Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel New Process

[Trevon Kollars]

Looks like he is using high heat and pressure as the
aid in the process and apparently a lot of methanol.
This doesn't look like a homebrewer's use but someone
with a controlled lab might be able to do it.  And
possibly someone who has a little more money.


--- Christopher  Jacqueline Tan
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 This website
 http://www.inet.hr/~jkuftine/en/biodizel.htm
 features a so
 called 'New Process but, frankly, I can't see
 anything new about their
 process and it doesn't seem to make any sense.
 
 Anyone care to comment?
 
 Thanks
 Chris
 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] NSA and Windows connection

[Trevon Kollars]

WARNING!!
  DO NOT remove this from your system.  It will ruin your many programs that 
require API services.  It is a crosstalk device and allows programs to 
interface and react together.
  Here is a short link for what it is.  Please, becareful about what you read.  
Most internet letters are scams to get people to do things with out the 
problems of creating viruses.  Lately, viruses are not the biggest problem but 
rather the email hoaxes going around.
   
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win32
  

Frank Navarrete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Looks like the link to remove the second key has been disabled.  Any way to 
see those instructions?

  On 1/15/07, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   
  
  http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/5/5263/1.html

How NSA access was built into Windows  Duncan Campbell 04.09.1999
  Careless mistake reveals subversion of Windows by NSA.A CARELESS 
mistake by Microsoft programmers has revealed that special access codes 
prepared by the US National Security Agency have been secretly built into 
Windows. The NSA access system is built into every version of the Windows 
operating system now in use, except early releases of Windows 95 (and its 
predecessors). The discovery comes close on the heels of the revelations 
earlier this year that another US software giant, Lotus, had built an NSA help 
information trapdoor into its Notes system, and that security functions on 
other software systems had been deliberately crippled. 
  The first discovery of the new NSA access system was made two years ago by 
British researcher Dr Nicko van Someren. But it was only a few weeks ago when a 
second researcher rediscovered the access system. With it, he found the 
evidence linking it to NSA. 
  Computer security specialists have been aware for two years that unusual 
features are contained inside a standard Windows software driver used for 
security and encryption functions. The driver, called ADVAPI.DLL , enables and 
controls a range of security functions. If you use Windows, you will find it in 
the C:\Windows\system directory of your computer. 
  ADVAPI.DLL works closely with Microsoft Internet Explorer, but will only run 
crypographic functions that the US governments allows Microsoft to export. That 
information is bad enough news, from a European point of view. Now, it turns 
out that ADVAPI will run special programmes inserted and controlled by NSA. As 
yet, no-one knows what these programmes are, or what they do. 
  Dr Nicko van Someren reported at last year's Crypto 98 conference that he had 
disassembled the ADVADPI driver. He found it contained two different keys. One 
was used by Microsoft to control the cryptographic functions enabled in 
Windows, in compliance with US export regulations. But the reason for building 
in a second key, or who owned it, remained a mystery. 
  A second key   Two weeks ago, a US security company came up with conclusive 
evidence that the second key belongs to NSA. Like Dr van Someren, Andrew 
Fernandez, chief scientist with Cryptonym of Morrisville, North Carolina, had 
been probing the presence and significance of the two keys. Then he checked the 
latest Service Pack release for Windows NT4, Service Pack 5. He found that 
Microsoft's developers had failed to remove or strip the debugging symbols 
used to test this software before they released it. Inside the code were the 
labels for the two keys. One was called KEY. The other was called NSAKEY. 
  Fernandes reported his re-discovery of the two CAPI keys, and their secret 
meaning, to Advances in Cryptology, Crypto'99 conference held in Santa 
Barbara. According to those present at the conference, Windows developers 
attending the conference did not deny that the NSA key was built into their 
software. But they refused to talk about what the key did, or why it had been 
put there without users' knowledge. 
  A third key?!   But according to two witnesses attending the conference, even 
Microsoft's top crypto programmers were astonished to learn that the version of 
ADVAPI.DLL shipping with Windows 2000 contains not two, but three keys. Brian 
LaMachia, head of CAPI development at Microsoft was stunned to learn of these 
discoveries, by outsiders. The latest discovery by Dr van Someren is based on 
advanced search methods which test and report on the entropy of programming 
code. 
  Within the Microsoft organisation, access to Windows source code is said to 
be highly compartmentalized, making it easy for modifications to be inserted 
without the knowledge of even the respective product managers. 
  Researchers are divided about whether the NSA key could be intended to let US 
government users of Windows run classified cryptosystems on their machines or 
whether it is intended to open up anyone's and everyone's Windows computer to 
intelligence gathering techniques deployed by NSA's burgeoning corps of 
information warriors. 
  According to Fernandez of Cryptonym, the result 

Re: [Biofuel] turbocharged vs supercharged diesels

[Trevon Kollars]

Good point Keith...

Now that I am back on shore, I am looking for the pictures of the big block and small blocks that I have rebuilt, Robert.

Anyhoo, I am looking for the old "wind-up" flashlights and little gadgets of that sort. Anyone know of where (a website) to find these? 


Thanks

TKKeith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Anyway, I am sorry if I have cause hate and discontent.I think you're misunderstanding. Calling you into accountability foraccuracy does NOT imply hatred or discontent. Please be careful withyour facts in the future!snipNo need to be careful just to inspire.Yes there is. It takes both otherwise you'll mislead. Or you've come to the wrong place.Keith AddisonHere is a clip for Smokey if you're interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wi ki/Smokey_YunickA little bit on the carburetor for the lamen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ CarburetorEven though he liked to "cheat", I like him because of his vision and application, which is
 why I said "I hope this inspired someone". I find that knowledge is not gained to its full extent unless you do the research yourself and have to dig to find it. The drive! The willing to learn! I guess I spent too much time as an instructor/facilitator. No need to be careful just to inspire.robert luis rabello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Trevon Kollars wrote:  I was being sarcastic here. Sorry. I was referring to the fact there  isn't very many supercharged diesels out there. The only difference  (efficiency wise) between a turbo and a supercharger is the psi and  speed at which it will produce it.My supercharger is about 15% LESS efficient than a turbo. Most ofthat inefficiency is expressed as heat.  Sorry, Robert, if I have  insulted your intelligence in some way.No sir, you're not insulting
 me.  Anyway, I am sorry if I have cause hate and discontent.I think you're misunderstanding. Calling you into accountability foraccuracy does NOT imply hatred or discontent. Please be careful withyour facts in the future!robert luis rabello"The Edge of Justice"Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
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Re: [Biofuel] turbocharged vs supercharged diesels

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I was being sarcastic here. Sorry. I was referring to the fact there isn't very many supercharged diesels out there. The only difference (efficiency wise) between a turbo and a supercharger is the psi and speed at which it will produce it. Superchargers are usually slower at speed then the turbos which can range in the 100,000 rpms. Believe it or not but they tend to heat the air more than turbos even though turbos use the hot exhaust to turn. Superchargers use the crankshaft belt and can be turned on when you need it.
I guess my post has caused a lot of commotion. Sorry, Robert, if I have insulted your intelligence in some way. Smokey Yunick is almost a god in the engine world. I was talking about his attempt to get more out of his engine by experimenting with vapor carbs and engine efficiency and I guess I made you mad over it. I too have done some experimenting with the 350 and even 1.9L VW engines. There are so many things you can do to an engine to get it to perform well, it is almost unbelievable. Anyway, I am sorry if I have cause hate and discontent.Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to make the diesel even better... turbo the hell out of it but do notput a supercharger on it.This was in another thread going off another direction. But myquestion is, why not supercharge a diesel engine. There must be somereason, because you don't seem them too often (we have a supercharged2 cycle 2 cylinder direction injection diesel engine in a 1953bulldozer, but aside from that I haven't seen one). Is it just thatit is higher efficiency to use the heat of exhaust gases that would bewasted anyway, vs taking HP off the crankshaft to run a compressor? But there is a big advantage in materials to a supercharger in that itdoesn't have to withstand the heat of the exhaust and go throughcooldown after working hard to avoid seizing the bearings, and I wouldthink engine manufacturers would sieze on any cheaper way to get
 morepower out of a diesel (since everyone in the US thinks they areslow...).I have no problem with turbodiesels, just wondering why that designwon out over supercharging.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] turbocharged vs supercharged diesels

[Trevon Kollars]

Here is a clip for Smokey if you're interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smokey_Yunick
A little bit on the carburetor for the lamen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carburetor
Even though he liked to "cheat", I like him because of his vision and application, which is why I said "I hope this inspired someone". I find that knowledge is not gained to its full extent unless you do the research yourself and have to dig to find it. The drive! The willing to learn! I guess I spent too much time as an instructor/facilitator. No need to be careful just to inspire.robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Trevon Kollars wrote: I was being sarcastic here. Sorry. I was referring to the fact there  isn't very many supercharged diesels out there. The only difference  (efficiency wise) between a turbo and a supercharger is the psi and  speed at which it will produce it. My supercharger is about 15% LESS efficient than a turbo. Most of that inefficiency is expressed as heat. Sorry, Robert, if I have  insulted your intelligence in some way.No sir, you're not insulting me. Anyway, I am sorry if I have cause hate and discontent.I think you're misunderstanding. Calling you into accountability for accuracy does NOT imply hatred or discontent. Please be careful with your facts in the future!robert luis rabello"The Edge of Justice"Adventure for Your
 Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Ch 7 10PM News out of Boise

[Trevon Kollars]

Actually, the Chevy 350 has three variants; Small Block, Big Block, and the Blue Print (which isreally a 355).
The "rumors" of the 200 mpg and such are somewhat true. The small block 350 was able to run at 110 mpg on heated gasoline. The fuel was vaporized priorto entering the carb. The big block was able to run at around 80 mpg with the same apparatus. The problem was that the engines were not in a vehicle but in a test stand and actual numbers were not verified.
Smokey Yunick spent years working on a design and it was superseded by fuel injection which did thesame thing but mechanically.Gasoline can be vaporized just by pressure in much the same way an aerosol paint can works. Liquid to vapor by pressure. This works at optimum temp by try and start it cold and you won't get very far.
The propane and methane work but do not have the energy of gasoline or diesel for that matter. The best vapor to use is atomized gas with an injection of hydrogen. This will give you the best burn in a NA engine. You can supercool the air in the cylinder but you don't want to cool the intake. Cooling the cylinder will increase density but cooling the intake with create poor mixing, however, not the case with fuel injection. I don't want to get into the technical run-on the makes my wife's eyes glaze over and drool ooze out of her mouth, but lets say the atmosphere in the cylinder has to be more dense than the atmosphere outside... Compression! Diesel runs on this aspect. The old cotton ball in the syringe experiment. The more compression, the better the burn and bigger bang! Resulting in betterhp and efficiency.
You are right that the diesel will out perform the gasoline any day. Diesel is more efficient than gasoline but it is dirtier, that is the major reason that we don't have more diesels around. To give you an inside on the diesel... to make the diesel even better... turbo the hell out of it but do not put a supercharger on it. The more air the engine can pack in the better bang you will get and less diesel you will have to use. If you have a newer diesel vehicle with ECU and computer management controls that auto adjust the mixture, then you wont have to worry about adjusting manually.

Hope this inspired someone!

TKrobert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jerry Eyers wrote: Not to knock everyone who has responded so far, but such items do exist,  although I don't believe 300 has been achieved, but there are documented  cases of big block 350's getting over 200mpg.Documented by whom? (By the way, a 350 is a small block.) Under what test conditions? The process involves replacing the standard carb with a vapor only carb (like a  propane one) then pre-heating your fuel to a vapor, and feeding the  vapor.I have a lot of experience running gaseous fuels in engines, and NEVER have I seen any evidence that a fully vaporized fuel (such as propane or methane) can attain higher efficiencies than a fuel injected liquid fueled engine. (Though it is true that certain gases, hydrogen for example, can run leaner than gasoline. However, the difference in
 economy is incremental.) The calorific value of gaseous fuels is generally LESS than that of liquid fuels because they are not as dense, yet the fuel economy remains proportional to the overall energy available for combustion.To put it simply, vaporizing gasoline will not magically enhance fuel economy. Among some people, there remains a persistent myth that liquid fueled internal combustion engines are incapable of fully burning a fuel load. People who believe this insist that the vast majority of the air / fuel mixture leaving a combustion chamber is unburned, yet this is simply NOT true! That said, I don't know of ANY that have worked with diesel engines,  only straight gas. A diesel engine will outperform a gasoline engine by virtue of higher compression pressure and the lack of a throttle, which considerably reduces pumping losses. In addition, diesel fuel contains more energy than
 gasoline.robert luis rabello"The Edge of Justice"Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] engine swapping /was Debatable statement?

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The VW diesel is fine, however, it was notdesigned for high rpms. Thisengine was designed with the concept of high milage, low noise, and low vibration, hence the low rpm's.The rpm range isgoing to be around 4150 at 60 mph with the MG tranny.The tranny is fine. It will handle just about anything you throw at it with this engine. The high rpms is a problem for the engine though. You can keep the tranny for ease of swap and to avoid the headache of the Hienze 57 syndrome, and regear the differential. This is sometimes cheaper and you can usually get the highway speeds you would like. The only problem is the availability of a ring and pinion set for the differential or themachinist needed to make one.
Hope this gives ideas or inspiration in the right direction.

TK
 bob allen wrote:here is an engine swapping question for someone with more expertise thanme (easily done);I can get a nicely redone 79 (?) mg midget without an engine. A guyapparently did a restoration job, then blew the engine. I hadconsidered putting a vw diesel in it. My mechanic said he couldmanufacture the motor mounts/ do the install, but we have to go with themg tranny, a four speed. After further discussions I asked what hethough the engine rpm would be with this combination at 60 mph. Heguessed abut 4000 rpm, which seems cranked up way to tight. I thenthough about a datsun/isuzu (if i could even find one) withtransmission, but I fear this combination will be too heavy. anythoughts?
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Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?

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This is my area of expertise... If you want to swap an engine, first be sure that you really want to. The reason is there are "consecuences" to a swap. You will lose in one area and gain in another or you may lose all together. The trick is finding an engine the will "fit" the car. Most cars are designed around the person these days and cars of old were designed around the motor. What you need to know is the weight the chasis can handle, the handling characteristics (suspension designed to handle), and the gearing/rpm ratio. Lets say you want to make your 2002 TDI pull a trailer weighing 2tons. You want to swap your little squirrel for a bear and put a 6.2L cummins diesel in it. First, will it fit? Second, is it too heavy?Third, is it practical? Will this 6.2L be as versitle as the 1.9L? If I want to drive to the grocery store just for groceries later on, will it be worth having the "bear".
You will also have to worry about the transmission. Will I need to change the transmission as well? Now you may have extra cost that you really don't need. Plus, the weekend engine swap just turned into a month long project.
I learned this the hard way. I wanted to swap my Vanagon engine with a Passat VR6. Love my van but not to fond of the low power engine. It is a good swap but I will sacrifice space, having to raise the deck lid up 3 inches and I will no longer be able to use the foldout bed. The weight changes, meaning I will have to beef up the suspension in the rear. The good part is that I am able to get an adapter plate for the transmission and use the same gearing. If I do this, I will be gaining 110 hp and 10 more mpg in the city. The thing that is stopping me now is the price, over $2000.

Hope this helps with your decision.

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I have a chipped and modified 2002 TDI. It's really two cars. If I shift before about 1800 rpm it gets 44-50 mpg, if I stomp itand race around it's like a VR6. It flies, but the mileage drops to high 30's. It easily goes 100 mph+.Greg and April wrote:I don't think that the transmission was optimized for fast acceleration,that little 4 banger diesel with only about 85 Hp is only capable of somuch. The transmission is geared so low, that it doesn't take any effortto start from a dead stop in 2nd gear if necessary.Greg H.- Original Message - From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 14:55Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement? H.
 Are you sure you want to get that applied? The academics willbe appalled. :)I am doing that right now with a VW rabbit, and I have settled on aSVO engine, vs an electric motor (with renewable energy to charge thebatteries). The size and design of the engine is more dictacted bywhat is available, rather than what would be ideal. Same with thetransmission. Luckily there are different transmission options thatfit this vehical, so I can choose one which will be more efficientwith the diesel engine than the stock transmission which was optimizedfor fast acceleration. This will not be the ideal solution basedsoley on engineering -- but it the one that is the best I can come upnow with based on the constraints of finances, DOT regulations, fuelavailability and characteristics, and a commute with lots of
 elevationchangeOn 9/15/05, Greg and April <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Ok, given the same vehicle ( and about the same weight ), how does one go about picking a replacement engine and perhaps the replacing thetransmission as well?The reason I ask, is that I would like to replace the engine I have with a better engine, but, I don't want to over power.Greg H.
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Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?

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I agree with Taryn. I am to the point where I am going to be making my own vehicles. The automotive industry is regressing instead of progressing in the ecological responsibility. However, people want better, more attractive, faster "luxury" cars, so the industry is catering to this just to make more money. Everyone wants money and don't care about the environment. I have been studying electronics, fuels, and aerodynamics just to find a way to make a car "self-sustaining". Never refuel {won't need fuel}. I am trying to get myself to self-sustainablility as well. Grow my own food and produce my own power, etc.

Wish me luck!

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Hi Zeke,On Sep 15, 2005, at 5:59 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: ... Even the new hybrids get lousy gas mileage, because the hybrid design is optimized for adding power, not increasing mileage like the insight and prius were. ...Oh man, this just burns my a*s. I was so excited a few years ago when we started hearing the rumblings about hybrids from american automakers and lexus, et al. Then to discover that the electrics were being coupled to gas engines to add acceleration, not to improve overall performance and efficiency. It's disgusting to think that they're strapping a half ton of batteries and electrics to some mondo SUV, betting that the american buyer just wants another second shaved off the 1/4 mile times. Sometimes I just hate the priorities of my countrymen.And they're all gasoline powered!
 The only way to get a diesel electric hybrid in this country is to build it yourself. I swear, before, I'm dead, I'm going to build a solar-svo-diesel-electric-regenerative hybrid out of some old school bus or airport shuttle!Tarynhttp://ornae.com/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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