Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO
Heat and vacuum is pretty hard to beat for drying oil IMHO. Joe Mike Weaver wrote: Hi Lee, I've found it easier to switch to a better WVO source than to fiddle too much de-watering. That said, heat and time will work. Lee Eady, D.C. wrote: I am just getting started making BD. I have had some trouble getting all the water removed from the WVO. Is it a must to heat the oil if so how hot, how long? Will it settle out on its own if just sits if so how long do I need to let it settle? Any info will be appreciated. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO
They might now be dead. But what the hell there are lots of others to keep the doors open. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:05 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO Funny you mention this Derick, I have two sources one gives me 2.5 gallons of water per 5 gallons of grease but it is like virgin oil when its cleaned up. My other source gives me the oil in clean dry 5 gallon containers with caps but the FFA's are really high. It certainly would be an eye opener for those folks that eat the French fries and onion rings if they only knew or are they just brave Hm. Jim Derick Giorchino wrote: Yes there is but the titration is off the charts. This has only happened 2 times since I have been doing this about 2 years. And the wvo is normally a very good quality. Titration at about 2 or 2.25 + the 3.5. As apposed to the 9 to 14 + 3.5 I started with. I was advised to not eat at those places. I haven't been back for a FFA dinner or stock for the process. I didn't mention before but the settling tank also has the advantage of settling out the goop you need to filter out for processing. It seems to be heavier than the oil. This gives me wvo that looks like tan salad oil clear and clean, I haven't had a failed batch since. Oops I may have just jinxed myself. It seems that the food particles also hold a large amount of water that will make it harder to process. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:56 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO Wow - that's a lot of water - is there any other source of WVO near you? Derick Giorchino wrote: I also had some trouble in the beginning. I now use a settling drum I found the design on J T F and it works very well. I collect my wvo in the wee hours on my way to work and have collected 20+ gal of water in 40 gal pickup. I drain the pure water out after a few hours of settling then heat the balance to 120 f and drain it once more. The separation drum has 2 drain valves one on the bottom and one about 6 inches off the bottom. That where I get a nice clean product fro processing. It may seem that the energy used is a waste but I find it is better than 120 liters of failure. Good luck Derick *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Lee Eady, D.C. *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2006 12:05 PM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* [Biofuel] removing water from WVO I am just getting started making BD. I have had some trouble getting all the water removed from the WVO. Is it a must to heat the oil if so how hot, how long? Will it settle out on its own if just sits if so how long do I need to let it settle? Any info will be appreciated. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO
Is the settling drum you use the cone bottom or is it flat bottom? What do you use to heat the oil? From: "Derick Giorchino" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVODate: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:32:23 -0800 I also had some trouble in the beginning. I now use a settling drum I found the design on J T F and it works very well. I collect my wvo in the wee hours on my way to work and have collected 20+ gal of water in 40 gal pickup. I drain the pure water out after a few hours of settling then heat the balance to 120 f and drain it once more. The separation drum has 2 drain valves one on the bottom and one about 6 inches off the bottom. That where I get a nice clean product fro processing. It may seem that the energy used is a waste but I find it is better than 120 liters of failure. Good luck Derick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Eady, D.C.Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:05 PMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO I am just getting started making BD. I have had some trouble getting all the water removed from the WVO. Is it a must to heat the oil if so how hot, how long? Will it settle out on its own if just sits if so how long do I need to let it settle? Any info will be appreciated. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO
Just an old oil drum flat bottom. I used a 4x4 stuck it in the drum center and with the help of a hydraulic jack pushed the center down 1 or 2 . I use an emersion heater. All the containers I have in my process are equipped with heaters and thermostats. Even the wash tank for winter washing. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dr. Lee Eady Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:00 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO Is the settling drum you use the cone bottom or is it flat bottom? What do you use to heat the oil? From: Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:32:23 -0800 I also had some trouble in the beginning. I now use a settling drum I found the design on J T F and it works very well. I collect my wvo in the wee hours on my way to work and have collected 20+ gal of water in 40 gal pickup. I drain the pure water out after a few hours of settling then heat the balance to 120 f and drain it once more. The separation drum has 2 drain valves one on the bottom and one about 6 inches off the bottom. That where I get a nice clean product fro processing. It may seem that the energy used is a waste but I find it is better than 120 liters of failure. Good luck Derick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Eady, D.C. Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:05 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO I am just getting started making BD. I have had some trouble getting all the water removed from the WVO. Is it a must to heat the oil if so how hot, how long? Will it settle out on its own if just sits if so how long do I need to let it settle? Any info will be appreciated. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO
Well lets see, from what I observe there are a lot of baby boomers that have been eating that way if they switch to prunes as a last ditch effort to get their plumbing working again growing plums may be the business to be in in the next 10 years?? ( along with Morticians) Derick Giorchino wrote: They might now be dead. But what the hell there are lots of others to keep the doors open. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:05 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO Funny you mention this Derick, I have two sources one gives me 2.5 gallons of water per 5 gallons of grease but it is like virgin oil when its cleaned up. My other source gives me the oil in clean dry 5 gallon containers with caps but the FFA's are really high. It certainly would be an eye opener for those folks that eat the French fries and onion rings if they only knew or are they just brave Hm. Jim Derick Giorchino wrote: Yes there is but the titration is off the charts. This has only happened 2 times since I have been doing this about 2 years. And the wvo is normally a very good quality. Titration at about 2 or 2.25 + the 3.5. As apposed to the 9 to 14 + 3.5 I started with. I was advised to not eat at those places. I haven't been back for a FFA dinner or stock for the process. I didn't mention before but the settling tank also has the advantage of settling out the goop you need to filter out for processing. It seems to be heavier than the oil. This gives me wvo that looks like tan salad oil clear and clean, I haven't had a failed batch since. Oops I may have just jinxed myself. It seems that the food particles also hold a large amount of water that will make it harder to process. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:56 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO Wow - that's a lot of water - is there any other source of WVO near you? Derick Giorchino wrote: I also had some trouble in the beginning. I now use a settling drum I found the design on J T F and it works very well. I collect my wvo in the wee hours on my way to work and have collected 20+ gal of water in 40 gal pickup. I drain the pure water out after a few hours of settling then heat the balance to 120 f and drain it once more. The separation drum has 2 drain valves one on the bottom and one about 6 inches off the bottom. That where I get a nice clean product fro processing. It may seem that the energy used is a waste but I find it is better than 120 liters of failure. Good luck Derick *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Lee Eady, D.C. *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2006 12:05 PM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* [Biofuel] removing water from WVO I am just getting started making BD. I have had some trouble getting all the water removed from the WVO. Is it a must to heat the oil if so how hot, how long? Will it settle out on its own if just sits if so how long do I need to let it settle? Any info will be appreciated. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail
[Biofuel] removing water from WVO
I am just getting started making BD. I have had some trouble getting all the water removed from the WVO. Is it a must to heat the oil if so how hot, how long? Will it settle out on its own if just sits if so how long do I need to let it settle? Any info will be appreciated. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO
I also had some trouble in the beginning. I now use a settling drum I found the design on J T F and it works very well. I collect my wvo in the wee hours on my way to work and have collected 20+ gal of water in 40 gal pickup. I drain the pure water out after a few hours of settling then heat the balance to 120 f and drain it once more. The separation drum has 2 drain valves one on the bottom and one about 6 inches off the bottom. That where I get a nice clean product fro processing. It may seem that the energy used is a waste but I find it is better than 120 liters of failure. Good luck Derick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Eady, D.C. Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:05 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO I am just getting started making BD. I have had some trouble getting all the water removed from the WVO. Is it a must to heat the oil if so how hot, how long? Will it settle out on its own if just sits if so how long do I need to let it settle? Any info will be appreciated. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO
Lee, I don't know where you are at in the learning process but if you have not started with virgin oil and had multiple success in small batches do yourself a favor and start there and learn the titration before you start with WVO. As far as heating it there is a whole section on getting the water out of WVO: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#water Best Jim Lee Eady, D.C. wrote: I am just getting started making BD. I have had some trouble getting all the water removed from the WVO. Is it a must to heat the oil if so how hot, how long? Will it settle out on its own if just sits if so how long do I need to let it settle? Any info will be appreciated. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO
Wow - that's a lot of water - is there any other source of WVO near you? Derick Giorchino wrote: I also had some trouble in the beginning. I now use a settling drum I found the design on J T F and it works very well. I collect my wvo in the wee hours on my way to work and have collected 20+ gal of water in 40 gal pickup. I drain the pure water out after a few hours of settling then heat the balance to 120 f and drain it once more. The separation drum has 2 drain valves one on the bottom and one about 6 inches off the bottom. That where I get a nice clean product fro processing. It may seem that the energy used is a waste but I find it is better than 120 liters of failure. Good luck Derick *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Lee Eady, D.C. *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2006 12:05 PM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* [Biofuel] removing water from WVO I am just getting started making BD. I have had some trouble getting all the water removed from the WVO. Is it a must to heat the oil if so how hot, how long? Will it settle out on its own if just sits if so how long do I need to let it settle? Any info will be appreciated. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO
Hi Lee, I've found it easier to switch to a better WVO source than to fiddle too much de-watering. That said, heat and time will work. Lee Eady, D.C. wrote: I am just getting started making BD. I have had some trouble getting all the water removed from the WVO. Is it a must to heat the oil if so how hot, how long? Will it settle out on its own if just sits if so how long do I need to let it settle? Any info will be appreciated. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO
Yes there is but the titration is off the charts. This has only happened 2 times since I have been doing this about 2 years. And the wvo is normally a very good quality. Titration at about 2 or 2.25 + the 3.5. As apposed to the 9 to 14 + 3.5 I started with. I was advised to not eat at those places. I haven't been back for a FFA dinner or stock for the process. I didn't mention before but the settling tank also has the advantage of settling out the goop you need to filter out for processing. It seems to be heavier than the oil. This gives me wvo that looks like tan salad oil clear and clean, I haven't had a failed batch since. Oops I may have just jinxed myself. It seems that the food particles also hold a large amount of water that will make it harder to process. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:56 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO Wow - that's a lot of water - is there any other source of WVO near you? Derick Giorchino wrote: I also had some trouble in the beginning. I now use a settling drum I found the design on J T F and it works very well. I collect my wvo in the wee hours on my way to work and have collected 20+ gal of water in 40 gal pickup. I drain the pure water out after a few hours of settling then heat the balance to 120 f and drain it once more. The separation drum has 2 drain valves one on the bottom and one about 6 inches off the bottom. That where I get a nice clean product fro processing. It may seem that the energy used is a waste but I find it is better than 120 liters of failure. Good luck Derick *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Lee Eady, D.C. *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2006 12:05 PM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* [Biofuel] removing water from WVO I am just getting started making BD. I have had some trouble getting all the water removed from the WVO. Is it a must to heat the oil if so how hot, how long? Will it settle out on its own if just sits if so how long do I need to let it settle? Any info will be appreciated. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO
Funny you mention this Derick, I have two sources one gives me 2.5 gallons of water per 5 gallons of grease but it is like virgin oil when its cleaned up. My other source gives me the oil in clean dry 5 gallon containers with caps but the FFA's are really high. It certainly would be an eye opener for those folks that eat the French fries and onion rings if they only knew or are they just brave Hm. Jim Derick Giorchino wrote: Yes there is but the titration is off the charts. This has only happened 2 times since I have been doing this about 2 years. And the wvo is normally a very good quality. Titration at about 2 or 2.25 + the 3.5. As apposed to the 9 to 14 + 3.5 I started with. I was advised to not eat at those places. I haven't been back for a FFA dinner or stock for the process. I didn't mention before but the settling tank also has the advantage of settling out the goop you need to filter out for processing. It seems to be heavier than the oil. This gives me wvo that looks like tan salad oil clear and clean, I haven't had a failed batch since. Oops I may have just jinxed myself. It seems that the food particles also hold a large amount of water that will make it harder to process. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 6:56 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] removing water from WVO Wow - that's a lot of water - is there any other source of WVO near you? Derick Giorchino wrote: I also had some trouble in the beginning. I now use a settling drum I found the design on J T F and it works very well. I collect my wvo in the wee hours on my way to work and have collected 20+ gal of water in 40 gal pickup. I drain the pure water out after a few hours of settling then heat the balance to 120 f and drain it once more. The separation drum has 2 drain valves one on the bottom and one about 6 inches off the bottom. That where I get a nice clean product fro processing. It may seem that the energy used is a waste but I find it is better than 120 liters of failure. Good luck Derick *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Lee Eady, D.C. *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2006 12:05 PM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* [Biofuel] removing water from WVO I am just getting started making BD. I have had some trouble getting all the water removed from the WVO. Is it a must to heat the oil if so how hot, how long? Will it settle out on its own if just sits if so how long do I need to let it settle? Any info will be appreciated. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Removing water from WVO
Thanks Kieth. You know how newbies get so enthusiastic digesting information at lightning speed and missing a lot? After reading what Dave states and from the other links, the polymer will work for free water that has separated but not for water that is combined with the impurities left from incomplete processing. It is becoming clear to me that accurate testing and processing of your WVO will save time, money and yields a better product. My old IDI lister-types will probably be OK on the filtered and settled WVO straight but not my other DI engines. More to learn. Regards, Emil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:47 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Removing water from WVO Have a look at what Dale says about it here: Removing the water http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#water Best wishes Keith Emil I was thinking about something like that a few months ago but stayed away from it because I felt that this forum would have covered it already if it was worth doing. The minds here are great and that product is not new. I guess I will join you in venturing into that area. Thanks for getting my mental juices going again in that area.' Good Luck Roy Manzo, Emil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings. Has anyone tried using an absorptive polymer to remove water from WVO? It is a cheap product that is used in sandy soils to increase water retention for plants. It is also used in products that remove water from the bottom of fuel tanks at gas stations. I think one brand is called water sock. The WVO could be pumped through a vessel containing the crystals as it was being filtered. The crystals expand with water and turn to jello then they can be dried out in the sun and reused. There is a similar product used in diapers but that is starch based and wouldn't work as well. If it works, we might save time and energy removing water. Am I making sense to anyone? Regards, Emil Roy Washbish ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Removing water from WVO
Greetings. Has anyone tried using an absorptive polymer to remove water from WVO? It is a cheap product that is used in sandy soils to increase water retention for plants. It is also used in products that remove water from the bottom of fuel tanks at gas stations. I think one brand is called water sock. The WVO could be pumped through a vessel containing the crystals as it was being filtered. The crystals expand with water and turn to jello then they can be dried out in the sun and reused. There is a similar product used in diapers but that is starch based and wouldnt work as well. If it works, we might save time and energy removing water. Am I making sense to anyone? Regards, Emil ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Removing water from WVO
Hi Emil Not me, but I do have 3 500ml samples of waste canola oil from a chip wagon. They have been sitting for about a week at room temperature with about 1 to 3 teaspoons of alum dropped in and stirred (not shaken or pumped) . The results look good but I have nothing to report. If anyone has tried this I would be interested in feedback. I have also been toying with the idea of using DE (diatomaceous earth) it is used for swimming pools and apparently as a vacuum filter it can filter down to .5 microns that is ½ micron. Wes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manzo, Emil Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:45 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Removing water from WVO Greetings. Has anyone tried using an absorptive polymer to remove water from WVO? It is a cheap product that is used in sandy soils to increase water retention for plants. It is also used in products that remove water from the bottom of fuel tanks at gas stations. I think one brand is called water sock. The WVO could be pumped through a vessel containing the crystals as it was being filtered. The crystals expand with water and turn to jello then they can be dried out in the sun and reused. There is a similar product used in diapers but that is starch based and wouldnt work as well. If it works, we might save time and energy removing water. Am I making sense to anyone? Regards, Emil ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Removing water from WVO
Emil I was thinking about something like that a few months ago but stayed away from it because I felt that this forum would have covered it already if it was worth doing. The minds here are great and that product is not new. I guess I will join you in venturing into that area. Thanks for getting my mental juices going again in that area.' Good Luck Roy"Manzo, Emil" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings. Has anyone tried using an absorptive polymer to remove water from WVO? It is a cheap product that is used in sandy soils to increase water retention for plants. It is also used in products that remove water from the bottom of fuel tanks at gas stations. I think one brand is called water sock. The WVO could be pumped through a vessel containing the crystals as it was being filtered. The crystals expand with water and turn to jello then they can be dried out in the sun and reused. There is a similar product used in diapers but that is starch based and wouldnt work as well. If it works, we might save time and energy removing water. Am I making sense to anyone? Regards, Emil Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORKPRODUCTS BUSINESSTRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit mytrim.com/Roy Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Removing water from WVO
I ran some WVO into which I added a measured amout of water through a slow filter filled with silica beads and it worked pretty well removing the water. I haven't yet tried heating it to see if it pops but visually it looks like it worked. -Mike Manzo, Emil wrote: Greetings. Has anyone tried using an absorptive polymer to remove water from WVO? It is a cheap product that is used in sandy soils to increase water retention for plants. It is also used in products that remove water from the bottom of fuel tanks at gas stations. I think one brand is called “water sock”. The WVO could be pumped through a vessel containing the crystals as it was being filtered. The crystals expand with water and turn to “jello” then they can be dried out in the sun and reused. There is a similar product used in diapers but that is starch based and wouldn’t work as well. If it works, we might save time and energy removing water. Am I making sense to anyone? Regards, Emil ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Removing water from WVO
Have a look at what Dale says about it here: Removing the water http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#water Best wishes Keith Emil I was thinking about something like that a few months ago but stayed away from it because I felt that this forum would have covered it already if it was worth doing. The minds here are great and that product is not new. I guess I will join you in venturing into that area. Thanks for getting my mental juices going again in that area.' Good Luck Roy Manzo, Emil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings. Has anyone tried using an absorptive polymer to remove water from WVO? It is a cheap product that is used in sandy soils to increase water retention for plants. It is also used in products that remove water from the bottom of fuel tanks at gas stations. I think one brand is called water sock. The WVO could be pumped through a vessel containing the crystals as it was being filtered. The crystals expand with water and turn to jello then they can be dried out in the sun and reused. There is a similar product used in diapers but that is starch based and wouldnt work as well. If it works, we might save time and energy removing water. Am I making sense to anyone? Regards, Emil Roy Washbish ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
