Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel
Hello Dr.Pannirselvam/Subramaniam, I read that many small scale enterprises are encouraged in India, with tax exemption. If project funding can be arranged somewhere in Chennai or any other suitable place with proper allowances I could come there tohelp outin ethanolof ethanol and wood pyrolysis. Or perhaps as special Institute/ College project where we won't be harassed by petty officials out for quick buck. With engines modified to run on E85 and wood spirit.Once project is finished I'll return to Penang.LOL Manickh "subramanian D.V" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr. PanneerSelvam, I've been reading your inputs to this forum quite for sometime and your enthusiasm is really contagious! but there are problems for individuals for producing alcohol. The process is simple enough for small scale (back yard) production which you recommend. raw material such as sweet sorghum and sugar beet can be grown ; the economics of production is well known to those in the field. Special strains of sweet sorghum are available in National Research Institutes in Hyderabad, as well as at Indian Institute of Agricultural Research . But. The moment I announce that I'm going to make my own fuel ( for personal use) half a dozen Govt agencies will raid my place ! Production of ethyl alcohol isnot possible without Govt license (which is not easy to get for an individual), payment of several duties and taxes and bribes on the side. Even if the farmers make alcohol on the sly, on second thoughts they would rather drink it than use for fuel. You know the types in India. On the commercial scale Indian Sugar Mills Assocn have half a million litres of surplus ethanol forE05 in the whole country but then theIndian oil corporation is still dragging its feet issuing purchase tenders for ethanol. So these are the ground realities here. Still I keep hoping it will change in due course. Regards, Subramanian "Pannirselvam P.V" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Manick I am native of South India.It is very true that Malaysia and India,the fuel alcohol can be mis used as the drinks. Brazil , where I live now ,here too are making alcohol for local consume and exportation as the alcoholic drinks and fuel made from sugarcane and fruits as both are the needs In south India where there is always power cut expected more than 30 porcent , locally made distilled home made alcohol, the municipal government can buy and use for transport and power generation. You are showing the real problem of corrupt practice there .Thus local use of ethanol for fuel instead of commercial use can solve the powercut there.This is need decentralised development of municipality.Only private company need to do all , under corrupted some political party not bothered about real problem of energy development. Based on traditional local home made alcohol , India can produce as much as Brazil (2 bilhoes liter of alcohol for food and fuel) and can solve the energy crisis.The farmer need to put light in the night and make plantation in India where as the farmer from USA, France and Europe has government financial help.Manick , surely India and can make possible the home made decentralised bio ethanol that thus make using pot , to put in their small motorised bicycle , thus making them independent to get away the poverty and all corrupted petroleum business , which is the root cause of the poverty, making people dependence on imported fuel that they can not pay. I wish to request Keith to publish via our list members from India about the low cost pot distillation, as this so simple and low cost ,any one can made fuel in their home based on this pot made tradicional alcohol which had made and making making story of so many tragedy and death of alcohol addiction .But this bad story can be made to be real a solution for the energy crysis sdPannirselvam On 9/10/05, Manick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tq Chris, My reason for posting is to stimulate interestto convince other group members to undertake ethanol and power generation projects.I am not in a position to dothem here in Malaysia or India, countries full of skull-duggering and dangerof losing all the investment due to fraudulent practices by the unscrupulous, without recourse to justice. I could give pages and pages of bad business ethics. It is very bad here which is the main reason this country is in languishing thedoldrums. The best I can do is to convince members that these concepts are viable and that there is great need to now to find alternatives to petroleum fuels. Cheers Manickh Chris lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey! i just remembered, homebrew champagne makers are cautioned to make surethat all yeast has been killed before finla bottling, lest continued fermentation generate so much pressure that it pops the cork. That cannot be right as to do so would leave you with flat champagne, you need the secondary fermentation to make any wine/beer fizzy. Champagne bottles have their corks wired on
Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel
Dear Manick Here in Brasil we have E95 running and this can be impoted to any country who wish to develop and adopt the same in other country as well as flexivel ethanol and gasoline car We need to come out here in this list here to arrive ata a simple workable design and then there are several university , Ghandhi gram rural university. Madurai south India vice chancellar Dr T.Karunakaran can make it reality as the present central government came to power to suport rural mass. sd Pannirselvam Brazil On 9/12/05, Manick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Dr.Pannirselvam/Subramaniam, I read that many small scale enterprises are encouraged in India, with tax exemption. If project funding can be arranged somewhere in Chennai or any other suitable place with proper allowances I could come there tohelp outin ethanolof ethanol and wood pyrolysis. Or perhaps as special Institute/ College project where we won't be harassed by petty officials out for quick buck. With engines modified to run on E85 and wood spirit.Once project is finished I'll return to Penang.LOL Manickh subramanian D.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr. PanneerSelvam, I've been reading your inputs to this forum quite for sometime and your enthusiasm is really contagious! but there are problems for individuals for producing alcohol. The process is simple enough for small scale (back yard) production which you recommend. raw material such as sweet sorghum and sugar beet can be grown ; the economics of production is well known to those in the field. Special strains of sweet sorghum are available in National Research Institutes in Hyderabad, as well as at Indian Institute of Agricultural Research . But. The moment I announce that I'm going to make my own fuel ( for personal use) half a dozen Govt agencies will raid my place ! Production of ethyl alcohol isnot possible without Govt license (which is not easy to get for an individual), payment of several duties and taxes and bribes on the side. Even if the farmers make alcohol on the sly, on second thoughts they would rather drink it than use for fuel. You know the types in India. On the commercial scale Indian Sugar Mills Assocn have half a million litres of surplus ethanol forE05 in the whole country but then theIndian oil corporation is still dragging its feet issuing purchase tenders for ethanol. So these are the ground realities here. Still I keep hoping it will change in due course. Regards, Subramanian Pannirselvam P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Manick I am native of South India.It is very true that Malaysia and India,the fuel alcohol can be mis used as the drinks. Brazil , where I live now ,here too are making alcohol for local consume and exportation as the alcoholic drinks and fuel made from sugarcane and fruits as both are the needs In south India where there is always power cut expected more than 30 porcent , locally made distilled home made alcohol, the municipal government can buy and use for transport and power generation. You are showing the real problem of corrupt practice there .Thus local use of ethanol for fuel instead of commercial use can solve the powercut there.This is need decentralised development of municipality.Only private company need to do all , under corrupted some political party not bothered about real problem of energy development. Based on traditional local home made alcohol , India can produce as much as Brazil (2 bilhoes liter of alcohol for food and fuel) and can solve the energy crisis.The farmer need to put light in the night and make plantation in India where as the farmer from USA, France and Europe has government financial help.Manick , surely India and can make possible the home made decentralised bio ethanol that thus make using pot , to put in their small motorised bicycle , thus making them independent to get away the poverty and all corrupted petroleum business , which is the root cause of the poverty, making people dependence on imported fuel that they can not pay. I wish to request Keith to publish via our list members from India about the low cost pot distillation, as this so simple and low cost ,any one can made fuel in their home based on this pot made tradicional alcohol which had made and making making story of so many tragedy and death of alcohol addiction .But this bad story can be made to be real a solution for the energy crysis sdPannirselvam On 9/10/05, Manick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tq Chris, My reason for posting is to stimulate interestto convince other group members to undertake ethanol and power generation projects.I am not in a position to dothem here in Malaysia or India, countries full of skull-duggering and dangerof losing all the investment due to fraudulent practices by the unscrupulous, without recourse to justice. I could give pages and pages of bad business ethics. It is very bad here which is the main reason this country is in languishing thedoldrums. The best I can do is to convince
Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel
Dear Dr.Pannirselvam Yes, Madurai Ghandigram university will be finewith Dr.T.Karunakaran, if it could be arranged. Cheers Manickh"Pannirselvam P.V" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Manick Here in Brasil we have E95 running and this can be impoted to any country who wish to develop and adopt the same in other country as well as flexivel ethanol and gasoline car We need to come out here in this list here to arrive ata a simple workable design and then there are several university , Ghandhi gram rural university. Madurai south India vice chancellar Dr T.Karunakaran can make it reality as the present central government came to power to suport rural mass.sdPannirselvam Brazil On 9/12/05, Manick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Dr.Pannirselvam/Subramaniam, I read that many small scale enterprises are encouraged in India, with tax exemption. If project funding can be arranged somewhere in Chennai or any other suitable place with proper allowances I could come there tohelp outin ethanolof ethanol and wood pyrolysis. Or perhaps as special Institute/ College project where we won't be harassed by petty officials out for quick buck. With engines modified to run on E85 and wood spirit.Once project is finished I'll return to Penang.LOL Manickh "subramanian D.V" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr. PanneerSelvam, I've been reading your inputs to this forum quite for sometime and your enthusiasm is really contagious! but there are problems for individuals for producing alcohol. The process is simple enough for small scale (back yard) production which you recommend. raw material such as sweet sorghum and sugar beet can be grown ; the economics of production is well known to those in the field. Special strains of sweet sorghum are available in National Research Institutes in Hyderabad, as well as at Indian Institute of Agricultural Research . But. The moment I announce that I'm going to make my own fuel ( for personal use) half a dozen Govt agencies will raid my place ! Production of ethyl alcohol isnot possible without Govt license (which is not easy to get for an individual), payment of several duties and taxes and bribes on the side. Even if the farmers make alcohol on the sly, on second thoughts they would rather drink it than use for fuel. You know the types in India. On the commercial scale Indian Sugar Mills Assocn have half a million litres of surplus ethanol forE05 in the whole country but then theIndian oil corporation is still dragging its feet issuing purchase tenders for ethanol. So these are the ground realities here. Still I keep hoping it will change in due course. Regards, Subramanian "Pannirselvam P.V" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Manick I am native of South India.It is very true that Malaysia and India,the fuel alcohol can be mis used as the drinks. Brazil , where I live now ,here too are making alcohol for local consume and exportation as the alcoholic drinks and fuel made from sugarcane and fruits as both are the needs In south India where there is always power cut expected more than 30 porcent , locally made distilled home made alcohol, the municipal government can buy and use for transport and power generation. You are showing the real problem of corrupt practice there .Thus local use of ethanol for fuel instead of commercial use can solve the powercut there.This is need decentralised development of municipality.Only private company need to do all , under corrupted some political party not bothered about real problem of energy development. Based on traditional local home made alcohol , India can produce as much as Brazil (2 bilhoes liter of alcohol for food and fuel) and can solve the energy crisis.The farmer need to put light in the night and make plantation in India where as the farmer from USA, France and Europe has government financial help.Manick , surely India and can make possible the home made decentralised bio ethanol that thus make using pot , to put in their small motorised bicycle , thus making them independent to get away the poverty and all corrupted petroleum business , which is the root cause of the poverty, making people dependence on imported fuel that they can not pay. I wish to request Keith to publish via our list members from India about the low cost pot distillation, as this so simple and low cost ,any one can made fuel in their home based on this pot made tradicional alcohol which had made and making making story of so many tragedy and death of alcohol addiction .But this bad story can be made to be real a solution for the energy crysis sdPannirselvam On 9/10/05, Manick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tq Chris, My reason for posting is to stimulate interestto convince other group members to undertake ethanol and power generation projects.I am not in a position to dothem here in Malaysia or India, countries full of skull-duggering and dangerof losing all the investment due to fraudulent practices by the unscrupulous, without recourse to justice. I
Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel
Dear Mr. PanneerSelvam, I've been reading your inputs to this forum quite for sometime and your enthusiasm is really contagious! but there are problems for individuals for producing alcohol. The process is simple enough for small scale (back yard) production which you recommend. raw material such as sweet sorghum and sugar beet can be grown ; the economics of production is well known to those in the field. Special strains of sweet sorghum are available in National Research Institutes in Hyderabad, as well as at Indian Institute of Agricultural Research . But. The moment I announce that I'm going to make my own fuel ( for personal use) half a dozen Govt agencies will raid my place ! Production of ethyl alcohol isnot possible without Govt license (which is not easy to get for an individual), payment of several duties and taxes and bribes on the side. Even if the farmers make alcohol on the sly, on second thoughts they would rather drink it than use for fuel. You know the types in India. On the commercial scale Indian Sugar Mills Assocn have half a million litres of surplus ethanol forE05 in the whole country but then theIndian oil corporation is still dragging its feet issuing purchase tenders for ethanol. So these are the ground realities here. Still I keep hoping it will change in due course. Regards, Subramanian "Pannirselvam P.V" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Manick I am native of South India.It is very true that Malaysia and India,the fuel alcohol can be mis used as the drinks. Brazil , where I live now ,here too are making alcohol for local consume and exportation as the alcoholic drinks and fuel made from sugarcane and fruits as both are the needs In south India where there is always power cut expected more than 30 porcent , locally made distilled home made alcohol, the municipal government can buy and use for transport and power generation. You are showing the real problem of corrupt practice there .Thus local use of ethanol for fuel instead of commercial use can solve the powercut there.This is need decentralised development of municipality.Only private company need to do all , under corrupted some political party not bothered about real problem of energy development. Based on traditional local home made alcohol , India can produce as much as Brazil (2 bilhoes liter of alcohol for food and fuel) and can solve the energy crisis.The farmer need to put light in the night and make plantation in India where as the farmer from USA, France and Europe has government financial help.Manick , surely India and can make possible the home made decentralised bio ethanol that thus make using pot , to put in their small motorised bicycle , thus making them independent to get away the poverty and all corrupted petroleum business , which is the root cause of the poverty, making people dependence on imported fuel that they can not pay. I wish to request Keith to publish via our list members from India about the low cost pot distillation, as this so simple and low cost ,any one can made fuel in their home based on this pot made tradicional alcohol which had made and making making story of so many tragedy and death of alcohol addiction .But this bad story can be made to be real a solution for the energy crysis sdPannirselvam On 9/10/05, Manick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tq Chris, My reason for posting is to stimulate interestto convince other group members to undertake ethanol and power generation projects.I am not in a position to dothem here in Malaysia or India, countries full of skull-duggering and dangerof losing all the investment due to fraudulent practices by the unscrupulous, without recourse to justice. I could give pages and pages of bad business ethics. It is very bad here which is the main reason this country is in languishing thedoldrums. The best I can do is to convince members that these concepts are viable and that there is great need to now to find alternatives to petroleum fuels. Cheers Manickh Chris lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey! i just remembered, homebrew champagne makers are cautioned to make surethat all yeast has been killed before finla bottling, lest continued fermentation generate so much pressure that it pops the cork. That cannot be right as to do so would leave you with flat champagne, you need the secondary fermentation to make any wine/beer fizzy. Champagne bottles have their corks wired on anyway. Chris.Wessex Ferret Clubwww.wessexferretclub.co.uk ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___Biofuel mailing
Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel
Hello Pannir and all Hellow Keith Thank you very much for your kind reply. You're welcome, I hope we manage to do it. As Manick is from India , As Manick is from Malasia and also he move often there I have written to him about your dedicated to help all the farmer in the world , the only one such in net. Thankyou Pan, fortunately there are many projects, of many different kinds. Doesn't the same thing happen in Brazil too? And in Africa? Fermentation is the same as you think.But the distillation has three pot the bigpot wood fired at the bottom , the intermediate size pot at the top as the condensor with water and the small pot inside big one under the watercondensing pot with some suport The foto can make the understandin well . May be our list members can improve the degin . Have you seen this? http://www.manalagi.com/jamesplace/indonesia/sopi/index.html Culture Corner Archive: Makin' Moonshine ... from the juice of the lontar palm, in Indonesia. The other project I need help from you is to make solid gelbiofuel using the waste from Bio D process as this require low cost stoves I don't know how to do that. The biodiesel by-product cocktail burns, but not all of it burns and it doesn't burn very cleanly unless it's at high temperatures, much higher than in low cost stoves. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me9.html Journey to Forever's forced-air biofuel heater Prof. Michael Allen told me he thought it needed a burning temperature in excess of 1,000 deg C (1,800 deg F) and you will probably need a mean residence time in the Hot Box of about 5 seconds. And perhaps pre-heating and atomisation as well. I wish your hard work of JFT the great work need to have great future , making possible the links of people via web conference etc so that our journey together possible as I find JFT is simple useful and practical than many fotologs, weblogs . This list was our first network, it sure worked well. There are others too of various kinds, quite a lot of them. Some seem to be building themselves, offshoots. Organically grown. :-) Let me have the helping hand for your sleepless work But you always do Pan. Let's finish building the integrated small-scale biorefinery, fuel and food for local self-reliance. It's come a long way already. We've covered a lot of ground here this summer, with both fuel and food. We haven't built a biogas unit yet (next), nor distilled ethanol, but that's winter work anyway in Japan (we've found a local brewer to work with). Nor woodgas yet, also for winter. We've made good progress with project development in general, lots of changes coming I think. thanking you And you. Best wishes Keith yours Pannirselvasm Balaji can be of very much helpful and there are a lot of our list members . Yes, lots of Indian members, including many who don't post. They're welcome anyway of course, but maybe some of them can help with this. Best wishes Keith Thanking You Yours truely Pannirselvam On 9/10/05, Keith Addison mailto:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] orgmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel
Dear Manick I am native of South India.It is very true that Malaysia and India,the fuel alcohol can be mis used as the drinks. Brazil , where I live now ,here too are making alcohol for local consume and exportation as the alcoholic drinks and fuel made from sugarcane and fruits as both are the needs In south India where there is always power cut expected more than 30 porcent , locally made distilled home made alcohol, the municipal government can buy and use for transport and power generation. You are showing the real problem of corrupt practice there .Thus local use of ethanol for fuel instead of commercial use can solve the powercut there.This is need decentralised development of municipality.Only private company need to do all , under corrupted some political party not bothered about real problem of energy development. Based on traditional local home made alcohol , India can produce as much as Brazil (2 bilhoes liter of alcohol for food and fuel) and can solve the energy crisis.The farmer need to put light in the night and make plantation in India where as the farmer from USA, France and Europe has government financial help. Manick , surely India and can make possible the home made decentralised bio ethanol that thus make using pot , to put in their small motorised bicycle , thus making them independent to get away the poverty and all corrupted petroleum business , which is the root cause of the poverty, making people dependence on imported fuel that they can not pay. I wish to request Keith to publish via our list members from India about the low cost pot distillation, as this so simple and low cost ,any one can made fuel in their home based on this pot made tradicional alcohol which had made and making making story of so many tragedy and death of alcohol addiction .But this bad story can be made to be real a solution for the energy crysis sd Pannirselvam On 9/10/05, Manick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tq Chris, My reason for posting is to stimulate interestto convince other group members to undertake ethanol and power generation projects.I am not in a position to dothem here in Malaysia or India, countries full of skull-duggering and dangerof losing all the investment due to fraudulent practices by the unscrupulous, without recourse to justice. I could give pages and pages of bad business ethics. It is very bad here which is the main reason this country is in languishing thedoldrums. The best I can do is to convince members that these concepts are viable and that there is great need to now to find alternatives to petroleum fuels. Cheers ManickhChris lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey! i just remembered, homebrew champagne makers are cautioned to make surethat all yeast has been killed before finla bottling, lest continued fermentation generate so much pressure that it pops the cork. That cannot be right as to do so would leave you with flat champagne, you need the secondary fermentation to make any wine/beer fizzy. Champagne bottles have their corks wired on anyway. Chris.Wessex Ferret Clubwww.wessexferretclub.co.uk ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ --Pagandai V PannirselvamUniversidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRNDepartamento de Engenharia Química - DEQCentro de Tecnologia - CTPrograma de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPECAv. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus UniversitárioCEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - BrasilResidence :AvOdilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 CapimMacioEP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - BrasilTelefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal21032171557Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular8488145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel
Dear Pannir, Manick Dear Manick snip> Manick , surely India and can make possible the home made decentralised bio ethanol that thus make using pot , to put in their small motorised bicycle , thus making them independent to get away the poverty and all corrupted petroleum business , which is the root cause of the poverty, making people dependence on imported fuel that they can not pay. I wish to request Keith to publish via our list members from India about the low cost pot distillation, as this so simple and low cost ,any one can made fuel in their home based on this pot made tradicional alcohol which had made and making making story of so many tragedy and death of alcohol addiction .But this bad story can be made to be real a solution for the energy crysis It's one reason I first thought, years ago, that ethanol might be a better energy choice in 3rd World rural communities than biodiesel/SVO. The distilling technology is found just about everywhere, even if people won't admit it. Maybe it can also be improved and made safer - tragedies are common all over the world with sometimes scores of people being killed by badly made local liquor. I'd be happy to upload plans for a simple pot still anyone anywhere can make, if someone can provide the plans, and instructions for building and use, including fermenting, for common sugar and starch crops. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ sd Pannirselvam On 9/10/05, Manick Harris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tq Chris, My reason for posting is to stimulate interest to convince other group members to undertake ethanol and power generation projects.I am not in a position to do them here in Malaysia or India, countries full of skull-duggering and danger of losing all the investment due to fraudulent practices by the unscrupulous, without recourse to justice. I could give pages and pages of bad business ethics. It is very bad here which is the main reason this country is in languishing the doldrums. The best I can do is to convince members that these concepts are viable and that there is great need to now to find alternatives to petroleum fuels. Cheers Manickh Chris lloyd mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > hey! i just remembered, homebrew champagne makers are cautioned to make > sure that all yeast has been killed before finla bottling, lest continued fermentation generate so much pressure that it pops the cork. That cannot be right as to do so would leave you with flat champagne, you need the secondary fermentation to make any wine/beer fizzy. Champagne bottles have their corks wired on anyway. Chris. Wessex Ferret Club http://www.wessexferretclub.co.uk>www.wessexferretclub.co.uk ___ Biofuel mailing list mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/>Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ___ Biofuel mailing list mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitário CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal210 32171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular 84 88145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000
Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel
Hellow Keith Thank you very much for your kind reply. As Manick is from India , I am going to request him to make foto of this simple distillation using pot made by poor people of the soth of India. Balaji can be of very much helpful and there are a lot of our list members . Thanking You Yours truely Pannirselvam On 9/10/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V PannirselvamUniversidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRNDepartamento de Engenharia Química - DEQCentro de Tecnologia - CTPrograma de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPECAv. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus UniversitárioCEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - BrasilResidence :AvOdilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 CapimMacioEP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - BrasilTelefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal21032171557Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular8488145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel
Hello Pannir Hellow Keith Thank you very much for your kind reply. You're welcome, I hope we manage to do it. As Manick is from India , But Manick is from Malaysia. I am going to request him to make foto of this simple distillation using pot made by poor people of the soth of India. Doesn't the same thing happen in Brazil too? And in Africa? Balaji can be of very much helpful and there are a lot of our list members . Yes, lots of Indian members, including many who don't post. They're welcome anyway of course, but maybe some of them can help with this. Best wishes Keith Thanking You Yours truely Pannirselvam On 9/10/05, Keith Addison mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelist s.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainable lists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org /biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/http://www .mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitário CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal210 32171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular 84 88145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Alcohol:Food vs fuel
Hellow Keith Thank you very much for your kind reply. You're welcome, I hope we manage to do it. As Manick is from India ,As Manick is from Malasia and also he move often there I have written to him about your dedicated to help all the farmer in the world , the only one such in net. Doesn't the same thing happen in Brazil too? And in Africa? Fermentation is the same as you think.But the distillation has three pot the bigpot wood fired at the bottom , the intermediate size pot at the top as the condensor with water and the small pot inside big one under the watercondensing pot with some suport The foto can make the understandin well . May be our list members can improve the degin . The other project I need help from you is to make solid gelbiofuel using the waste from Bio D process as this require low cost stoves I wish your hard work of JFT the great work need to have great future , making possible the links of people via web conference etc so that our journey together possible as I find JFT is simple useful and practical than many fotologs, weblogs . Let me have the helping hand for your sleepless work thanking you yours Pannirselvasm Balaji can beof very much helpfuland there are a lot of ourlist members . Yes, lots of Indian members, including many who don't post. They'rewelcome anyway of course, but maybe some of them can help with this.Best wishesKeithThanking You Yours truely PannirselvamOn 9/10/05, Keith Addisonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:___Biofuel mailing listmailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelist s.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/http://www.mail- archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/--Pagandai V PannirselvamUniversidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRNDepartamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CTPrograma de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQGrupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPECAv. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus UniversitárioCEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - BrasilResidence :AvOdilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 CapimMacioEP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - BrasilTelefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal210 32171557Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770residencia 32171557 Cellular8488145083___ Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Pagandai V PannirselvamUniversidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Química - DEQCentro de Tecnologia - CTPrograma de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQGrupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPECAv. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitário CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - BrasilResidence :AvOdilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 CapimMacioEP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - BrasilTelefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal210 32171557Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular8488145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
