Re: [Biofuel] So called magnetic fuel conditioners
I use the Fuel Meiser recommended by Hakan's website; the bigger one made for V8's for my V6. I get ~1.5-2 more miles per gallon. Lillie ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] NAIS
Bells whistles to make it look like Mad Cow is caught somewhere. A way for the meat industry to shed blame on nature and away from themselves, IMHO. These people are smart, forward thinking and always have the government on their side. Lillie - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:44 AM Subject: [Biofuel] NAIS The only possible logic I can see for this is for tracking mad cow disease. However, it would be simpler to just stop feeding cattle other bits of cattle. But the the beef industry doesn't want that. Chipped chickens? Creamed chipped beef on toast? Yeesh. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Thanks list but my ISP must be bouncing my messages
Maybe if I post the ISP will notice I participate once in a while. I want to thank the list because it put me onto www.notmilk.com and it saved my life. Now, about a year later I am feeling 10 years younger and am moving on to Raw Food Vegan. I don't like being known as a lurker but a learner. Lillie ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Thanks list and my ISP must be bouncing my messages
Maybe if I post the ISP will notice I participate once in a while. I want to thank the list because it put me onto www.notmilk.com and it saved my life. Now, about a year later I am feeling 10 years younger and am moving on to Raw Food Vegan. I don't like being known as a lurker but a learner. Lillie ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Organic Food Standards have been greatly lowered in the US
It gets worse... http://www.organicconsumers.org/sos/weaken102705.cfm Congress Rams Through OTA Sneak Attack on Organic Standards Despite Massive Consumer Opposition NEWS RELEASE For immediate releaseOctober 27, 2005 Contact: Ronnie Cummins, 218-226-4164, Organic Consumers Association Congress Votes to Weaken Organic Standards Despite Widespread ConsumerOpposition Changes Were Sought by Large-Scale Food Processors to Cut Costs of Meeting Current Law. WASHINGTON Congress voted yesterday to weaken the nation's organic food standards in response to pressure from large-scale food manufacturers. The Organic Trade Association (OTA) and food processors have been pressing Congress to change the Organic Foods Production Act (OFPA) to allow for the use of numerous synthetic substances in products labeled "organic" and to weaken organic dairy standards. A recent court decision ruled that the OFPA does not allow synthetic (non-natural) ingredients to be used in foods labeled "organic" and that the act must ensure a strong standard under which dairy cows are converted to organic milk production. After rejecting efforts by members of the public interest and environmental community to reach an agreement on these issues, major food processors in the organic food industry, including Smucker's, Dean Foods, and Kraft, pushed Congress to "quietly" change the law to allow the use of such synthetic ingredients and potentially weaken the organic dairy standards. "Congress voted last night to weaken the national organic standards that consumers count on to preserve the integrity of the organic label," said Ronnie Cummins, National Director of the Organic Consumers Association.. "The process was profoundly undemocratic and the end result is a serious setback for the multi billion dollar alternative food and farming system that the organic community has so painstakingly built up over the past 35 years. The rider will take away the traditional role of the organic community and the National Organic Standards Board in monitoring and controling organic standards. Industry's stealth attack has unnecessarily damaged the standards that helped organic foods become the fastest growing sector in the food industry." As passed, the amendment sponsored by the Organic Trade Association allows: á Numerous synthetic food additives and processing aids, including over 500 food contact substances, to be used in organic foods without public review. á Young dairy cows to continue to be treated with antibiotics and fed genetically engineered feed prior to being converted to organic production. á Loopholes under which non-organic ingredients could be substituted for organic ingredients without any notification of the public based on "emergency decrees." The amendment was vigorously opposed by consumer, retail and growers groups, as well as public health and environmental groups, including National Cooperative Grocers Association, National Organic Coalition and Rural Advancement Foundation International USA, Beyond Pesticides, National Campaign for Sustainable Agriculture, Organic Consumers Association, and Consumers Union. Consumers sent more than 300,000 letters to Congress imploring members to stand up against industry's efforts to weaken the organic standards. In October 2002, just days after the rules governing organic under NOP were implemented, Maine blueberry farmer Arthur Harvey filed suit against USDA claiming that the USDA regulations governing foods labeled "organic" contravened several principles of the OFPA. Having initially lost on all counts, Harvey prevailed in January 2005 when the Court of Appeals ruled in his favor on the three counts finding: 1. Synthetic substances are not permitted in processing of items labeled as "organic," and only allowed in the "made with organic" labeling category.2. Provisions allowing up to 20-percent non-organic feed in the first nine months of a dairy herd's one-year conversion to organic production are not permitted.3. All exemptions for the use of non-organic products "not commercially available in organic form" must be reviewed by National Organic Standards Board, and certifiers must review the operator's attempt to source organic. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry
was indeed an idiot, me! We just used the standard 1040 form which does not allow for multiple taxing rates; you pay at the rate of the gross taxable income. I had never heard of being able to apply rates in stages, can you point me to the code that allows this? Perhaps next time we should consult an accountant! Lillie - Original Message - From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry Hey Lillie- Thanks for sharing the nice story about your taxes. But frankly, I don't see how it can be true. If it is, your accountant is either an idiot or a crook. Either that, or you're not telling the whole story. When you jump from one tax bracket to the next, only the amount over the cutoff is taxed at the higher rate. The amount under a specific cutoff is still taxed at the lower rate. There is no possible way that simply jumping a tax bracket due to an increase of $3000 in taxable income could result in an extra $6000 in tax liability. Perhaps an example is in order. Assume you made 56,000 dollars in taxable income last year. The first $14,000 is taxed at 10% and the amount over $14000 is taxed at 15%. This means you owe $1400 on the first $12k and $6300 on the next $42k for a total liability of $7700. Now assume you make an extra $3000 this year. Your taxable income increases to $59,000. You pay $1400 on the first $14k, $6420 on the next $42,800, and $550 on the amount over $56,800 for a total liability of $8370. In this example, an increase of $3000 in taxable income increases tax liability by $670, not $6000. Even in the worst possible case, $2999 taxed at 35%, the increase is only an additional tax burden of $1049.65. So either you're not telling the whole story, or you are getting ripped off, but there is no way that increasing your taxable income by $3000 increased your tax liability by $6000 simply by moving up one tax bracket. It just doesn't work that way. jh Lillie Bennett wrote: Not to mention the economic crash on GWB's watch! Ha. Ha. Ha. I just gotta tell my story: Bob and I saved for ten years, finally we had $18,000 in the savings collecting miniscule interest. An advisor put us on to a great annuity, paying 7% 1st year, 6% 2nd year and 5% the third year but after that the interest performance was just like the bank. We earned about $3,000 in 4 years. We decided the best investment opportunity now was land, we both always wanted some land. So be bought the land and cashed in on the annuity to help pay for it. We didn't mind paying the 10% early withdrawal tax. What we didn't realize was the extra $3,000 earnings put us into the next tax bracket and we owed $6,000 extra income tax. That's is a lot of money to cough up! Then we had to pay the penalty for not paying enough estimated tax! Not only did we loose the earnings but went another $3,000+ in the hole. We would have been better off leaving the money in the bank. There is only one reason I will vote for Bush, extra money in my pocket. Kerry is nothing but hollow promises and outright lies. It is guaranteed he will accelerate the US march into socialism. Socialist love to claim they can solve the world's problems I don't buy it, they haven't done it; even though most of the world is socialist! All they can do is blame the US for the world's problems; so be it. This is my opinion and I cannot prove it. Lillie - Original Message - From: Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry I wonder why nobody talks about that 9/11 hapened at GWB's wach !!! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry-socialism?
Lillie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry-socialism? : : There is only one reason I will vote for Bush, extra money in my pocket. That's the reason that people vote for Bush, and no other. The problem is that this is a flase belief. Real wages have gone down since Bush took office, and jobs have been lost. If you earn over $200,000 per year, you do have more money in your pocket. If you are like 99% of the country, chances are that you have lost ground. : Kerry is nothing but hollow promises and outright lies. Your basis for this? Bush lied to bring this country to war, and continues to lie about the reasons for it. What lies has Kerry told? This statement needs to be backed up with some evidence. It is guaranteed he : will accelerate the US march into socialism. Your basis for this gaurantee? Again, a baseless lie, this time reported as a gaurantee. Socialist love to claim they : can solve the world's problems I don't buy it, they haven't done it; even : though most of the world is socialist! Already addressed as a fallacy. All they can do is blame the US for : the world's problems; so be it. This is my opinion and I cannot prove it. Interesting, you make a gaurantee, then state that you cannot prove it. You've learned well from your President. State lies forcefully, then when challenged use smoke and mirrors. Do you think that the people on this board are foolish enough to buy it? : : Lillie : : - Original Message - : From: Friedrich Friesinger : To: : Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 7:00 PM : Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry : : : I wonder why nobody talks about that 9/11 hapened at GWB's wach !!! : Fritz : : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.779 / Virus Database: 526 - Release Date: 10/20/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry
I just gotta tell my story: Bob and I saved for ten years, finally we had $18,000 in the savings collecting miniscule interest. An advisor put us on to a great annuity, paying 7% 1st year, 6% 2nd year and 5% the third year but after that the interest performance was just like the bank. We earned about $3,000 in 4 years. We decided the best investment opportunity now was land, we both always wanted some land. So be bought the land and cashed in on the annuity to help pay for it. We didn't mind paying the 10% early withdrawal tax. What we didn't realize was the extra $3,000 earnings put us into the next tax bracket and we owed $6,000 extra income tax. That's is a lot of money to cough up! Then we had to pay the penalty for not paying enough estimated tax! Not only did we loose the earnings but went another $3,000+ in the hole. We would have been better off leaving the money in the bank. There is only one reason I will vote for Bush, extra money in my pocket. Kerry is nothing but hollow promises and outright lies. It is guaranteed he will accelerate the US march into socialism. Socialist love to claim they can solve the world's problems I don't buy it, they haven't done it; even though most of the world is socialist! All they can do is blame the US for the world's problems; so be it. This is my opinion and I cannot prove it. Lillie - Original Message - From: Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kids Opt for Kerry I wonder why nobody talks about that 9/11 hapened at GWB's wach !!! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / ScientistsagainstBush/U.S. can end oil use
receive. Lillie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Kyoto clears last hurdle / ScientistsagainstBush/U.S. can end oil use No, a VAT tax is a value-added tax, like a sales tax except that each business pays it on the value they add (sales minus purchases) so that there is no incentive for vertical intergration, and economic efficiency from specialization is maintained. The tax is also applied to imports. In Canada our GST (goods and services tax) works the same way. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Damian, Being from the USA (meaning ignorant grin), I would like more information on the VAT. I did a search and found a definition: http://www.eurunion.org/legislat/VATweb.htm#Definition From reading the link, I have made the assumption that if a person in Ireland purchases a pellet heating system that was manufactured in another member state (example- France), that person would have to pay a 21% VAT? But, if a person purchases a pellet heating system that was manufactured in their own country (Ireland), they don't have to pay the 21% VAT? Am I thinking correctly? Thanks, Ron B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] Re: THE HOT MOVIE
That's right Hakan. There is no doubt due to the flight regulations that ATC knew these were hijackings minutes after the aircraft changed course. One of the regulations specifies to transponder code 7500 (hijack code). Also, for a commercial airliner to change course without explanation spells a hijacking. They never, ever change course without ATC approval! These are instrument flight rules, the aircraft and ATC are in constant contact. The mystery then remains how long did it take for the information to reach the president, why were fighter jets scrambled 45 minutes after? Why did the president even play a lead role, jets should have been scrambled to receive instructions in flight. Washington DC has the most restricted airspace, yet penetration was allowed. I think the possibility that the US let this happen is quite HIGH but also the fat, lazy government bureaucrats have more blame than Bush but there is no responsibility there or anywhere in government, they all remain blameless. The movie is a good blessing if nothing more than to stir up the fat, lazy US citizens into questioning the behavior of their governments. Kerry will not bring any meaningful changes, no president can. It's time for revolt but that is unlikely since even the poor and homeless in the US are comfortable. We'll just have to sit back and watch the whole thing collapse under it's own weight. my 2 cents of opinion, Lillie - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: THE HOT MOVIE Greg, You are right in general terms, but to claim that it would be possible that any of the planes could crash where they crashed, because of any health problem, is still an impossibility. I have been sitting in the front seat and have a pilot license, even if it is for small planes. Had my own plane for 5 years, a Cessna 177 Cardinal, fully equipped. My PPL is history now, since I lost my right eye and will not pass medical or be able to do PFT. Remember that the crash sites are far away from where air liners were supposed to be and only that will immediately tell you that it could not be accidents. Air liners are flying under controlled conditions in assigned airways and are not allowed to leave them under almost any condition and certainly not without permission. All the planes in 911 were so far away from the airways, that it must have been deliberate and could not be accidents of any kind. So already the first plane that crashed into the twin tower, told the air control that it was a deliberate attack. I have a night rating and the second time after I got it, I was going from Falun in Sweden to Bromma airport during night. In my flight plan, I was flying under non controlled condition and would pass 1 km outside the control zone of Arlanda airport , instead I got 300 m inside and on about 20 km distance from the airport. I was immediately contacted on the radio about my mistake and when I landed at Bromma I was met by the control authority, to receive a reprimand and warning. I do not like to tell this story, because I know that we have more pilots on this list and they know how stupid I was. Both Manhattan and Pentagon are well inside control zones and the planes must also have been well observed long before they hit the targets. I cannot understand why the president should have been told that the first plane that went into WTC, could have been an accident. The public is not told the whole truth of what was going on, but if there were policies in place and resources in the air, the planes could have been shot down long before they hit the targets. As I been reading about it, all the planes flow for 10 to 20 minutes, after they left the air way, and could be determined to be a threat. I am surprised that the president were not advice of a potential situation, before it happened, and maybe we have an even greater story here. Also remember that they went down to low altitude and continued at that altitude. You are not really fair in your judgement, if you have the experience that you claim. It could not have been accidents and everybody involved knew that from the first crash, the president must have been informed of it already then or even before the crash. Hakan At 03:15 04/07/2004, you wrote: My point was, much like it was in my first post, he like many others in this nation thought at first it was an accident, but, you read in my post only what you wanted to read. It is true you do not know anything about aircraft, because actually, a pilot having a heart attack, could very well cause an aircraft to crash. Have you ever sat in the front seat, and flown an aircraft? I have, and I know it is possible. I also had a friend that died that way. The pilot had a heart
Re: Fuel-Meister/Monster Revisited was Re: [biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your own biodiesel
Ha Ha Ha, I'm sure there is some overhead and perhaps they are not selling that many. It was while I was checking them out and biodiesel in general that I stumbled onto JTF; they lost my business! Lillie - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 7:27 PM Subject: Fuel-Meister/Monster Revisited was Re: [biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your own biodiesel Chuck, There's no problem with any reviewer, save for those who are defficient in their powers of discernment. The problem(s) lay with principle, or the lack thereof - with the overly bloated price, its overly-hyped abilities and the fact that for a complete system it is grossly under-equipped. One should suppose that distributors such as yourself don't have a problem with selling overpriced merchandise as long as the customer's credit card clears? Let's get serious, because you certainly didn't the first time all this was pointed out back in February of this year. The primary parts inventory on this system consists of: 1) 110 gallon, conical bottom, closed-head, mixing tank - retailing at $208.00 1) Stand for same - retailing at $120.00 1) 18 gallon, conical bottom, closed-head, mixing tank - retailing at $62.00 1) Stand for same - retailing at $85.00 1) 1 clear water pump - retailing at $35.00 1 set) Miscellaneous reinforced poly tubing - retailing at $15.00 1 set) Miscellaneous valves, clamps fittings - retailing at $75.00 1) Junction box with cover plate, timer, switch and outlet - retailing at $17.00 Extraneous costs are: Incoming freight for tanks, stands and pump - $205.00 Welded pump and control box bracket - $25.00 Matching rust resistant paint - $2.75 Instruction pamphlet - $0.75 Crate - $35.00 Assembly time, 1.5 hours - $37.50 Total cost - ~$1,025.00 Now Chuck old boy, it's your turn to chime in with the percentage of each sale that you make as a distributor.[Gee..., I wonder why you don't fess up to being a distributor right off the bat?] Hm.., let's see.subtract perhaps 15% from the retail price of $3,000 and that still leaves $1,500 wiggle room. No wonder Rudi/Fuel-Meister/Chuck can afford to offer Free airline tickets with purchase. Then there are those minute little matters of limitted functionality, system incompleteness and gross over-representation No Chuck, about the only thing that has changed since this past February when you avoided the same facts is that the marketing text has changed a little... Turbine pump, eh? Closed loop vapor recovery, eh? Real-time, eh? Opposed to un-real time one can only suppose. Oh., did I forget to mention all the other costs that are born by the buyer after purchase just to get this over-priced, complete system functional? Drums, plumbing, pumps, filtration, insulation (You do believe in saving energy, don't you Chuck?), not to mention the fleecing of consumers for a $295 barrel heater when they can pay $130 plus freight at McMaster-Carr? Well, one thing is almost for certain. Shame and guilt aren't genetic traits that are predominant within the Fuel-Monster gene pool. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Chuck Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your own biodiesel I own a FuelMeister. It works great and is a well developed product. Rudi has been very helpfull. What is your problem? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] sound file: radio show interview: make your own biodiesel http://evworld.com/view.cfm?section=articlestoryid=687 You have to click on the Windows Media Player link. I am unable to make the real player link work, though that may be my setup. Once you start listening, there is about 1 minute of worthless music, and then the radio show begins. I'm listening to the interview now. I think the person interviewed has a web page here: http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/ Aarghhh! Rudi and his FuelMeister! And his website that's full of nonsense! I strongly urge a list archive search for FuelMeister, a thorough read of the results, and a ready supply of salt to apply to whatever Rudi might tell the radio. Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the
Re: [biofuel] Re: Running On Empty
I agree on everything but I don't see the US entering sustainability easily or willingly, especially from those on top reaping most of the profits. The high speed economy is their life blood and most importantly the government's! The US is keeping energy low cost for this very reason. The oil is going to have to run out and the prices to run up before major sustainable progress is to be made, I'm afraid. Of course it will have a large cost in lives and standard of living. I do have a small issue with the share of world resources facts. Those societies that have the most population are breeding out of control. They are starving, can't feed themselves but have enough energy to continue to make babies. You can't blame this on ignorance because hunger cannot be ignored. Therefore, these breeders can trump everyone else because they have the most people! Knowing this, these facts just do not make me feel guilty. The blame has to be shared. Lillie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Big and Bad: How The SUV ran over automotive safety
I do see many more very large Toyota (Land Cruiser Sequoia) and the new Nissan's Armada; boy does that name spell out the problem! Commercial traffic of all types and sizes is huge but the largest number are the smaller sedans. Many of what's being called SUV are the mini-Ute's and repackaged mini-vans. Lillie - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Big and Bad: How The SUV ran over automotive safety In addition to the other answers you've received, I will put in my two cents, which is that, in this rural part of Southern Arizona, I have looked around in a parking lot recently where it was hard to find too many cars. This helps bring to our attention the connection between the pickup trucks (of which one sees many) and the SUVs (of which one sees many). As to precisely which SUVs, that's hard to say, I don't pay overly much attention, but I think part of your experience may be based on what you've noticed and not what was there. Maybe now that we've had this conversation, you'll notice more? Another possibility I guess is a difference in vehicle-buying demographics between your area and our(s). I wonder, for those families with several vehicles (such as affluent parts of Baltimore or D.C.) if they put the larger SUVs away for a little, during a rise in fuel prices? On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 17:26:41 -0400, you wrote: I drive between Baltimore, MD and Washington, D.C. on 95 in some of the US's heaviest traffic every day to work. I see an Expedition maybe once a week and a Navigator maybe once a month. So I must ask, where are them all? Lillie - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Big and Bad: How The SUV ran over automotive safety http://www.gladwell.com/2004/2004_01_12_a_suv.html AP Hi Alan Thanks, I enjoyed that, learnt a lot - and about more than just SUVs. Good read. Regards Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Corporate ethics
How do you feel about outlawing all corporate contributions to all political parties and candidates, and limiting personal contributions to a reasonable amount, say US$1000 (I am presuming you are based in the U.S.) per election period per candidate? Oh, I'd vote for that in a second! It's dreaming though. Lillie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Perkins Engines on Biodiesel
Here is a response I got from Perkins Engines; I don't understand everything they said but am left with the feeling they aren't happy with biodiesel? This product bulletin has been produced in order to provide you with the latest information regarding the issuing of a Common Statement from Bosch, Stanadyne and Lucas FIE manufacturers. Bio diesel - R.M.E. fuel can be used in Perkins direct injection diesel engines. However, the following conditions apply: á The fuel must comply with DIN V 51606 (or other approved national standards as they evolve). á It can only be used in mixtures of up to 5% RME in mineral oil diesel fuel. No mixture above 5% is acceptable, as this can result in filter blocking. á Fuel storage must be to recommended standards, to avoid the absorption of water, and degradation. In any event, storage should not exceed 12 months. Fuel degradation, if allowed to occur, can result in the corrosion of metallic components, and the premature failure of seals. á RME is a powerful solvent. Damage may occur if it comes into contact with paint work. DISCLAIMER (Taken from the Common Position Statement) No legal liability can be accepted for failure attributable to operating products with fuels for which the products were not designed, and no warranties or representations are made as to the possible effects of running these products with such fuels. Non -compliance of the fuel to agreed standards, whether being evident by appearance of the known degradation products of these fuels, or their effects within the fuel injection equipment, will render the FIE manufacturer's guarantee null and void. If you require further information, please contact your Perkins Representative. Or follow this link : http://www.perkins.com/perkins/cda/articleDisplay/1,4094,7_2007_21235_32_7_10008001,00.html? Regards, Technical Support Centre Ref (SL) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 25/03/2004 00:11 Subject: Technical Support Request Form Perkins: Confidential Green Retain Until: 24/04/2004 Retention Category: G90 - Information and Reports First Name : Lillie Last Name : Bennett Address: Glen Burnie, USA Company Name : Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Serial Number : 903.7 Application: Agricultural Type : End User Distributor Name : Perkins Power North East Distributor Contact: Subject: biodiesel Information: Our application is a Landini 5860 tractor and we are wondering if the engine handles biodiesel well. Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Gas Prices Reach Record Highs
x-charset ISO-8859-1Let the gas prices go through the roof. As much as it will hurt it will also kick in the needed development for alternates. The low cost of fuel is the thing causing our US stagnation in development. Lillie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Notify about your e-mail account utilization.
x-charset ISO-8859-1That e-mail was a virus attack. Norton probably deleted the actual virus in the attachment but everybody on the list received the message. The message was worded to trick people into running the phony anti-virus software and then get infected. Lillie - Original Message - From: David Kwiatek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Notify about your e-mail account utilization. I do not understand. I have Norton anti virus and AdAware that I use to keep virus attacks out of my computer. I do not send out email to this group, I just read them. Please advise --- Frederick E. Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Oh God That's Funny!! At 08:10 PM 3/9/2004 +0100, you wrote: Dear user of Yahoogroups.com, Our antivirus software has detected a large ammount of viruses outgoing from your email account, you may use our free anti-virus tool to clean up your computer software. For more information see the attached file. For security reasons attached file is password protected. The password is 05125. Kind regards, The Yahoogroups.com team http://www.yahoogroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Click Here - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] global warming?
x-charset ISO-8859-1Would anybody care to debunk this article? http://www.techcentralstation.com/022404D.html Lillie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Weapons of Mass Deception
x-charset ISO-8859-1 THE FIX IS IN, At this point the winner is Scull and Bones (see the movie, available at rental stores) All the american electorate has left is a protest vote. maybe. I agree, the US Feds are very busy building a welfare/police state; what goes around comes around. Maybe all the other countries that the US owes money to should foreclose! Lillie p.s. not quite keeping up with all the reading plus list traffic but I'm trying! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn
x-charset ISO-8859-1Ok I don't know about it. If I knew what you knew, what should I do? Lillie - Original Message - From: jkolling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn Lillie Bennett wrote: We in the US are eating it. If it gets out into the wild the natural plants will be a crossbreed of the GM crops. the results are unoverseeable and potentially devastating. you obviously don't know much about plants and breeding them. there are biodynamic ways which will eliminate pesticide use etc also. yet obviously you don't know about it. GMO provides more yield without as much harmful pesticides and saves land area which allows more forests to consume any excess co2. backwards thinking again. eliminate the CO2 emissions first. Not by GM but by harmless energy, for whatever. I'm no expert but it sounds like a good thing. What's wrong with profit? Without it there would be no economy. In your next life, or in this life, please go live in Africa. And by the way, you have an extremely narrow view of what economy is. Lillie - Original Message - From: jkolling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn Lillie Bennett wrote: Like genetically modified food but the greens have killed that in Europe and forced Africa to comply, so they starve. Yeah, that's right, treat the symptoms by forcing out more profit and using poor and hungry people to try it on, because they are unresistant. Instead of eliminating the real reasons (rape of the country for all it resources for little, LITTLE money. Happy brainwashin day! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] GMO'S Was: Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn
x-charset ISO-8859-1Oh, I see, I thought the seeds could be purchased just like any other seeds. Lillie - Original Message - From: Curtis Sakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: [biofuel] GMO'S Was: Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn The problem with GMO's is that it allows food to be patented .. and slowly shuts out normally grown food away from the average joe. This puts the ownership of our world food supply ...into the hands of an elite few. The few who will have the power and authority to say now do your work ... if you wanna EAT... Curtis - Original Message - From: Lillie Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] We in the US are eating it. GMO provides more yield without as much harmful pesticides and saves land area which allows more forests to consume any excess co2. I'm no expert but it sounds like a good thing. What's wrong with profit? Without it there would be no economy. Lillie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] GMOs are Bad Bad Bad
x-charset ISO-8859-1I'm converted. Thank you Keith for putting all those links together. I'm enlightened but now so depressed :-( Lillie - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn Hello Lillie The point I was trying to make since I heard that admission, not my admission since I like to believe I have scruples, is that everyone with power wants more and anyone with money wants more; human nature. The top greens, the ones running the movement are just as corrupt as their enemies. Many believe global warming is a certainty but many others have doubts and have historical information that is more convincing to me than computer simulations. I'm a programmer and know very well that algorithms can be flawed and junk in means junk out. What does the UN have to gain, well they want to be the world government and they are certainly using scare tactics. They want to control you and me and have their hand in our pocket. The thing is, only God knows the absolute truth and when governments get powerful enough they become God on Earth but its always politics that wins. Politics poses as a struggle between right and wrong but it is actually about winning. The arrogance of humans is in everyone of us, we think we can overwhelm Mother Nature but are always wrong. Mother Nature can take care of herself. Now I believe science is the only thing that can save the world, science like making biodiesel. Like genetically modified food but the greens have killed that in Europe and forced Africa to comply, so they starve. Most human suffering is caused by the so called leadership. On and on it goes, but nobody knows the absolute truth; with humans it's always politics. Now where is all this hate coming from, some of these posts are reeking with hate. Lillie Re GMOs. Have you bothered to have a look at what 3rd World farmers themselves actually say about the GMOs the Monsantos et al in cahoots with their bought-off or pressured-off governments are trying to force down their throats? Broad-brushing the greens for discrediting an allegedly worthwhile technology is a stance that has no legs to support it, you're hanging precariously in very thin air. There's such an embarrassment of riches by way of counter-evidence to your view that I don't know where to start (other than to wonder why you didn't - start, that is). For one thing, GMOs do NOT increase yields (nor reduce pesticide use, rather they increase it), do NOT improve food security, and have little if anything to do with alleviating hunger. Here's a rare moment of honesty: The advice could scarcely have come from a more surprising source. If anyone tells you that GM is going to feed the world, Steve Smith, a director of the world's biggest biotechnology company, Novartis, insisted, tell them that it is not... To feed the world takes political and financial will - it's not about production and distribution. From: Biotech has bamboozled us all Studies suggest that traditional farming methods are still the best George Monbiot Guardian Thursday August 24, 2000 http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4054683,00.html See also: Bad for the Poor and Bad for Science, by Colin Tudge http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0220-09.htm See: GMOs Not Answer to Poverty/Hunger in Africa - New Study (Genetically Modified Crops and Sustainable Poverty Alleviation in Sub-Saharan Africa: An Assessment of Current Evidence, Aaron deGrassis) http://allafrica.com/stories/200306240443.html A new study released by Third World Network-Africa (www.twnafrica.org) offers new evidence against claims of the miracle potential of genetically modified crops for dealing with famine and poverty in Africa. After examining the impact of three genetically modified crops, sweet potato, maize and Bt cotton, on poverty alleviation in Africa it concluded that biotechnology does not address the real causes of poverty and hunger in Africa. Indeed it shows that biotechnology is an inappropriate method of agricultural innovation for poverty alleviation. More about this study: http://www.gmwatch.org/archive2.asp?arcid=1006 GMWatch.org Trade Wars and Media Campaigns - a powerful new analysis (27/6/2003) See GM Crops - Going Against the Grain: GM crops will not feed the world and could pose a considerable threat to poor farmers, warns a new report launched today by ActionAid. GM Crops - Going Against the Grain examines biotech companies' claims that genetically modified (GM) crops can tackle world hunger. The report is being submitted to the Government in advance of the UK public debate starting on 3 June. GM Crops - Going Against the Grain reveals that at best GM crops are irrelevant to poor farmers, at worst they threaten to push them deeper into debt, making
Re: [biofuel] America has gone super-sized
x-charset ISO-8859-1One point could be that at least you have the choice to walk or drive. If you don't have the choice you don't have that freedom. Lillie - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] America has gone super-sized Appal Energy wrote: Robert, Right. Only an idiot would walk in January in Des Moines to start with. Reckon' that would make idiots of us all who have walked all winter long, years on end, at latitudes further norte than that, eh? Indeed! My favorite winter walks occur when it's at least - 20 and the snow has a crunchy feel underfoot. When it's that cold, the air has an envigorating quality to it--as long as the wind isn't blowing! Some of my fondest memories are the 10 mile hikes home at day's end, scrambling over mountains of ice strewn over a 50 yard wide frozen river, or walking the forests on crusted snow six feet above ground for 20 or 30 miles on an Arctic night littered with blazing stars. I hear you! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn
x-charset ISO-8859-1The point I was trying to make since I heard that admission, not my admission since I like to believe I have scruples, is that everyone with power wants more and anyone with money wants more; human nature. The top greens, the ones running the movement are just as corrupt as their enemies. Many believe global warming is a certainty but many others have doubts and have historical information that is more convincing to me than computer simulations. I'm a programmer and know very well that algorithms can be flawed and junk in means junk out. What does the UN have to gain, well they want to be the world government and they are certainly using scare tactics. They want to control you and me and have their hand in our pocket. The thing is, only God knows the absolute truth and when governments get powerful enough they become God on Earth but its always politics that wins. Politics poses as a struggle between right and wrong but it is actually about winning. The arrogance of humans is in everyone of us, we think we can overwhelm Mother Nature but are always wrong. Mother Nature can take care of herself. Now I believe science is the only thing that can save the world, science like making biodiesel. Like genetically modified food but the greens have killed that in Europe and forced Africa to comply, so they starve. Most human suffering is caused by the so called leadership. On and on it goes, but nobody knows the absolute truth; with humans it's always politics. Now where is all this hate coming from, some of these posts are reeking with hate. Lillie - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn So you're justifying the continued existance of asbestos and lead in environments which children frequent? Or are you just saying that the risk is acceptable - that those children who have suffered irreversible damage from lead should be tallied as the cost of doing business? What I didn't here you say was anything about cumulative risk, either from a single point source or collective point sources, over any period of time. What's more? How is it that you would intend to justify the losses to those on the short end of your acceptable risk stick? And how acceptable would those losses be if you or your children were the recipients? Approaching the argument solely from the sales rep's angle is rather shallow. Not at all unusual, but none the less shallow. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Lillie Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn It works both ways folks. Here is a recent quote from someone in the business: Due to legislation that was heavily lobbied by companies like mine, laws were passed forcing schools to inspect and abate asbestos materials. I was one of the folks using scare tactics to startle mothers into thinking it's possible that their kids won't live to 12th grade unless they spend millions and millions to remove all the asbestos. Moms fell for it. Some schools raised taxes to pay for my work, others cut sports and busing to pay for it. The law required it, which makes great business sales. Meanwhile, according to NIOSH, a worker in an asbestos mill without using a respirator for 40 years has the same risk of getting lung cancer as a 1/2 pack a day smoker. Fact is, a kid was more likely to get killed on the playground or from lightening than die from exposure from asbestos pipe insulation in the basement. But I'm not going to play that angle, as it won't make me any money. Since 1988, I personally have made hundreds of thousands of dollars from asbestos regulations. Recently, I worked with a regulatory think tank to help develop regulations to inspect and abate lead- based paint from schools. You know, moms don't want lead-poisoned children! I figure once the regs pass, I'll be able to retire by age 45. Now, the world is full of people who get over on others, and those who think they are getting over on by others. But Darwin put it best, Survival of the fittest. If I can get richer, but at the expense of others ignorance or stupidity, I'll do it in a N'York minute. Money is money, adn as ling as I'm not breaking laws, it's a means to the end. If you feel paying the book rate for service hours while the tech does it actually work in less than half the time is unfair, well, welcome to the real world. It's the norm. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:09 PM Subject: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn Bush administration fudging data top scientists
Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn
x-charset ISO-8859-1We in the US are eating it. GMO provides more yield without as much harmful pesticides and saves land area which allows more forests to consume any excess co2. I'm no expert but it sounds like a good thing. What's wrong with profit? Without it there would be no economy. Lillie - Original Message - From: jkolling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 4:49 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn Lillie Bennett wrote: Like genetically modified food but the greens have killed that in Europe and forced Africa to comply, so they starve. Yeah, that's right, treat the symptoms by forcing out more profit and using poor and hungry people to try it on, because they are unresistant. Instead of eliminating the real reasons (rape of the country for all it resources for little, LITTLE money. Happy brainwashin day! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn
x-charset ISO-8859-1It works both ways folks. Here is a recent quote from someone in the business: Due to legislation that was heavily lobbied by companies like mine, laws were passed forcing schools to inspect and abate asbestos materials. I was one of the folks using scare tactics to startle mothers into thinking it's possible that their kids won't live to 12th grade unless they spend millions and millions to remove all the asbestos. Moms fell for it. Some schools raised taxes to pay for my work, others cut sports and busing to pay for it. The law required it, which makes great business sales. Meanwhile, according to NIOSH, a worker in an asbestos mill without using a respirator for 40 years has the same risk of getting lung cancer as a 1/2 pack a day smoker. Fact is, a kid was more likely to get killed on the playground or from lightening than die from exposure from asbestos pipe insulation in the basement. But I'm not going to play that angle, as it won't make me any money. Since 1988, I personally have made hundreds of thousands of dollars from asbestos regulations. Recently, I worked with a regulatory think tank to help develop regulations to inspect and abate lead- based paint from schools. You know, moms don't want lead-poisoned children! I figure once the regs pass, I'll be able to retire by age 45. Now, the world is full of people who get over on others, and those who think they are getting over on by others. But Darwin put it best, Survival of the fittest. If I can get richer, but at the expense of others ignorance or stupidity, I'll do it in a N'York minute. Money is money, adn as ling as I'm not breaking laws, it's a means to the end. If you feel paying the book rate for service hours while the tech does it actually work in less than half the time is unfair, well, welcome to the real world. It's the norm. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 12:09 PM Subject: [biofuel] Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn Bush administration fudging data top scientists warn By OLIVER MOOREGlobe and Mail Update Wednesday, Feb. 18, 2004 Twenty Nobel laureates are among the scores of scientists who on Wednesday accused the Bush administration of using dubious science to gain public support for its policies. In an open letter, the Union of Concerned Scientists charges that supposedly independent advisory panels have been manipulated to suppress or minimize findings contrary to the White House's political agenda. Russell Train, a Republican who served as EPA administrator under both Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, said that he never once felt any pressure from either of those presidents. But on Wednesday he told a conference call: how times have changed. Representatives of the group said that this manipulation has been done by appointing unqualified or biased people to the advisory panels, by disbanding some existing panels, by suppressing reports and by forgoing independent scientific advice. The concerns we raise here at not academic abstractions, said Kurt Gottfried, Cornell professor of physics and chairman of the UCS. The cavalier attitude toward science that has provoked us to speak out can produce tangible damage to the health, wellbeing and security of all of us, for generations to come. In some cases, another member of the group said, politicizing ostensibly neutral scientific advice can leave the public at great risk. One of the most egregious cases mentioned in the report was the issue of the panel on appropriate levels of mercury and lead in paint, and in the environment in general, said Neal Lane, a former director of the National Science Foundation and a former presidential science adviser. To appoint people who have clear conflicts of interest, because of their association with the paint industry, to panels that have to make difficult judgments on the scientific basis for limiting the amount of lead that is available in the environment, you could in fact do harm to hundreds of thousands of young people. The substance of the letter - which was signed by 60 prominent U.S. scientists, including Nobel Prize winners Steven Weinberg and James Cronin (physics) and Eric Kandel and Harold Varmus (biology) - was denied by the White House. I can assure you that this is an administration that makes decisions based on the best available science, Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan told Reuters. He also said that the Bush administration had worked on an independent peer review process to look at how science is used in regulatory decisions. Dr. Lane said that scientists understand that politicians must make their decisions based on any number of factors, not just the science, but he warned that efforts to fudge the data have gone so far that leading policy-makers simply don't know what they don't know. I've become increasingly concerned, even alarmed, by the Bush administration's actions to manipulate the
[biofuel] Newbe questions
x-charset ISO-8859-1I just discovered the wealth of information about biodiesel and am beside myself with excitement! There seems to be a large number of really smart people sharing their discoveries and I am very, very grateful. Thanks everyone! We don't have any diesel equipment yet but will be buying a tractor this spring. We have 75 acres of woods and will have plenty of room to do all kinds of stuff but it will take some time to get a retirement home built with an out building for processing. We will probably buy some commercial fuel at the start which will give us some nicely labeled storage tanks. I'd like to get diesel everything! I imagine that WVO can get very rank. How do people deal with that? What about the sludge that comes from prefiltering it; compost it, burn it or both? I bet we'll be buying the WVO in the future as more and more people get into this. It won't take donors long to realize they can not only get rid of the waste but recover some of their cost as well. With the Foolproof Method, is there any way to shorten the 3 week standing time for clarification with extra processing? Finally, what do people use to accurately measure larger quanties of the raw materials? Lillie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
