted
at
www.rsaustralia.com  is a bit expensive.  If you have had success with
small
test batches using virgin oil and are ready to move on to WVO (and
titration) it is probably worth it to get the best quality isopropanol you
can find and afford. While you are using the expensive Isopropanol keep a
heads up for a cheaper source.
 As I said, I use a gas line antifreeze called "Iso-Heet". It is
available at auto supply stores here in the US for about $2 (USD) for
335ml.
Other gas antifreeze/de-watering products may also be isopropanol.

 Best of Luck to You,
Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] Any Diesel gurus put there?

[Zeke Yewdall]

Possibly the injector gummed up over the winter...  but I left my VW rabbit
under a snowbank all winter, and on a warm day in April after it melted out,
it started right up and ran like before.  B100 in the tank, which I know was
solid several times over the winter.

I am not familiar with this little diesel engine, but is it possible that
the valves or injector timing could be messed up?  Complete unrelated to the
storing it issue -- but something may have happened coincidentally, like an
adjustment bolt slipping loose from the vibration of running when it first
started this spring.  The fact that even ether won't start it is odd -- my
VW will start on ether with no glow plugs, on a below freezing day, with
B100 in it (I try to avoid that, because I'm afraid of breaking the pistons,
but I have done it once or twice when my glow plugs all burned out).  That
seems to point to a possible timing issue.  Depending on how the injector
for this works, the timing could be affected by the injector being gummed
too -- I know that the unitary injectors on my dad's old bulldozer are
pretty complicated things with four or five moving parts compared to a
standard injector designed to run from a separate injector pump.

Z

On 5/15/07, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It's possible.

I don't really know much about diesels - I mostly worked on gas engines
way back.

The fule lines seem tight.

I'm going to run a solvent through the entire fuel system - maybe the
injector is gummed up.

Thnaks for the responnce!

-Mike

A. Lawrence wrote:

>Any chance you've disturbed something and it's sucking some air now?? Go
>over the whole system carefully... Easier to pull in air than fuel...
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:28 PM
>Subject: [Biofuel] Any Diesel gurus put there?
>
>
>
>
>>Greetings all,
>>
>>Left my 4.7 HP Changfa diesel outside in the shed through the winter and
>>now it won't start.
>>I left it with about 1/2 a tank of BD in it, and actually I did get it
>>to start and run twice as soon as the weather warmed up (this week).
>>It started with a fair amount of black smoke as it usually does then I
>>ran it for a few minutes and shut it off.
>>
>>Usually when diesels have a starting problem it's fuel delivery, so I
>>pulled the lines apart, cleaned everything including the injector.
>>I checked the spray pattern and it looks good.  I drained out all the
>>old BD and filled it with fresh petro diesel and cranked it until the
>>line filled up again.
>>
>>But, it won't start.
>>
>>So being an old hand at automotive diesels, I linked two 12 V batteries
>>in series to get 24 volts, which pretty much doubles the crankiing
speed,
>>and cranked it until the engine got good and warm.
>>
>>As it is heating up I know it's firing some, but not enough to catch.  I
>>gave it a few shots of ether and that seems to bring it closer to
>>running, but I don't want to blow a hole in the piston.
>>
>>Right now it feels as if it will almost catch, but now quite.
>>
>>It produces a ton of white smoke, which usually means fuel delivery
>>problems, but it really does seem to be pumping enough fuel.
>>
>>I haven't really wrenched in years, but my guess is that the injector is
>>somehow messed up.
>>
>>BTW, the engine is new and has almost no hours on it.
>>
>>Any greybeards out there with advice?
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>Mike
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol supplies - Used to be Titration question from a Newbie

[Thomas Kelly]

Andrew,

> Now all of this rests upon me getting my alcohols right, so search, at
> the top of the page, for "isopropyl" at this site, www.rsaustralia.com.
> This gives a range of container sizes. There is also an MSDS at:
>
> http://docs-asia.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0065/0900766b80065e94.pdf
>
> Have I found the right stuff? Assuming I've got the right stuff, it's a
> lot easier to get 99.7% IPA from an electronics place than a chemical
> supply place. Electronics places are probably a lot more common as well.

 Isopropanol is what you want for titrating WVO; Isopropanol = Isopropyl 
Alcohol.
 Although 99.7% is very good purity, $16.90 (AUD?) for 500 ml quoted at 
www.rsaustralia.com  is a bit expensive.  If you have had success with small 
test batches using virgin oil and are ready to move on to WVO (and 
titration) it is probably worth it to get the best quality isopropanol you 
can find and afford. While you are using the expensive Isopropanol keep a 
heads up for a cheaper source.
 As I said, I use a gas line antifreeze called "Iso-Heet". It is 
available at auto supply stores here in the US for about $2 (USD) for 335ml. 
Other gas antifreeze/de-watering products may also be isopropanol.

 Best of Luck to You,
Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] Re-processing troubles

[Thomas Kelly]

Hello Keith,
> New list members quite often get told this:
>
>>Please read this:
>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html#learn
>
> They don't always seem to take much notice though.

 As Joe said  ..   It's all there. (At JTF)
It's been covered again and again here on the list.

 I don't think it can be written any better. I don't think it's possible 
to present a more comprehensive explanation of the process.

In my 30+ years teaching I spent countless hours refining my 
presentation, re-writing lab instructions, and still I got questions and 
confusion about concepts, procedures, etc. (I had the "luxury" of actually 
being there to address individual questions.)
 With 90 minute class periods I was able to include a lab activity with 
each lesson. Typical day's lesson: read a few pages for homework, discuss, 
resolve questions, then engage: see, touch, do. The key to any success I had 
was diversification. Some students learn simply by reading, other's also 
need discussion, some actually like taking notes, others learn by doing.
 Even by attempting to address different learning styles, it is 
essential for a teacher to be available for individual attention    sit 
with a student and draw out the questions, diagnose the problem and address 
it in a way the student understands. Working one-on-one this way can be very 
effective and efficient.

 The value of being able to ask questions .  even ones that have 
been asked before  .   and then follow-up/rephrasing  ..  is crucial 
to understanding the process. It is the individual attention portion of the 
learning process. Remember Keith, you do not simply advocate making 
something that eventually washes, becomes clear, and seems to run fine in an 
engine (at least for the moment). You have always emphasized quality. This 
includes emulsion-free washes and quality testing of the final product.
You don't advocate masking problem batches with gentle bubble-washing, but 
rather exposing them. Ex If they can't take stir-washing there's probably  a 
problem with the process; tweaking is in order.
  Your motto has never been "one size fits all." Understanding process 
allows us to vary processor design, thereby applying "appropriate 
technology". It allows us to use vinegar for salad dressing rather than 
emulsion control.
 This is not "Biodiesel the easy way". It is, I believe "Biodiesel the 
right way."

> It's been suggested several times that I should make a sort of FAQ at
> the list webpage at sustainablelists.org linked to major themes in
> the archives, .

 Nice, if you feel like it and have the time. I think you already have a 
better way to address questions right here   the list.

Everything I needed to know was at JTF, but I still had problems.
The help of list members got me through them. This is a fantastic resource. 
I can't thank you, and others who responded to my questions, enough.
 I think Newbies should do their homework    read, re-read, and then 
read again. Do small (1L) test batches using virgin oil    then ask 
questions.
 Best Wishes in All You Do,
Tom



- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re-processing troubles


> Hi Tom, Joe and all
>
>>Hi Tom;
>>
>>Excellent synopsis on 'how to do it right'.  Although this is the
>>same information that is there on the journey to forever website and
>>probably a hundred times over here on the forum, I wish there was a
>>way to bold it in the archives or something.  The message should
>>show up in red in my mailbox.
>>
>>Thanks for taking the time to put it so succinctly.
>>
>>Joe
>
> I'll second that, very nice Tom, thankyou. I've also been wondering
> just how to make it show up in red.
>
> New list members quite often get told this:
>
>>Please read this:
>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html#learn
>
> They don't always seem to take much notice though.
>
> It's been suggested several times that I should make a sort of FAQ at
> the list webpage at sustainablelists.org linked to major themes in
> the archives, but (a) I'm not going to take on the job, (b) I'm also
> not going to take on the job of keeping it maintained and updated,
> (c) I tend to think the links already there to resources at JtF
> should be enough, and (d) I don't think it would work anyway.
>
> I'll add your synopsis to the JtF website resources though, I think
> it will help a lot. In the section on Quality tests, probably with
> several links to it from elsewhere in the Biodiesel section.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>>Thomas Kelly wrote:
>>
>>>Hello to All,
>>>
>>> It is my impression that a thicker than "paper thin" middle
>>>layer in the wash test may not indicate an incomplete reaction, but
>>>rather excess soap production. Th

Re: [Biofuel] Great Collection of PDF files about farming, agriculture and more

[Chip Mefford]

doug swanson wrote:
> http://www.librum.us/pdfs/index.htm
> 
> Page contents:

Nice collection;

However,

First one I looked at

quote:


"All rights reserved. No part of this publication ma)
be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any
means, electronic or mechanical, including photocopy,
recording, or any information storage and retrieval
system, without the written permission of the
publisher."

and I found no such permission.





I've tried a couple of times to collect such a stack
of write ups, and format them as pdf and simple html v.1
and rollup a cd with an index, but at the end of the day,
if it isn't public domain, similarly free, you just
can't do it.

Can't as in, May not.

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Re: [Biofuel] Australia hands over man to US courts

[Chip Mefford]

Mike Weaver wrote:
> Go Linux
> 

Done went,

many many years ago.

and have never looked back.


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Re: [Biofuel] Any Diesel gurus put there?

[Mike Weaver]

It's possible.

I don't really know much about diesels - I mostly worked on gas engines 
way back.

The fule lines seem tight.

I'm going to run a solvent through the entire fuel system - maybe the 
injector is gummed up.

Thnaks for the responnce!

-Mike

A. Lawrence wrote:

>Any chance you've disturbed something and it's sucking some air now?? Go
>over the whole system carefully... Easier to pull in air than fuel...
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:28 PM
>Subject: [Biofuel] Any Diesel gurus put there?
>
>
>  
>
>>Greetings all,
>>
>>Left my 4.7 HP Changfa diesel outside in the shed through the winter and
>>now it won't start.
>>I left it with about 1/2 a tank of BD in it, and actually I did get it
>>to start and run twice as soon as the weather warmed up (this week).
>>It started with a fair amount of black smoke as it usually does then I
>>ran it for a few minutes and shut it off.
>>
>>Usually when diesels have a starting problem it's fuel delivery, so I
>>pulled the lines apart, cleaned everything including the injector.
>>I checked the spray pattern and it looks good.  I drained out all the
>>old BD and filled it with fresh petro diesel and cranked it until the
>>line filled up again.
>>
>>But, it won't start.
>>
>>So being an old hand at automotive diesels, I linked two 12 V batteries
>>in series to get 24 volts, which pretty much doubles the crankiing speed,
>>and cranked it until the engine got good and warm.
>>
>>As it is heating up I know it's firing some, but not enough to catch.  I
>>gave it a few shots of ether and that seems to bring it closer to
>>running, but I don't want to blow a hole in the piston.
>>
>>Right now it feels as if it will almost catch, but now quite.
>>
>>It produces a ton of white smoke, which usually means fuel delivery
>>problems, but it really does seem to be pumping enough fuel.
>>
>>I haven't really wrenched in years, but my guess is that the injector is
>>somehow messed up.
>>
>>BTW, the engine is new and has almost no hours on it.
>>
>>Any greybeards out there with advice?
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>Mike
>>
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Re: [Biofuel] graybearded diesel advice

[Mike Weaver]

Thanks - I'm looking for a manual now!

Roderick Roth wrote:

> Hi Mike
>  This definitly sounds like timing and certain diesels will drive the 
> mechanical fuel pump with a tapered collet. Since your engine is quite 
> new, I would suspect that the jam nut has either slightly loosened or 
> was not tight enough from the factory, allowing the pump to turn on 
> the taper slightly out of sync. Then it's quite possible for the pump 
> to lock itself again in the new position.
>  
>  This excact same thing happened on my 95 Dodge cummins . There is no 
> keyway on the shaft. Alighnment proceedure goes as follows: A) find 
> piston TDC on the power stroke, B) measure the injection plunger 
> height at its most high position and lock the fuel pump in that 
> position C) finally install the drive gear or sproket "what have you" 
> on the taper and lock it TIGHT with the jam-nut. Might be easier 
> for ya to get the exact instructions from the dealer or a local fuel 
> pump shop. Good luck!!  p.s. Dont forget to unlock the fuel pump LOL 
> b-4 cranking!!!
>  Swc. :)
>
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Re: [Biofuel] graybearded diesel advice

[Roderick Roth]

Hi Mike 
   This definitly sounds like timing and certain diesels will drive the 
mechanical fuel pump with a tapered collet. Since your engine is quite new, I 
would suspect that the jam nut has either slightly loosened or was not tight 
enough from the factory, allowing the pump to turn on the taper slightly out of 
sync. Then it's quite possible for the pump to lock itself again in the new 
position.
   
   This excact same thing happened on my 95 Dodge cummins . There is no keyway 
on the shaft. Alighnment proceedure goes as follows: A) find piston TDC on the 
power stroke, B) measure the injection plunger height at its most high position 
and lock the fuel pump in that position C) finally install the drive gear or 
sproket "what have you" on the taper and lock it TIGHT with the jam-nut. 
Might be easier for ya to get the exact instructions from the dealer or a local 
fuel pump shop. Good luck!!  p.s. Dont forget to unlock the fuel pump LOL b-4 
cranking!!! 
   Swc. :)



   
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