[Biofuel] (no subject)

2014-04-22 Thread Steve Racz
please unsubscribe this
___
Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list
Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel


[Biofuel] Diminishing Returns, Energy Return on Energy Invested, and Collapse

2013-12-10 Thread Steve Racz
http://ourfiniteworld.com/2013/12/06/diminishing-returns-energy-return-on-energy-invested-and-collapse/

[referenced figures and links are available from the source]

Diminishing Returns, Energy Return on Energy Invested, and Collapse

Posted on December 6, 2013 by Gail Tverberg

What do diminishing returns, energy return on energy invested (EROI or
EROEI), and collapse have to do with each other? Let me start by explaining
the connection between Diminishing Returns and Collapse.

Diminishing Returns and Collapse

We know that historically, many economies that have collapsed were ones
that have hit “diminishing returns” with respect to human labor–that is,
new workers added less production than existing workers were producing (on
average). For example, in an agricultural economy, available land might
already have as many farmers as the land can optimally use. Adding more
farmers might add a little more production–perhaps the new workers would
keep weeds down a bit better. But the amount of additional food the new
workers would produce would be less than what earlier workers were
producing, on average. If new workers were paid on the basis of their
additional food production, they would find that their wages dropped
relative to those of the original farmers.

Lack of good paying jobs for everyone leads to a need for workarounds of
various kinds. For example, swamp land might be drained to add more
farmland, or irrigation ditches might be added to increase the amount
produced per acre. Or the government might hire a larger army might to
conquer more territory. Joseph Tainter (1990) talks about this need for
workarounds as a need for greater “complexity.” In many cases, greater
complexity translates to a need for more government services to handle the
problems at hand.

Turchin and Nefedof (2009) in Secular Cycles took Tainter’s analysis a step
further,  analyzing financial data relating to historical collapses of
eight agricultural societies in operation between the years 30 B.C. E. and
1922 C. E.. Figure 1 shows my summary of the pattern they describe.

Figure 1. Shape of typical Secular Cycle, based on work of Peter Turkin and
Sergey Nefedov.

Typically, a civilization developed a new resource which increased food
availability, such as clearing a large plot of land of trees so that crops
could be planted, or irrigating an  existing plot of land. The economy
tended to expand for well over 100 years, as the population grew in size to
match the potential output of the new resource. Wages were relatively high.

Eventually, the civilization hit a period of stagflation, typically lasting
50 or 60 years, as the population hit the carrying capacity of the land,
and as additional workers did not add proportionately more output. When
this happened, the wages of common workers tended to stagnate or decrease,
resulting in increased wage disparity. The price of food tended to spike.
To counter these problems, the amount of government services rose, as did
the amount of debt.

Ultimately, what brought the civilizations down was the inability of
governments to collect enough taxes for expanded government services from
the increasingly impoverished citizens. Other factors played a role as
well–more resource wars, leading to more deaths; impoverished common
workers not being able to afford an adequate diet, so plagues were more
able to spread; overthrown or collapsing governments; and debt defaults.
Populations tended to die off.  Such collapses took place over a long
period, typically 20 to 50 years.

For those who are familiar with economic theory, the shape of the curve in
Figure 1 is very similar to the production function mentioned in Two Views
of our Current Economic and Energy Crisis. In fact, the three main phases
are the same as well. The issue in both cases is diminishing returns
ultimately leading to collapse.

There seems to be a parallel to the current world situation. The energy
resource that we learned to develop this time is fossil fuels, starting
with coal about 1800. World population was able to expand greatly because
of additional food production permitted by fossil fuels and because of
improvements in hygiene. A period of stagflation began in the 1970s, when
we first encountered problems with US oil production and spiking oil
prices.  Now, the question is whether we are approaching the Crisis Stage
as described by Turchin and Nefedov.

Why Might an Economy Collapse?

Let’s think about how an economy operates. It is built up from many parts,
over time. It includes one or more governments, together with the laws and
regulations they pass and together with their financial systems. It
includes businesses and consumers. It includes built infrastructure, such
as roads and electricity transmission lines. It even includes traditions
and customs, such as whether savings are held in gold jewelry or in banks,
and whether farms are inherited by the oldest son. As each new business is
formed, the owners make 

[Biofuel] NZ on track to miss targets by huge margin

2013-11-03 Thread Steve Racz
NZ on track to miss targets by huge margin, 28 Oct, 2013
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2013/10/28/policy-politics/nz-track-miss-targets-huge-margin


Climate
Policy  Politics

Reuters Point Carbon

New Zealand’s greenhouse gas emissions are set to rise nearly 50 per cent
by 2040, according to new government modelling, taking the country well off
course to meet its commitment to cut emissions in half by mid-century.*

A report from the ministry of environment showed the country’s net
emissions are expected to grow to nearly 90 million tonnes of CO2
equivalent in 2040 from current levels of around 60 million, while the
government target is to bring emissions down to 30 million tonnes by 2050.

“The trend in net emissions is dominated by our projections of emissions
and removals from forestry,” the report said.

A large number of CO2-absorbing trees planted in the country in the 1990s
are set to be harvested at the end of this decade, meaning overall
emissions are likely to rise throughout the 2020s, it added.

Asked by the Green Party in parliament about the projections on Wednesday,
Simon Bridges, associate minister for climate change, said emissions were
projected to rise because of current low carbon prices in the country’s
Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS).

Critics have said New Zealand’s carbon market is too weak to incentivise
forest-planting, with carbon prices so low that foresters make more profit
chopping down trees to sell the timber.

“We know that as we make progress in international (climate change)
negotiations, that carbon price will surely rise,” Bridges said.

“The emissions trading scheme is a long-term tool, and it is not hard to
imagine that with a good outcome on a new global agreement and leadership
from the major economies, we will need to adjust our own domestic policy
response, as well.”

Domestic emissions permits in the New Zealand ETS currently trade at
NZ$3.75 ($3.15), but companies are also allowed to comply by buying
U.N.-backed carbon credits, which are available for only 30 cents each.

The New Zealand government last year removed legislation that would have
forced big companies to pay for a bigger share of their emissions and
restrict access to international credits - both moves that would have
driven up carbon prices.

It also put on hold indefinitely including in the scheme emissions from
agriculture, which accounts for nearly 50 per cent of New Zealand’s
emissions.

“It is policy incoherence of this breath-taking dimension that wins us
fossil awards at the U.N. conferences – with Warsaw beckoning next month,”
said Greens MP Kennedy Graham on his blog on Wednesday.

He was referring to the infamous prizes awarded by green groups at U.N.
climate negotiations to the countries they deem to be failing to act to
tackle climate change.

The main annual meeting takes place next month in Poland, where countries
will be tasked with making progress towards a 2015 global pact to bind all
nations into curbing emissions from 2020.

A spokesman for Climate Change Minister Tim Groser told Reuters on Thursday
that the government had no plans to reform the nation’s carbon market.

He said government will continue to fund research on greenhouse gases from
food production.

“The Government is investing $45 million into the Global Research Alliance
on Greenhouse Gases, bringing together 40 countries to find ways to grow
more food without growing greenhouse gas emissions,” he added
___
Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list
Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel


[Biofuel] Buyers unmoved by Sandy's reclaimed wood

2013-09-22 Thread Steve Racz
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20130823/SMALLBIZ/130829952

Buyers unmoved by Sandy's reclaimed wood

Busted boardwalks and homes delivered tropical hardwoods and popular pine
to the reclamation market. But buyers are picky, and demolition crews know
one person's trash is another's gold.

BY JONATHAN BLUM
AUGUST 23, 2013 6:39 A.M.

Superstorm Sandy's swath of destruction shredded houses and boardwalks,
depositing a thicket of old timber onto the city's wood recycling market.
But making money from the newly available ancient timbers has proven to be
a grind.

We worked with the Parks Department initially on the boardwalk wood, said
Alan Solomon, partner at Sawkill Lumber, the Brooklyn-based reclaimed
lumber firm. We were able to save quite a bit of the tropical hardwood
there. But most of it was trashed. Overall, the market has been slow.

Firms that reclaim hardwood from city buildings and what could be saved
from Sandy are adapting to a market that has changed rapidly since
recycling old beams and boards came into the fore a decade or so ago, when
the wood was cheap to acquire and easy to sell to green-conscious
designers. The wood salvaged from Sandy has yet to translate into big
profits.

There was a time, five or 10 years ago, when trucks would pull up and just
ask to give us fabulous material, said Joseph Pepe, sales manager at M.
Fine Lumber, the Brooklyn-based lumber recycling and manufacturing firm.
The company would not disclose sales or revenues figures but said it's also
handling recycled Sandy material.

Now it's much more competitive, he said.

Bidding wars for trashed boards

The challenges salvage firms like M. Fine and Sawkill face begin with the
basics of procuring the material—that is, finding suitable material in old
buildings ready for demolition. Inventory in has been stubbornly lean since
the financial crash. There have been fewer transactions and construction
projects, and when buildings are dismantled, property owners and demolition
contractors are well-aware that their trash is another's gold.

We are bidding for every job against many other companies—that never used
to happen, said Larry Stopper, partner in Bigwood, the Naples, N.Y.-based
recycling firm that generates about a $1 million per year in sales of
reclaimed wood from deals done throughout Northeast, including pulling
material from the Brooklyn waterfront. And if you blow your estimates, you
are up the creek. You can very easily do a very large job for nothing.

Architects, interior designers and furniture makers have also become
increasingly selective about the species and quality of the material they
are willing to invest in, with each tree serving a niche.

Mr. Solomon said reclaimed yellow pine, the once predominant log in the
eastern U.S., sells for $5 per board foot. Oak and chestnut run $7.
Tropical hardwoods—found in the destroyed Rockaways boardwalk—sell for $10
to $20. European hardwoods imported for the city's original buildings sit
atop the market.

I have seen those go for $50 a foot, said Mr. Solomon.

Reclaimed hard wood is generally at least twice as expensive as boards
milled from timber forests. Companies buy the wood from demolition
contractor, then they must remove nails and other fasteners, mill, cut to
length, dry, and transport the finished wood to their customers. All of
which makes reclaimed lumber owners and managers choosy about which woods
they invest in. Bigwood's Mr. Stopper said the tropical hardwoods like
those found in the city's old boardwalks must compete with huge demand for
oak. Wood from Sandy also suffered damage from the sea. Some flood waters
contained fuel and other toxins.

It used to be we would try to turn everybody who came to us into a sale,
said Klaas Armster, partner in Sawkill Lumber. Eventually everything
sells, but now I have to be much more creative about which jobs we take.

In fact, the pricing pressure for reclaimed lumber has become so intense
that some local wood recyclers are giving up on sourcing material from the
New York metropolitan area.

The prices New York-sourced wood is asking are astronomical, said Vincent
Kaufmann, operations manager at LV Wood, a Manhattan-based reclaimed wood
retailer, whose eight employees handle 75,000 feet to 100,000 feet of wood
products monthly. I can get the exact same beams at a much more reasonable
price from dealers down south, he said. And the supply is much more
consistent.

Selling the story in the beams.

Eco-conscious customers value the story behind a boards: where it's from,
how old it is, and what the material was used for in its original life.
Bigwood handled the wood coming out of one of the first condom factories in
the U.S.

I don't know why, said Mr. Stopper, But it didn't matter what else I was
selling, everybody wanted a piece of the condom factory.

As compelling as Sandy's hurricane in one's house story might appear, its
tale has yet to translate into major sales.

When I consider the prospect for a 

[Biofuel] A New Deal for Appalachia’s Forests: Growing Biofuels?

2013-05-31 Thread Steve Racz
http://www.yesmagazine.org/new-economy/could-biofuels-mean-a-new-deal-for-appalachia-s-forests

A New Deal for Appalachia’s Forests: Growing Biofuels?

The mine-ravaged communities of Eastern Kentucky have been increasingly
abandoned by the coal economy. Could growing biofuels jumpstart a new local
jobs market—and renew the land in the process?


by Mark Andrew Boyer
posted May 31, 2013

Using valuable food crops like corn and sugar cane to produce biofuels has
been a highly controversial topic in the age of imminent food crises. But
nobody is growing corn on the former strip mines of Eastern Kentucky.

A look at the region on Google Earth shows a patchwork of bald spots in the
forested hills. Surface mining left its mark on the Appalachian landscape
through much of the 20th century, as large swaths of native forests were
replaced with sparse, scrubby grassland. But University of Kentucky
forestry professor Chris Barton sees in the compacted soil of old strip
mines the possibility of using former surface mine land for short-rotation
forestry—in order to produce fuel.

Here's how it would work: Fast-growing, native trees like black locust
could be grown and harvested every five to 10 years; then, the woodchips
would be burned in an oxygen-restricted condition to produce combustible
gases that in turn could be used to generate energy and heat. After a few
generations of short-rotation harvests, the land could be transitioned to a
long-term forest.

Barton is the founder of Green Forests Work, a nonprofit spin-off of the
Appalachian Regional Reforestation Initiative that seeks to reforest lands
scarred by mining with native trees—all the while helping to rebuild
struggling local economies.

These are what strip-mined hills look like. Photo courtesy of Gabe B.

A Conservation Corps for the 21st Century

When President Obama delivered his 2009 inauguration speech, he talked
about creating green jobs. A light bulb turned on for Barton. Realizing
that his reforestation initiative was a shovel-ready project that could
create jobs right away, Barton began thinking about approaching the federal
government for financial support.

Instead of depending on a single, monolithic employer to create jobs, Hall
would like to see people taking job creation into their own hands.

Surface mining strips away nutrient-rich topsoil and leaves a devastated
landscape that is prone to landslides and water contamination. With the
passage of the Surface Mining Control and Reclamation Act of 1977, mining
companies were required to stabilize the land when they were finished
mining in order to control erosion. But instead of merely stabilizing,
mining companies over-compacted more than 1 million acres of former surface
mines using bulldozers. This made it difficult for anything other than
grasses and other non-native vegetation to grow.

This is an environment that had over 100 species of vegetation prior to
the mining, explains Barton. And when you get out on the sites and look
down, it's not like looking at your yard and seeing lush grass carpeting;
you're going to see very sparse grass, and a lot of patchiness. Now, if
Barton's plan works, he hopes to undo some of that damage.

In 2009, inspired partly by President Obama's speech, Barton wrote up a
proposal for putting an army of people to work by rehabilitating lands that
had been ravaged by industrial machinery. For inspiration, he looked to the
Civilian Conservation Corps, a New Deal program launched during the Great
Depression to create jobs for the unemployed in conservation and natural
resources development. Barton's proposal requested federal funding for
workers to till the land, grow trees in nurseries, plant trees, and manage
the land. But then, just days after Barton submitted his proposal, White
House green jobs czar Van Jones resigned, and the prospect of securing
funding for Green Forests Work (GFW) quickly dimmed.

For now, Barton has decided to move forward with volunteer labor, using the
next year and a half to try to educate the public and raise support for the
program. Since GFW was launched in 2008, more than 5,000 volunteers have
planted nearly 1 million trees on former surface mine sites. And last year,
the program received a $300,000 grant, enabling Barton to add a couple
full-time staff members.

Life after coal: New economy, new mentality

Coal jobs are increasingly hard to come by in Eastern Kentucky, as the rise
of cheap natural gas and waning Chinese demand have led to thousands of
layoffs in Appalachian coal towns. GFW's Reforestation Coordinator, Nathan
Hall, is a ninth-generation Appalachian who was born and raised in the
coalfields of Eastern Kentucky.

Part of Hall's job involves finding local contractors who can loosen up
soil that has been compacted by mining equipment so that native trees can
grow on reclaimed surface mine land.

By itself, short-rotation forestry might not have the ability to revive
local economies across Appalachian states, but 

[Biofuel] Group Kicks off Planting of Ancient Tree Clones

2013-04-24 Thread Steve Racz
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20130422/us-replanting-redwoods/?utm_hp_ref=politicsir=politics

By JOHN FLESHER AP Environmental Writer
COPEMISH, Mich. April 22, 2013 (AP)

A team led by a nurseryman from northern Michigan and his sons has raced
against time for two decades, snipping branches from some of the world's
biggest and most durable trees with plans to produce clones that could
restore ancient forests and help fight climate change.

Now comes the most ambitious phase of the quest: getting the new trees into
the ground.

Ceremonial plantings of two dozen clones from California's mighty coastal
redwoods were taking place Monday in seven nations: Australia, New Zealand,
Great Britain, Ireland, Canada, Germany and the U.S.

Although measuring just 18-inches tall, the laboratory-produced trees are
genetic duplicates of three giants that were cut down in northern
California more than a century ago. Remarkably, shoots still emerge from
the stumps, including one known as the Fieldbrook Stump near McKinleyville,
which measures 35 feet in diameter. It's believed to be about 4,000 years
old. The tree was about 40 stories high before it was felled.

This is a first step toward mass production, said David Milarch,
co-founder of Archangel Ancient Tree Archive, a nonprofit group
spearheading the project. We need to reforest the planet; it's imperative.
To do that, it just makes sense to use the largest, oldest, most iconic
trees that ever lived.

Milarch and his sons Jared and Jake, who have a family-owned nursery in the
village of Copemish, Mich., became concerned about the condition of the
world's forests in the 1990s. They began crisscrossing the U.S. in search
of champion trees that have lived hundreds or even thousands of years,
convinced that superior genes enabled them to outlast others of their
species. Scientific opinion varies on whether that's true, with skeptics
saying the survivors may simply have been lucky.

The Archangel leaders say they're out to prove the doubters wrong. They've
developed several methods of producing genetic copies from cuttings,
including placing branch tips less than an inch long in baby food jars
containing nutrients and hormones. The specimens are cultivated in labs
until large enough to be planted.

In recent years, they have focused on towering sequoias and redwoods,
considering them best suited to absorb massive volumes of carbon dioxide,
the greenhouse gas primarily responsible for climate change.

If we get enough of these trees out there, we'll make a difference, said
Jared Milarch, the group's executive director.

Archangel has an inventory of several thousand clones in various stages of
growth that were taken from more than 70 redwoods and giant sequoias. NASA
engineer Steve Craft, who helped arrange for David Milarch to address an
agency gathering, said research shows that those species hold much more
carbon than other varieties.

The challenge is to find places to put the trees, people to nurture them
and money to continue the project, Jared Milarch said. The group is funded
through donations and doesn't charge for its clones.

A lot of trees will be planted by a lot of groups on Arbor Day, but 90
percent of them will die, David Milarch said. It's a feel-good thing. You
can't plant trees and walk away and expect them to take care of themselves.

The recipients of Archangel redwoods have pledged to care for them
properly, he said. The first planting of about 250 took place in December
on a ranch near Port Orford, Ore. Others were being planted during Earth
Day observances Monday at the College of Marin in Kentwood, Calif., and in
parks and private estates in the other six countries.

I know the trees will thrive here, said Tom Burke, landscape manager at
the College of Marin. We've had redwoods in this area since God planted
them.

———

Online: http://www.ancienttreearchive.org
___
Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list
Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org
http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel


[Biofuel] Why Trees Matter

2013-04-09 Thread Steve Racz
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/12/opinion/why-trees-matter.html?_r=0

Why Trees Matter

By JIM ROBBINS

Published: April 11, 2012

Helena, Mont.

TREES are on the front lines of our changing climate. And when the oldest
trees in the world suddenly start dying, it’s time to pay attention.

North America’s ancient alpine bristlecone forests are falling victim to a
voracious beetle and an Asian fungus. In Texas, a prolonged drought killed
more than five million urban shade trees last year and an additional
half-billion trees in parks and forests. In the Amazon, two severe droughts
have killed billions more.

The common factor has been hotter, drier weather.

We have underestimated the importance of trees. They are not merely
pleasant sources of shade but a potentially major answer to some of our
most pressing environmental problems. We take them for granted, but they
are a near miracle. In a bit of natural alchemy called photosynthesis, for
example, trees turn one of the seemingly most insubstantial things of all —
sunlight — into food for insects, wildlife and people, and use it to create
shade, beauty and wood for fuel, furniture and homes.

For all of that, the unbroken forest that once covered much of the
continent is now shot through with holes.

Humans have cut down the biggest and best trees and left the runts behind.
What does that mean for the genetic fitness of our forests? No one knows
for sure, for trees and forests are poorly understood on almost all levels.
“It’s embarrassing how little we know,” one eminent redwood researcher told
me.

What we do know, however, suggests that what trees do is essential though
often not obvious. Decades ago, Katsuhiko Matsunaga, a marine chemist at
Hokkaido University in Japan, discovered that when tree leaves decompose,
they leach acids into the ocean that help fertilize plankton. When plankton
thrive, so does the rest of the food chain. In a campaign called Forests
Are Lovers of the Sea, fishermen have replanted forests along coasts and
rivers to bring back fish and oyster stocks. And they have returned.

Trees are nature’s water filters, capable of cleaning up the most toxic
wastes, including explosives, solvents and organic wastes, largely through
a dense community of microbes around the tree’s roots that clean water in
exchange for nutrients, a process known as phytoremediation. Tree leaves
also filter air pollution. A 2008 study by researchers at Columbia
University found that more trees in urban neighborhoods correlate with a
lower incidence of asthma.

In Japan, researchers have long studied what they call “forest bathing.” A
walk in the woods, they say, reduces the level of stress chemicals in the
body and increases natural killer cells in the immune system, which fight
tumors and viruses. Studies in inner cities show that anxiety, depression
and even crime are lower in a landscaped environment.

Trees also release vast clouds of beneficial chemicals. On a large scale,
some of these aerosols appear to help regulate the climate; others are
anti-bacterial, anti-fungal and anti-viral. We need to learn much more
about the role these chemicals play in nature. One of these substances,
taxane, from the Pacific yew tree, has become a powerful treatment for
breast and other cancers. Aspirin’s active ingredient comes from willows.

Trees are greatly underutilized as an eco-technology. “Working trees” could
absorb some of the excess phosphorus and nitrogen that run off farm fields
and help heal the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico. In Africa, millions of
acres of parched land have been reclaimed through strategic tree growth.

Trees are also the planet’s heat shield. They keep the concrete and asphalt
of cities and suburbs 10 or more degrees cooler and protect our skin from
the sun’s harsh UV rays. The Texas Department of Forestry has estimated
that the die-off of shade trees will cost Texans hundreds of millions of
dollars more for air-conditioning. Trees, of course, sequester carbon
dioxide, a greenhouse gas that makes the planet warmer. A study by the
Carnegie Institution for Science also found that water vapor from forests
lowers ambient temperatures.

A big question is, which trees should we be planting? Ten years ago, I met
a shade tree farmer named David Milarch, a co-founder of the Champion Tree
Project who has been cloning some of the world’s oldest and largest trees
to protect their genetics, from California redwoods to the oaks of Ireland.
“These are the supertrees, and they have stood the test of time,” he says.

Science doesn’t know if these genes will be important on a warmer planet,
but an old proverb seems apt. “When is the best time to plant a tree?” The
answer: “Twenty years ago. The second-best time? Today.”

Jim Robbins is the author of the forthcoming book “The Man Who Planted
Trees.”

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: April 21, 2012

An earlier version of this essay referred incorrectly to one of 

[Biofuel] Climate-change summary and update

2013-03-04 Thread Steve Racz
http://guymcpherson.com/2013/01/climate-change-summary-and-update/


Climate-change summary and
updatehttp://guymcpherson.com/2013/01/climate-change-summary-and-update/

Sun, Jan 6, 2013

Uncategorized http://guymcpherson.com/category/uncategorized/

American actress Lily Tomlin is credited with the expression, “No matter
how cynical you become, it’s never enough to keep up.” With respect to
climate science, my own efforts to stay abreast are blown away every week
by new data, models, and assessments. It seems no matter how dire the
situation becomes, it only gets worse when I check the latest reports.

The response of politicians, heads of non-governmental organizations, and
corporate leaders remains the same. They’re mired in the dank Swamp of
Nothingness. These are the people who know about, and presumably could do
something about, our ongoing race to disaster (if only to sound the alarm).
Tomlin’s line is never more germane than when thinking about their pursuit
of a buck at the expense of life on Earth.

This essay brings attention to recent projections and positive feedbacks.
There is little new here beyond my recent presentations on the subject.
Specifically, I presented most of this information at the Bluegrass
Bioneers 
conferencehttp://guymcpherson.com/2012/11/speaking-in-louisville-and-a-couple-essays/
(Alex
Smith at Radio Ecoshock evaluates my
presentationherehttp://ecoshock.blogspot.com/2012/12/climate-on-road-to-extinction.html).
More recently, I presented an updated
versionhttp://guymcpherson.com/2012/11/livestreamed-tonight/ on
the campus of the University of Massachusetts. All information and sources
are readily confirmed with an online search, and links to information about
feedbacks can be found
herehttp://lackofenvironment.wordpress.com/2013/02/19/what-on-earth-are-we-doing/
.

*Large-scale assessments*

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (late 2007): 1 C by 2100

Hadley Centre for Meteorological Research (late 2008): 2 C by 2100

United Nations Environment Programme (mid 2009): 3.5 C by 2100

Hadley Centre for Meteorological Research (October 2009): 4 C by 2060

Global Carbon Project, Copenhagen Diagnosis (November 2009): 6 C, 7 C by
2100

International Energy Agency (November 2010): 3.5 C by 2035 2100

United Nations Environment Programme (December 2010): up to 5 C by 2050

These assessments fail to account for significant self-reinforcing feedback
loops (i.e., positive feedbacks, the term that implies the opposite of its
meaning). The IPCC’s vaunted Fifth Assessment will continue the trend as
it, too, ignores important
feedbackshttp://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/12/02/1253931/ipccs-planned-obsolescence-fifth-assessment-report-will-ignore-crucial-permafrost-carbon-feedback/.
On a positive note, major assessments fail to account for economic
collapse. However, due to the feedback loops presented below, I strongly
suspect it’s too late for economic collapse to extend the run of our
species.

As pointed out by the United Nations Advisory Group on Greenhouse Gases in
1990http://theartofannihilation.com/category/articles-2010/expose-the-2o-death-dance-the-1o-cover-up-part-i/,
“Beyond 1 degree C may elicit rapid, unpredictable and non-linear responses
that could lead to extensive ecosystem damage.” Planetary instruments
indicate Earth has warmed about 1 C since the beginning of the industrial
revolution. However, plants in the vicinity of Concord, Massachusetts —
where the instrumental record indicates warming of about 1 C — indicate warming
of 2.4 C since the
1840shttp://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/mar/14/henry-david-thoreau-climate-change
.

Whether you believe the plants or the instruments is irrelevant at the
point. We’ve clearly triggered the types of positive feedbacks the United
Nations warned about in 1990. Yet my colleagues and acquaintances think we
can and will work our way out of this horrific mess with permaculture
(which is not to denigrate permaculture, the principles of which are
implemented at the mud hut).

Let’s ignore the models for a moment and consider only the results of a single
briefing to the United Nations Conference of the Parties in Copenhagen
(COP15)http://wrongkindofgreen.org/2012/12/10/the-most-important-cop-briefing-that-no-one-ever-heard-truth-lies-racism-omnicide/.
Regulars in this space will recall COP15 as the climate-change meetings
thrown under the bus by the Obama administration. A footnote on that
long-forgotten briefing contains this statement: “THE LONG-TERM SEA LEVEL
THAT CORRESPONDS TO CURRENT CO2 CONCENTRATION IS ABOUT 23 METERS ABOVE
TODAY’S LEVELS, AND THE TEMPERATURES WILL BE 6 DEGREES C OR MORE HIGHER.
THESE ESTIMATES ARE BASED ON REAL LONG TERM CLIMATE RECORDS, NOT ON MODELS.”

In other words, Obama and others in his administration knew near-term
extinction of humans was already guaranteed. Even before the dire feedbacks
were reported by the scientific community, the Obama administration
abandoned climate change as a 

Re: [Biofuel] reIs the Deadly Crash of Our Civilization Inevitable?

2007-02-14 Thread Steve Racz
It's probably going to get pretty crowded then down here in the south in New 
Zealand. I'm glad I had a chance to get in early on some real estate.

I think we'll be in trouble long before then. There are some in humankind that  
still cling to the notion that starting wars will lead to peace and as the 
world's resources dwindle, there will be more and more reasons found for 
creating peace!

Steve

On Wednesday 14 February 2007 04:36 pm, John Wilson wrote:
HI Peter,

So we better have figured out what to do before then
(about 4 billion years from now)!

We don't have the full 4 billion years. The next major catastrophy happens in
 about ten thousand. Let us hope it is just a small ice age and not a major
 one. I am still trying to get rid of the bolders the last ice age left
 behind. All northern cities and infrastructure will be wiped away by tons of
 ice. In the mean time if the earth rotates on its axis we won't even know
 which cities will be in the north and affected. Yours truly
John Wilson
***
Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve
Goldens
Ph-Fax (902)665-2386)
Web:  http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm
 Pups:  http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm
 Politics:  http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm

In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM .
 After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone.

Not anymore! Smoke freedom day 6 th December 2006
^


Yours truly
John Wilson
***
Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve
Goldens
Ph-Fax (902)665-2386)
Web:  http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm
 Pups:  http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm

In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM .
 After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone.

Not anymore! Smoke freedom day 6 th December 2006
^

-- 
Steve Racz
(03) 383 8167
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/



Re: [Biofuel] A heat Engine for the house.

2006-10-28 Thread Steve Racz
See WhisperGen
http://www.whispergen.com/

A company from here in Christchurch, New Zealand is producing units using a 
Stirling engine. Their market is currently primarily the UK as a replacement 
for home or office central heating systems while also producing power to 
either consume or put back into the grid. For off grid, they offer a DC model 
in various sizes, including some suitable for use on boats.

The majority shareholder is Meridian Energy, one of the largest electricty 
producers here.

Here in NZ, they don't believe in heating houses, so it's not a big market and 
I'm never seen one in use or even for sale, though these are designed, 
developed and manufactured here.

steve

On Saturday 28 October 2006 01:18 pm, Zeke Yewdall wrote:
This is known as Cogeneration, and in the energy consulting world is
considered pretty hot.  Usually it's trying to recuperate heat from small
turbines, fuel cells, or even large turbines, but it generally pays back
pretty well (because usually the other option is just throwing away all that
heat, because they need the electricity anyway).  I suspect that the problem
was the gasoline is a pretty high priced form of BTU's.  But they've made
working systems using MW sized diesel generators in some alaskan villages,
and they pay $3 or $4 per gallon for fuel (and $0.40/kWh for the resulting
electricity) I don't actually know anyone who's done this on a scale smaller
than a large commercial building or campus, but perhaps there's someone out
there   The thing is that if you just want to get heat, it's always more
efficient to just run a boiler or furnace or such, and not waste energy in
making movement.  But if you can syphon off 20% of the energy into motion,
which you then turn to high value energy such as electricity, it might be
better.   Also, you've got to match the electrical and thermal loads, which
often don't match well, though they could in certain situations.

Z

On 10/27/06, JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When I lived in Colorado I looked into using a Gas engine With a generator
 to provide heating and electricity in the heavy winter months.  The idea
 was
 to use all but the heat exchanged exhaust as heat source and the generated
 power for electricity. It was not cost effective at that time with fuel
 prices at $1.75 but I wonder now with biodiesel. Has anyone done anything
 like this or is this a looser anyway you look at it?

 Jim


 ___
 Biofuel mailing list
 Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

 Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
 http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

 Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
 messages):
 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

-- 
Steve Racz
(03) 383 8167
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/



Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-19 Thread Steve Racz
/

-- 
Steve Racz
(03) 383 8167
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/



Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-12 Thread Steve Racz
/

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

-- 
Steve Racz
(03) 383 8167
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/



Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-09 Thread Steve Racz
I hope it leads to some good results as well.

The second article from the Iowa State shed much more light on it and I'm glad 
John found it and passed it on.

I'm not trying to be negative. We need more Mr.Lins. I just wish that with his 
knowledge and training he could remain focused on research rather than having 
to split his time starting a company and campaigning for research dollars to 
continue his work. On the other hand having a reality check with new ideas to 
see if they produce economically viable results in the marketplace is 
important too.

I wish Mr.Lin well but just think of the progress if we threw some real 
dollars at this area - like for example a fraction of the military and 
defense research spending.

Steve

On Monday 08 May 2006 10:55 am, JJJN wrote:
Hello Steve,
Yea it a bummer to see our think tanks beg, but the bottom line is if
they start producing the catalyst for sale, chances are we can buy it,
not so different than going to your local chemical supply and buying KOH
eh?  I think Mr Lin is trying to use his minute in the limelight to
express what they have done and give the State a good kicking in the
butt to start supporting what they at the university do (Academics vs
Sports)  and after the Hawkeyes Basketball season why not?  I don't
agree with -see below...
Best
Jim

Steve Racz wrote:
Here is the article online (using snipurl!)

http://snipurl.com/q4st

If the catalyst is reusable, but only 20 times, what happens then? Can the
catalyst be recycled?

The details are vague but it seems that this is intentional as it seems Mr.
Lin and his colleagues and especially the University of Iowa are trying to
cash in on their research, not share it.

Sorry if I sound like a cynic, but the article sounds more like a free
informercial touting the benefits of university and industry collaboration
(read - how to raise $$$ for the University) with the work with renewable
fuels being only the buzzword to bind it together.

Not that I don't think that there shouldn't be collaboration, it's that this
is blatantly using biodiesel research as a headliner and not much else.

Not much else? Then Why is the Coop going to start Commercially testing
the Catalyst?

 I'm
actually saddened that with all the blah, blah about being addicted to oil,
that begging is still required by universities for funding of research that
seems so basic and that people like Mr.Lin are forced into the commercial
world when clearly it's not ready for commercialization.

Right the catalyst is not ready for commercialization but it is ready to
test for that purpose.  Please don't misunderstand me, I hope it becomes
available but until the next 1000 yards of research and testing is
complete I am not going to cancel any orders for KOH.

It does state :

Grants from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the U.S. Department of
 Energy and the state's Iowa Values Fund have helped support the ISU
 researchers' work.

but that doesn't stop them from saying this:

If the work with West Central shows the catalysts will work on a commercial
scale, Lin may form a company to produce the catalysts.

But that, as well as continuing research on campus, will take significant
funding, he and others said.

If we could get support from the state and from these local companies,
 there is no reason why it would not stay here, Lin said. I see
 opportunity in Iowa.

Steve

On Sunday 07 May 2006 03:35 pm, JJJN wrote:
My mother in law sent me an article by Anne Fitzgerald writing for the
(Des Moines?) Register.

 The article states that Victor Lin and two fellow University of Iowa
Chemists have created a new catalyst that is reusable (20 times) and can
be filtered.  The catalyst will be quite a bit more expensive than what
we are using now but will pay out over time because of the reuse. West
Central cooperative is going to test the catalyst on a commercial scale.

Anne Fitzgerald can be reached at 515 284 8122 or at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This sounds very much like the  glucose/carbon/sulfur carbon compound.
BUT I do not know if it is or something new.

Well lets hope this becomes available to us all very soon.

My best
Jim.

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

-- 
Steve Racz
(03) 383 8167
[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst

2006-05-07 Thread Steve Racz
Here is the article online (using snipurl!)

http://snipurl.com/q4st

If the catalyst is reusable, but only 20 times, what happens then? Can the 
catalyst be recycled?

The details are vague but it seems that this is intentional as it seems Mr. 
Lin and his colleagues and especially the University of Iowa are trying to 
cash in on their research, not share it.

Sorry if I sound like a cynic, but the article sounds more like a free 
informercial touting the benefits of university and industry collaboration 
(read - how to raise $$$ for the University) with the work with renewable 
fuels being only the buzzword to bind it together.

Not that I don't think that there shouldn't be collaboration, it's that this 
is blatantly using biodiesel research as a headliner and not much else. I'm 
actually saddened that with all the blah, blah about being addicted to oil, 
that begging is still required by universities for funding of research that 
seems so basic and that people like Mr.Lin are forced into the commercial 
world when clearly it's not ready for commercialization.

It does state :

Grants from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the U.S. Department of Energy 
and the state's Iowa Values Fund have helped support the ISU researchers' 
work.

but that doesn't stop them from saying this:

If the work with West Central shows the catalysts will work on a commercial 
scale, Lin may form a company to produce the catalysts.

But that, as well as continuing research on campus, will take significant 
funding, he and others said.

If we could get support from the state and from these local companies, there 
is no reason why it would not stay here, Lin said. I see opportunity in 
Iowa.

Steve

On Sunday 07 May 2006 03:35 pm, JJJN wrote:
My mother in law sent me an article by Anne Fitzgerald writing for the
(Des Moines?) Register.

 The article states that Victor Lin and two fellow University of Iowa
Chemists have created a new catalyst that is reusable (20 times) and can
be filtered.  The catalyst will be quite a bit more expensive than what
we are using now but will pay out over time because of the reuse. West
Central cooperative is going to test the catalyst on a commercial scale.

Anne Fitzgerald can be reached at 515 284 8122 or at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This sounds very much like the  glucose/carbon/sulfur carbon compound.
BUT I do not know if it is or something new.

Well lets hope this becomes available to us all very soon.

My best
Jim.

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

-- 
Steve Racz
(03) 383 8167
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/



Re: [Biofuel] Wet Composting

2006-03-07 Thread Steve Racz
Composting can be achieved either aerobically or anaerobically. They are 
different processes, require different conditions and organisms and the 
organisms themselves have different requirements.

To achieve a more complete decomposition in a shorter period of time, you can 
help the aerobic organisms by replenishing their oxygen supply and their 
moisture requirements. You do not need to add additional organic material 'to 
ensure a complete reaction' if you start with a proper mix in the first 
place.(Technically it's not a reaction anyway, more of a digestion). If you 
start an aerobic pile and let the organisms get to the point where they have 
consumed all of the oxygen and moisture and have produced heat as a 
byproduct, then you get into a more anaerobic decomposition. If you turn the 
pile, it becomes an aerobic decomposition again. What's my point? If you 
build a proper aerobic compost mix and just leave it, nature will take of it 
eventually- without a question. Why work hard to do what nature already does 
so well.

Anaerobic composting is a bit more complex but can be aided with the addition 
of certain microbes. Anaerobic composting is what occurs in a garbage dump - 
with at least one byproduct being methane. I think in your scenario, the 
aerobic microbes would drown.

Why the interest in just tea bags anyway, though? There is plenty of free 
material available for composting - leaves, grass, straw, vegetable scraps, 
sawdust, woodchips, hair - should be easy enough to collect enough 'browns' 
and 'greens' to make a good pile. For free sources, try your local grocer, 
barbershop, woodshop - heck I used to steal bags of leaves in the fall from 
the neighbors and the pumpkins and strawbales after Hallowe'en  and I had a 
container left out in the office kitchen area to collect coffee 
grinds/teabags. No problem composting these.

A local entrepreneur in the Dallas area had the local Dr.Pepper bottling plant 
pay to deliver the spoiled batches of syrup to his quarry which they 
otherwise would have had to treat before dumping and charged the timber 
industry to dump their sawdust in same. He turned the pile with bulldozers , 
then bagged and sold the finished compost. Money to bring it in, money to 
take it away. Garbage into gold using nature! Brilliant! 

And just so we don't stray off alternate fuels too far - the methane off 
garbage dumps can be recovered - this is nothing new - my local community 
here in New Zealand is tapping a closed dump and piping the methane 2 kms to 
a nearby community center to heat the pool.

If you include an aerobic compost pile in say a greenhouse, it can provide an 
alternate source of heat while being close for disposal of all your gardening 
'waste'. 

Haven't found a way to have it power my Toyota Surf turbo diesel yet though.

-- 
Steve Racz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Tuesday 07 March 2006 03:47 pm, Rexis Tree wrote:
Composting required aerobic condition and well balanced C-N ratio to carry
out. And require active turning the compost pile to mix in oxygen and fresh
organic material to ensure a complete reaction. If compost too wet and soak
in water will turn the pile into anaerobic compost which result in none
complete and smelly compost.

But how about this one? If i soak a lot of organic material in water, bubble
air thru the water, and perhaps keep it warm at 35 C. Will it create any
compost in the end? In theory the bacterial should get enough oxygen to
undergo aerobic reaction.

And what is tea bag's CN ratio? I plan to collect lots of tea grounds to do
compost, perhaps i will get it from restaurants or coffee shops.


___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/



Re: [Biofuel] Birth of an Industry

2006-02-22 Thread Steve Racz
Hi Kenji,

I've read some of the report you quoted. I guess it must be kept in mind that 
this is a submission from a private enterprise to the government on 
recommendations for expanding the industry in Canada, both from a producer 
perspective and from a consumer perspective. It is certainly not legislation.

A further point is that they recommended registration and certification for 
biofuel/producers that enters the fuel distribution system. This would take 
home-brew systems pretty much off the radar screen from this kind of 
scrutiny.

Of course if this were to turn into legislation, it would still leave out a 
whole class of producer - that operated like a the equivalent of the beer 
micro-brewery ie: a small commercial producer selling direct to the public. 
Surely we would expect some type of standards to be adhered to if fuel was 
being sold to the public.

I agree with you, however, that if certifications and registration were made 
universal, that could be to the detriment of the home producer (depending on 
how costly this becomes) and that would not be desirable. 

The solutions to world energy requirements post cheap oil (ie: today) has to 
involve lots of different solutions at the local level with local people who 
care about their local environment( and therefore the global environment). We 
can't leave it to big business to solve this one because we already know 
where their values are and what results that leads to.

Steve


On Wednesday 22 February 2006 02:04 pm, Kenji James Fuse wrote:
So here's the latest I've found for Canada. The push is on for the
government of Canada to establish a Federal registration and
certification program for all biodiesel producers, importers to guarantee
all biodiesel into the Canadian petroleum fuel distribution system meets
the accepted North American quality standard ASTM D6751.

Quality = Good
Registration and Certification at the Government Level = BAD

Here's the full report:

http://www.www.canadianbioenergy.com/Resources/
   DEVELOPING_A_CANADIAN_BIODIESEL_INDUSTRY.pdf

My worry is the micro- and small-scale producer (ie backyard brewer) is
going to be penalized if not criminalized, very shortly in Canada.

Let's have our own accreditation system so I can talk to my elected
offical and make sure we aren't screwed over in favour of big tax dollar
lobbyists!

Kenji Fuse


___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

-- 
Steve Racz
(03) 383 8167
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/



Re: [Biofuel] Looking for still materials in Houston, TX

2006-02-15 Thread Steve Racz
Mark,

I llved in Dallas for 10 years and I found that Apex Supply always had what I 
needed. I also worked for Home Depot so I understand that they don't always 
have the specialty items.

http://www.apexsupplyco.com/branches.htm

They have several branches around Texas, the closest to you is Austin but 
perhaps they can either ship parts to you or you can contact them for a 
suggestoin on a closer source in Houston.

Steve


On Thursday 16 February 2006 08:43 am, Mark Kennedy wrote:
Home Depot was my first stop.  I have three of them within 10 mins of my
house.  the home depot's around here only carry copper pipe up to 1
diameter.  1.5 and 2 is uncommon in residential use here because of the
climate, i suppose.

i wish i knew a plumber here... but...

pvc is plentiful but i have seen recommendations against it.  anything wrong
with building one out of pvc for first-time short-term use?

-Mark

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:16 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Looking for still materials in Houston, TX


They all look like standard hardware store items to me, but I'm also
spoiled by a really good hardware store in town.  Have you tried Home
Depot?  They might have stuff which could be made to work.

On 2/15/06, Mark Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am looking for materials for constructing an ethanol still out of copper
 pipe and fittings like the one shown below:
 http://www.moonshine-still.com/

 materials list is here, the second one down on the page: Internal Reflux
 Still:
 http://www.moonshine-still.com/Appendix%201.htm

 any ideas where I can find the materials in Houston?  i cannot buy

wholesale

 and that is the only source i have found.

 thanks
 Mark


 ___
 Biofuel mailing list
 Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

 Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
 http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

 Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000

messages):
 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/


___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/

-- 
Steve Racz
(03) 383 8167
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

___
Biofuel mailing list
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html

Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/