Re: [Biofuel] was.. Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil
Not to mention, there is a Citgo station at the Pentagon. I buy B20 there sometimes. Dammit Mike, now who're we supposed to arrest, you, Citgo, or the Pentagon? Arrest them all, it's the only way - everybody in my police van, no excuses, no use trying to blame Redler for all the spaghetti either, alles verbode. Keith AEN wrote: Hello, The agreements to supply discounted heating oil have been made through citgo, the legal U.S. subsiid.. with full business status in the U.S. It is not a situation of making treaties with foreign nations, so it should not be considered as such You don't see U.S. oil co's offering any relief what so ever on heating fuel costs do you?. Even after the record profits that they have raked in last year. The whole situation is purely political and if Canada or Britain offered the same deal, it would most probably be gratefully accepted. Is it ok to say we are not going to accept oil from an alleged oppressive regime such as Chaves's while bombing Bagdad? This is no defence of Citgo but they regularly offer discounted oil to poor people in several other countries as well. Might be something U.S. OIL could look at...don't hold your breath. Pure political BS. OK, so Chicago authorities want to save face and not get involved for their own reasons mean while thousands of poor Americans can't afford to keep warm this winter or obtain discount transport. regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil Sent: 05 Jan '06 15:17 IIRC, it's not legal for individual states or cities to make treaties with foreign nations, as such an agreement might be considered. Greg H. Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 23:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2710 Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil by Jessica Pupovac (bio) As Chicago's poorest face an increase to already-high public transit fees, the city is ignoring an offer of discounted diesel fuel to benefit low-income people. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was.. Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil
And now I have a second choice .. Hess is offering gas with 10% ethanol .. and that's a totally new development here in New Jersey. .. at least for New Jersey that's a rather major step in the .. hopefully .. right direction. I like having choices. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was.. Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:33:26 +0900 Not to mention, there is a Citgo station at the Pentagon. I buy B20 there sometimes. Dammit Mike, now who're we supposed to arrest, you, Citgo, or the Pentagon? Arrest them all, it's the only way - everybody in my police van, no excuses, no use trying to blame Redler for all the spaghetti either, alles verbode. Keith AEN wrote: Hello, The agreements to supply discounted heating oil have been made through citgo, the legal U.S. subsiid.. with full business status in the U.S. It is not a situation of making treaties with foreign nations, so it should not be considered as such You don't see U.S. oil co's offering any relief what so ever on heating fuel costs do you?. Even after the record profits that they have raked in last year. The whole situation is purely political and if Canada or Britain offered the same deal, it would most probably be gratefully accepted. Is it ok to say we are not going to accept oil from an alleged oppressive regime such as Chaves's while bombing Bagdad? This is no defence of Citgo but they regularly offer discounted oil to poor people in several other countries as well. Might be something U.S. OIL could look at...don't hold your breath. Pure political BS. OK, so Chicago authorities want to save face and not get involved for their own reasons mean while thousands of poor Americans can't afford to keep warm this winter or obtain discount transport. regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil Sent: 05 Jan '06 15:17 IIRC, it's not legal for individual states or cities to make treaties with foreign nations, as such an agreement might be considered. Greg H. Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 23:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2710 Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil by Jessica Pupovac (bio) As Chicago's poorest face an increase to already-high public transit fees, the city is ignoring an offer of discounted diesel fuel to benefit low-income people. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] was.. Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil
Not to mention, there is a Citgo station at the Pentagon. I buy B20 there sometimes. AEN wrote: Hello, The agreements to supply discounted heating oil have been made through citgo, the legal U.S. subsiid.. with full business status in the U.S. It is not a situation of making treaties with foreign nations, so it should not be considered as such You don't see U.S. oil co's offering any relief what so ever on heating fuel costs do you?. Even after the record profits that they have raked in last year. The whole situation is purely political and if Canada or Britain offered the same deal, it would most probably be gratefully accepted. Is it ok to say we are not going to accept oil from an alleged oppressive regime such as Chaves's while bombing Bagdad? This is no defence of Citgo but they regularly offer discounted oil to poor people in several other countries as well. Might be something U.S. OIL could look at...don't hold your breath. Pure political BS. OK, so Chicago authorities want to save face and not get involved for their own reasons mean while thousands of poor Americans can't afford to keep warm this winter or obtain discount transport. regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil Sent: 05 Jan '06 15:17 IIRC, it's not legal for individual states or cities to make treaties with foreign nations, as such an agreement might be considered. Greg H. Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 23:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2710 Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil by Jessica Pupovac (bio) As Chicago's poorest face an increase to already-high public transit fees, the city is ignoring an offer of discounted diesel fuel to benefit low-income people. Chicago, Dec 28, 2005 - The Chicago Transit Authority is refusing an opportunity to alleviate commuting costs for hundreds of thousands in the Windy City's low-income neighborhoods. Instead of accepting deeply discounted fuel from the Venezuela-owned Citgo Petroleum Corporation, the city is instead raising fares to solve budget shortfalls. In an October meeting with representatives from the Chicago Transit Authority (CTA), the city's Department of Energy and other city officials, Citgo unveiled a plan to provide the Chicago with low-cost diesel fuel. The company's stipulation, at the bidding of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, was that the CTA, in turn, pass those savings on to poor residents in the form free or discounted fare cards. But two months later, despite claims of a looming budget crisis, the CTA president has no intent or plan to accept the offer, according to CTA spokesperson Ibis Antongiorgi. She gave no explanation. According to Venezuela's consul general in Chicago, Martin Sanchez, the CTA has yet to inform his office of its decision to decline the discount offer. In place of the proposed discount, which the CTA apparently does not want Chicagoans to even know about, budget shortfalls will be addressed by fare hikes. Chicagoans who are unaware of the Venezuela offer will be hit with an increase of 25 cents per ride next month, and discounted route-to-route transfers will be eliminated for passengers paying cash. This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me, said Dorothy Chew, resident of Humboldt Park, where one-third of residents live below the federally recognized poverty level - currently just $16,000 for a family of three. Chew relies on the CTA to get to work and to Chicago Commons, where she attends classes daily in preparation for taking her GED. Since she rarely has money to invest in a fare card, she will be forced to pay for transfers the majority of the time. Chew's classmate, Linda Cox, works a minimum-wage job and has been a Public Aid recipient for 15 years. She also relies heavily on public transportation. I only earn $560 a month and of that, over $200 a month goes to my bus fare, Cox told The NewStandard. I have a 15-year-old and a 17-year-old who also need to get to school. If they change the prices and take away transfers, there are going to be a lot of days missed. I already see no money at the end of the month. The offer of discount fuel is not just confined to Chicago
Re: [Biofuel] was.. Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil
As I mentioned in a earlier post, if all of Chicago's busses were run / controlled by a nonprofit organization and the oil went to the organization, it would not involve a local government and then the use of discount oil could not be considered a bribe. Greg H. - Original Message - From: AEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:26 Subject: [Biofuel] was.. Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil Hello, The agreements to supply discounted heating oil have been made through citgo, the legal U.S. subsiid.. with full business status in the U.S. It is not a situation of making treaties with foreign nations, so it should not be considered as such You don't see U.S. oil co's offering any relief what so ever on heating fuel costs do you?. Even after the record profits that they have raked in last year. The whole situation is purely political and if Canada or Britain offered the same deal, it would most probably be gratefully accepted. Is it ok to say we are not going to accept oil from an alleged oppressive regime such as Chaves's while bombing Bagdad? This is no defence of Citgo but they regularly offer discounted oil to poor people in several other countries as well. Might be something U.S. OIL could look at...don't hold your breath. Pure political BS. OK, so Chicago authorities want to save face and not get involved for their own reasons mean while thousands of poor Americans can't afford to keep warm this winter or obtain discount transport. regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil Sent: 05 Jan '06 15:17 IIRC, it's not legal for individual states or cities to make treaties with foreign nations, as such an agreement might be considered. Greg H. Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 23:56 Subject: [Biofuel] Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2710 Chicago Turns Down Discounted Venezuelan Oil by Jessica Pupovac (bio) As Chicago's poorest face an increase to already-high public transit fees, the city is ignoring an offer of discounted diesel fuel to benefit low-income people. Chicago, Dec 28, 2005 - The Chicago Transit Authority is refusing an opportunity to alleviate commuting costs for hundreds of thousands in the Windy City's low-income neighborhoods. Instead of accepting deeply discounted fuel from the Venezuela-owned Citgo Petroleum Corporation, the city is instead raising fares to solve budget shortfalls. In an October meeting with representatives from the Chicago Transit Authority (CTA), the city's Department of Energy and other city officials, Citgo unveiled a plan to provide the Chicago with low-cost diesel fuel. The company's stipulation, at the bidding of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, was that the CTA, in turn, pass those savings on to poor residents in the form free or discounted fare cards. But two months later, despite claims of a looming budget crisis, the CTA president has no intent or plan to accept the offer, according to CTA spokesperson Ibis Antongiorgi. She gave no explanation. According to Venezuela's consul general in Chicago, Martin Sanchez, the CTA has yet to inform his office of its decision to decline the discount offer. In place of the proposed discount, which the CTA apparently does not want Chicagoans to even know about, budget shortfalls will be addressed by fare hikes. Chicagoans who are unaware of the Venezuela offer will be hit with an increase of 25 cents per ride next month, and discounted route-to-route transfers will be eliminated for passengers paying cash. This is going to hurt the poor and the minority people, like me, said Dorothy Chew, resident of Humboldt Park, where one-third of residents live below the federally recognized poverty level - currently just $16,000 for a family of three. Chew relies on the CTA to get to work and to Chicago Commons, where she attends classes daily in preparation for taking her GED. Since she rarely has money to invest in a fare card, she will be forced to pay for transfers the majority of the time. Chew's classmate, Linda Cox, works a minimum-wage job and has been a Public Aid recipient for 15 years. She also relies heavily on public transportation. I only earn $560
