Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol
Hi Tom Irwin Dear Tom ,really very good your plan to make biofuel from Waste oil .As you are near by Brazil, you can think of the flexible car as this can run both form ethanol as well as the biogas which can be very made in small scale in the farm.Go ahead with the help of several experts from here as the small scale unit of our can be good start in the South America .For the same you can better make use of several recent information , thanks to Keith hard work to make our list archives much update , as this can solve half of hard problems to do practical woks in the field of Biofuel.I believe the south America can be the leader of the Biofuel using appropriate small bio refinery. Let us join to make this reality , with the help of this list members too as the wise peoples and all relevant informations needed are made possible here.Wishing you the best success. Yours truely Pannirselvam Natal, RN, Brasil. You can have Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Manick, Although I am an American, I live in Uruguay. There is no access to ethanol vehicles here as yet. Diesel vehicles definitely are available though heavily taxed. Plus this fits my overall scheme for making BioD in sufficient quantities to power an electric generator, my car and ultimately my tractor. The waste heat from the generator will heat hot water for house use and it's heating system. I'm lining up waste oil suppliers so I can have about 2000 or more liters per year available.The money I hope to save doing this will be put into the organic farm on high ground just outside the city. That's it in a nutshell. Tom Irwin From: Manick Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 02:21:06 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol Yes, after making temperature correction for waterat 25-30C I get 0.785 which is very near literature value of 0.7893 for ethanol andpure enough for mixing. Could you please enlighten me why you did not opt for E85 auto which I understand is available in USA?Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Manick, I just ran a density test. I got 0.7824g/cc vs. .7893g/cc from my CRC handbook. The original material is .7924g/cc. That's about a 10 or 12 % removal. with some slop for my measuring technique this might be good stuff. I'll try mixing it with gasolene next. Thanks all. Tom Irwin From: Manick Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:00:26 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol Hello Tom, May I offer unorthodox solution? Try to measure the specific gravity and density using specific gravity bottle. If it matches sg of pure ethanol you are there for practical purposes, unless you are aiming for AR quality..Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I finally found a source of 3A molecular sieve. It´s been sitting in 95% ethanol overnight. How do I test the ethanol to see if I removed the 5% water? Simple mass balance? I don´t have a Karl Fisher titrator. BTW, I used the recommended 250 grams of 3A per liter of ethanol. Thanks, Tom Irwin___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Pagandai V PannirselvamUniversidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRNDepartamento de Engenharia Química - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CTPrograma de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQGrupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPECAv. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus UniversitárioCEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence :AvOdilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 CapimMacioEP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - BrasilTelefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215
Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol
You need to measure the volume and density after and before adosrption and use the pubblished tables to calculate the conecntration and the make mass balance as you pointed out Yours truely Pannirselvam Natal, RN, Brasil. On 9/1/05, Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I finally found a source of 3A molecular sieve. It´s been sitting in 95% ethanol overnight. How do I test the ethanol to see if I removed the 5% water? Simple mass balance? I don´t have a Karl Fisher titrator. BTW, I used the recommended 250 grams of 3A per liter of ethanol. Thanks, Tom Irwin ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V PannirselvamUniversidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRNDepartamento de Engenharia Química - DEQCentro de Tecnologia - CTPrograma de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPECAv. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus UniversitárioCEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - BrasilResidence :AvOdilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 CapimMacioEP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - BrasilTelefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal21032171557Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular8488145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol
Hi Manick, Although I am an American, I live in Uruguay. There is no access to ethanol vehicles here as yet. Diesel vehicles definitely are available though heavily taxed. Plus this fits my overall scheme for making BioD in sufficient quantities to power an electric generator, my car and ultimately my tractor. The waste heat from the generator will heat hot water for house use and it's heating system. I'm lining up waste oil suppliers so I can have about 2000 or more liters per year available.The money I hope to save doing this will be put into the organic farm on high ground just outside the city. That's it in a nutshell. Tom Irwin From: Manick Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 02:21:06 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol Yes, after making temperature correction for waterat 25-30C I get 0.785 which is very near literature value of 0.7893 for ethanol andpure enough for mixing. Could you please enlighten me why you did not opt for E85 auto which I understand is available in USA?Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Manick, I just ran a density test. I got 0.7824g/cc vs. .7893g/cc from my CRC handbook. The original material is .7924g/cc. That's about a 10 or 12 % removal. with some slop for my measuring technique this might be good stuff. I'll try mixing it with gasolene next. Thanks all. Tom Irwin From: Manick Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:00:26 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol Hello Tom, May I offer unorthodox solution? Try to measure the specific gravity and density using specific gravity bottle. If it matches sg of pure ethanol you are there for practical purposes, unless you are aiming for AR quality..Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I finally found a source of 3A molecular sieve. It´s been sitting in 95% ethanol overnight. How do I test the ethanol to see if I removed the 5% water? Simple mass balance? I don´t have a Karl Fisher titrator. BTW, I used the recommended 250 grams of 3A per liter of ethanol. Thanks, Tom Irwin___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Drying ethanol
Hi All, I finally found a source of 3A molecular sieve. It´s been sitting in 95% ethanol overnight. How do I test the ethanol to see if I removed the 5% water? Simple mass balance? I don´t have a Karl Fisher titrator. BTW, I used the recommended 250 grams of 3A per liter of ethanol. Thanks, Tom Irwin___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol
See if it will blend with gas. it will seperate if not. From: Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/01 Thu AM 05:54:53 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol Hi All, I finally found a source of 3A molecular sieve. It´s been sitting in 95% ethanol overnight. How do I test the ethanol to see if I removed the 5% water? Simple mass balance? I don´t have a Karl Fisher titrator. BTW, I used the recommended 250 grams of 3A per liter of ethanol. Thanks, Tom Irwin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol
Hello Tom, May I offer unorthodox solution? Try to measure the specific gravity and density using specific gravity bottle. If it matches sg of pure ethanol you are there for practical purposes, unless you are aiming for AR quality..Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I finally found a source of 3A molecular sieve. It´s been sitting in 95% ethanol overnight. How do I test the ethanol to see if I removed the 5% water? Simple mass balance? I don´t have a Karl Fisher titrator. BTW, I used the recommended 250 grams of 3A per liter of ethanol. Thanks, Tom Irwin___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol
Use olny a small amount in a test tube to mix with gas, , if it does not mix use another 250 grams of 3A and let sit overnite again, throw the gas mixture away, From: Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/09/01 Thu AM 05:54:53 EDT To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol Hi All, I finally found a source of 3A molecular sieve. It´s been sitting in 95% ethanol overnight. How do I test the ethanol to see if I removed the 5% water? Simple mass balance? I don´t have a Karl Fisher titrator. BTW, I used the recommended 250 grams of 3A per liter of ethanol. Thanks, Tom Irwin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol
Thanks Manick, I just ran a density test. I got 0.7824g/cc vs. .7893g/cc from my CRC handbook. The original material is .7924g/cc. That's about a 10 or 12 % removal. with some slop for my measuring technique this might be good stuff. I'll try mixing it with gasolene next. Thanks all. Tom Irwin From: Manick Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:00:26 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol Hello Tom, May I offer unorthodox solution? Try to measure the specific gravity and density using specific gravity bottle. If it matches sg of pure ethanol you are there for practical purposes, unless you are aiming for AR quality..Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I finally found a source of 3A molecular sieve. It´s been sitting in 95% ethanol overnight. How do I test the ethanol to see if I removed the 5% water? Simple mass balance? I don´t have a Karl Fisher titrator. BTW, I used the recommended 250 grams of 3A per liter of ethanol. Thanks, Tom Irwin___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol
make sure your density measurements are done at the same temperature as the standard values, usually 20 degrees C. (density is quite temperature sensitive) Tom Irwin wrote: Thanks Manick, I just ran a density test. I got 0.7824g/cc vs. .7893g/cc from my CRC handbook. The original material is .7924g/cc. That's about a 10 or 12 % removal. with some slop for my measuring technique this might be good stuff. I'll try mixing it with gasolene next. Thanks all. Tom Irwin *From:* Manick Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:00:26 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol Hello Tom, May I offer unorthodox solution? Try to measure the specific gravity and density using specific gravity bottle. If it matches sg of pure ethanol you are there for practical purposes, unless you are aiming for AR quality.. */Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] javascript:kh6k0(new,[EMAIL PROTECTED])/* wrote: Hi All, I finally found a source of 3A molecular sieve. It´s been sitting in 95% ethanol overnight. How do I test the ethanol to see if I removed the 5% water? Simple mass balance? I don´t have a Karl Fisher titrator. BTW, I used the recommended 250 grams of 3A per liter of ethanol. Thanks, Tom Irwin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org javascript:kh6k0(new,Biofuel@sustainablelists.org) http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com http://mail.yahoo.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol
Hi Bob,
All were taken at the same temperature 22 C.
Tom Irwin
From: bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:06:40 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanolmake sure your density measurements are done at the same temperature as the standard values, usually 20 degrees C. (density is quite temperature sensitive)Tom Irwin wrote: Thanks Manick, I just ran a density test. I got 0.7824g/cc vs. .7893g/cc from my CRC handbook. The original material is .7924g/cc. That's about a 10 or 12 % removal. with some slop for my measuring technique this might be good stuff. I'll try mixing it with gasolene next. Thanks all. Tom Irwin *From:* Manick Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:00:26 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol Hello Tom, May I offer unorthodox solution? Try to measure the specific gravity and density using specific gravity bottle. If it matches sg of pure ethanol you are there for practical purposes, unless you are aiming for AR quality.. */Tom Irwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <_javascript_:kh6k0("new","[EMAIL PROTECTED]")>/* wrote: Hi All, I finally found a source of 3A molecular sieve. It´s been sitting in 95% ethanol overnight. How do I test the ethanol to see if I removed the 5% water? Simple mass balance? I don´t have a Karl Fisher titrator. BTW, I used the recommended 250 grams of 3A per liter of ethanol. Thanks, Tom Irwin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org <_javascript_:kh6k0("new","Biofuel@sustainablelists.org")> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allenhttp://ozarker.org/bob"Science is what we have learned about how to keepfrom fooling ourselves" — Richard Feynman___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol
--- Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Manick, I just ran a density test. I got 0.7824g/cc vs. .7893g/cc from my CRC handbook. The original material is .7924g/cc. That's about a 10 or 12 % removal. with some slop for my measuring technique this might be good stuff. I'll try mixing it with gasolene next. Thanks all. The accurate way is to use a distiller's hydrometer -- do a google search and buy one on the web. Also works to check your methanol (a good idea if you're recovering excess methanol), since the S.G.'s are nearly the same. -K __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol
Yes, after making temperature correction for waterat 25-30C I get 0.785 which is very near literature value of 0.7893 for ethanol andpure enough for mixing. Could you please enlighten me why you did not opt for E85 auto which I understand is available in USA?Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Manick, I just ran a density test. I got 0.7824g/cc vs. .7893g/cc from my CRC handbook. The original material is .7924g/cc. That's about a 10 or 12 % removal. with some slop for my measuring technique this might be good stuff. I'll try mixing it with gasolene next. Thanks all. Tom Irwin From: Manick Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:00:26 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Drying ethanol Hello Tom, May I offer unorthodox solution? Try to measure the specific gravity and density using specific gravity bottle. If it matches sg of pure ethanol you are there for practical purposes, unless you are aiming for AR quality..Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I finally found a source of 3A molecular sieve. It´s been sitting in 95% ethanol overnight. How do I test the ethanol to see if I removed the 5% water? Simple mass balance? I don´t have a Karl Fisher titrator. BTW, I used the recommended 250 grams of 3A per liter of ethanol. Thanks, Tom Irwin___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[biofuel] Drying ethanol - was Re: Biodiesel made from ethanol
Anhydrous Ethanol!!. Heh fellers, had to chop in here with my two cents worth. They best that you can get by distillation is about 95% ethanol. Its all about azeotropes. But then you use a dessicant to take out the rest. Roast some rice grains in the oven until they crackle and add them to the ethanol . best stuff is Silica gel. Which you can also regenrate in the oven for the next round. Cheers, Ken C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's been lots of talk about this - corn grits, lime, molecular sieves (3A zeolite) and more, but we don't hear of any results (try an archive search for zeolite). Do you actually have a reliable method for producing 99%+ ethanol with rice grains or silica gel? Like a step-by-step how-to? See: Cornmeal Adsorber for Dehydrating Ethanol Vapors http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_grits.html The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel - see Chapter 12, Drying the alcohol: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual_ToC.html Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ - Original Message - From: David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel made from ethanol Hanns, The only way you can make Biodiesel from palm oil and ethanol using this method is using anhydrous ethanol (dried ethanol ie. 100% or almost 100% ethanol) which is not feasible for the small producer and is too dear to buy in. (It only becomes feasible to produce when you are a commercial brewer and you produce large volumes). Eventually the situation will change but in the meantime go with the method using methoxide catalyst made from sodium hydroxide (caustic soda, or lye, and methanol) rather than potassium hydroxide and ethanol. B.r., David Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
