Re: [Biofuel] I am Not A Christian-was This isn't the real America, by JC
As for what is Christendom and what isn't? It becomes apparent that there are two Christs, at least if persons professing Christianity are any indicator. That's a pretty unreliable standard, Todd. Oh, I don't know about that Robert. So, we have the tough love Jesus who would assassinate national leaders, torture unknown enemies and drop bombs on entire civilian populations in order to bring them closer to no, not god..., westernized democracy. Then we have the historical Jesus who would let each individual's heart convict him or herself. As both are worlds apart, they either must be two separate deities or Jesus was a schizophrenic who managed to pull the wool over everyone's eyes for the past two millenia But that latter possibility can't really be considered in all honesty, now can it? (?ti nac rO) Support of the former premise comes from the Jerry Falwells, Pat Robertsons, James Dobsons and George Bushs of the world who were obviously granted their authority by God. But when the dots are connected amongst these gurus, it becomes pretty obvious that their god or their Jesus isn't the one out of the New King James version. Given the common belief that God makes no mistakes and inevitably cannot be wrong, then their god surely must exist because he or she put them in these positions of power - surely to do his or her work. And given that everyone already knows that a god of compassion has been in existence since time began, the logical conclusion is that there must be two gods - their god and everyone else's. So let's be honest Robert. Since we all know that God is in control, then let's stop trying to find excuses and assessing blame against what some would like to call conniving, manipulative, deceiving humans under the spell of evil powers for what is obviously the work of at least one of two gods. ?keehc ni eugnoT Todd Swearingen No. I'm not a pacifist. I'm just allergic to pain. Appal Energy wrote: Robert, Well, actually, it isn't supposed to be a Christian country. And it's supposed to not be that by design. The Constitution specifically prohibits the establishment of religion, so the whole debate in R^3 circles about dominion and the United States functioning as an agent of God on earth is not only ludicrous, it's moot. As for what is Christendom and what isn't? It becomes apparent that there are two Christs, at least if persons professing Christianity are any indicator. That's a pretty unreliable standard, Todd. I prefer to examine the evidence of attitude and behavior and make a judgment accordingly. Being a Christian involves self sacrifice and love. The self serving, hateful attitudes trumpeted as Christian are, quite simply, anti-Christian. But then again, to paraphrase a great thinker from the age of enlightenment, I think. Therefore I could be wrong. : ) !!! We would serve ourselves very well if we (as in all) returned to that place with some frequency in the pursuit of social order, rather than letting a select few dismantle the fabric of what could be a perfectly good country evidencing continual improvement rather increasing decay. On this we agree. The R^3 crowd has been indoctrinated to believe that they are carrying out the will of God in imposing their view of morality on the rest of us. You and I stand shoulder to shoulder in our opposition to them. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I am Not A Christian-was This isn't the real America, by JC
Appal Energy wrote: Oh, I don't know about that Robert. So, we have the tough love Jesus who would assassinate national leaders, torture unknown enemies and drop bombs on entire civilian populations in order to bring them closer to no, not god..., westernized democracy. That alone should be enough to convince you and anyone who is serious that people who advocate such actions are NOT Christians. It's similar to being pregnant, in that Christianity is an either / or proposition. Follow Christ, or follow the world. You can tell who these people are following by their deeds and attitudes. Then we have the historical Jesus who would let each individual's heart convict him or herself. As both are worlds apart, they either must be two separate deities or Jesus was a schizophrenic who managed to pull the wool over everyone's eyes for the past two millenia But that latter possibility can't really be considered in all honesty, now can it? (?ti nac rO) Support of the former premise comes from the Jerry Falwells, Pat Robertsons, James Dobsons and George Bushs of the world who were obviously granted their authority by God. But when the dots are connected amongst these gurus, it becomes pretty obvious that their god or their Jesus isn't the one out of the New King James version. Here's a possibility that you haven't considered: The leaders you've outlined above are controlled by satanic forces using the cloak of religion to deceive their followers. This kind of thing has been going on as long as religion has existed! Jesus himself had pretty harsh words for hypocrites like them. Given the common belief that God makes no mistakes and inevitably cannot be wrong, then their god surely must exist because he or she put them in these positions of power - surely to do his or her work. And given that everyone already knows that a god of compassion has been in existence since time began, the logical conclusion is that there must be two gods - their god and everyone else's. So let's be honest Robert. Since we all know that God is in control, then let's stop trying to find excuses and assessing blame against what some would like to call conniving, manipulative, deceiving humans under the spell of evil powers for what is obviously the work of at least one of two gods. I think we are agreeing on the same thing from two differing perspectives, Todd. (This is often the case between you and I.) I don't excuse the nefarious behavior of pseudo-Christians--people who claim God's name yet deny his transforming power--it disgusts me as much as it does you. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I am Not A Christian-was This isn't the real America, by JC
Well, the God of the Old Testament and the God of the new are somewhat different. The God of Abraham and Isaac seems a little grumpier than the one I was raised with. robert luis rabello wrote: Appal Energy wrote: Oh, I don't know about that Robert. So, we have the tough love Jesus who would assassinate national leaders, torture unknown enemies and drop bombs on entire civilian populations in order to bring them closer to no, not god..., westernized democracy. That alone should be enough to convince you and anyone who is serious that people who advocate such actions are NOT Christians. It's similar to being pregnant, in that Christianity is an either / or proposition. Follow Christ, or follow the world. You can tell who these people are following by their deeds and attitudes. Then we have the historical Jesus who would let each individual's heart convict him or herself. As both are worlds apart, they either must be two separate deities or Jesus was a schizophrenic who managed to pull the wool over everyone's eyes for the past two millenia But that latter possibility can't really be considered in all honesty, now can it? (?ti nac rO) Support of the former premise comes from the Jerry Falwells, Pat Robertsons, James Dobsons and George Bushs of the world who were obviously granted their authority by God. But when the dots are connected amongst these gurus, it becomes pretty obvious that their god or their Jesus isn't the one out of the New King James version. Here's a possibility that you haven't considered: The leaders you've outlined above are controlled by satanic forces using the cloak of religion to deceive their followers. This kind of thing has been going on as long as religion has existed! Jesus himself had pretty harsh words for hypocrites like them. Given the common belief that God makes no mistakes and inevitably cannot be wrong, then their god surely must exist because he or she put them in these positions of power - surely to do his or her work. And given that everyone already knows that a god of compassion has been in existence since time began, the logical conclusion is that there must be two gods - their god and everyone else's. So let's be honest Robert. Since we all know that God is in control, then let's stop trying to find excuses and assessing blame against what some would like to call conniving, manipulative, deceiving humans under the spell of evil powers for what is obviously the work of at least one of two gods. I think we are agreeing on the same thing from two differing perspectives, Todd. (This is often the case between you and I.) I don't excuse the nefarious behavior of pseudo-Christians--people who claim God's name yet deny his transforming power--it disgusts me as much as it does you. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I am Not A Christian-was This isn't the real America, by JC
Robert, All this has been with tongue in cheek with a bit of a rueful grin, simply pointing to the hypocrisy of professed leaders, showing that they are unfit for positions of leadership if only due to the broad(ening) chasm between their professions and reality. I'm not going to argue whether there is or isn't a god or multiple gods, much less whether God is masculine or feminine. Just stating that their actions belie their words. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy wrote: Oh, I don't know about that Robert. So, we have the tough love Jesus who would assassinate national leaders, torture unknown enemies and drop bombs on entire civilian populations in order to bring them closer to no, not god..., westernized democracy. That alone should be enough to convince you and anyone who is serious that people who advocate such actions are NOT Christians. It's similar to being pregnant, in that Christianity is an either / or proposition. Follow Christ, or follow the world. You can tell who these people are following by their deeds and attitudes. Then we have the historical Jesus who would let each individual's heart convict him or herself. As both are worlds apart, they either must be two separate deities or Jesus was a schizophrenic who managed to pull the wool over everyone's eyes for the past two millenia But that latter possibility can't really be considered in all honesty, now can it? (?ti nac rO) Support of the former premise comes from the Jerry Falwells, Pat Robertsons, James Dobsons and George Bushs of the world who were obviously granted their authority by God. But when the dots are connected amongst these gurus, it becomes pretty obvious that their god or their Jesus isn't the one out of the New King James version. Here's a possibility that you haven't considered: The leaders you've outlined above are controlled by satanic forces using the cloak of religion to deceive their followers. This kind of thing has been going on as long as religion has existed! Jesus himself had pretty harsh words for hypocrites like them. Given the common belief that God makes no mistakes and inevitably cannot be wrong, then their god surely must exist because he or she put them in these positions of power - surely to do his or her work. And given that everyone already knows that a god of compassion has been in existence since time began, the logical conclusion is that there must be two gods - their god and everyone else's. So let's be honest Robert. Since we all know that God is in control, then let's stop trying to find excuses and assessing blame against what some would like to call conniving, manipulative, deceiving humans under the spell of evil powers for what is obviously the work of at least one of two gods. I think we are agreeing on the same thing from two differing perspectives, Todd. (This is often the case between you and I.) I don't excuse the nefarious behavior of pseudo-Christians--people who claim God's name yet deny his transforming power--it disgusts me as much as it does you. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I am Not A Christian-was This isn't the real America, by JC
Appal Energy wrote: Robert, All this has been with tongue in cheek with a bit of a rueful grin, simply pointing to the hypocrisy of professed leaders, showing that they are unfit for positions of leadership if only due to the broad(ening) chasm between their professions and reality. Can I say amen to that? I'm not going to argue whether there is or isn't a god or multiple gods, much less whether God is masculine or feminine. Nor would I want you to . . . (Though it might be an interesting discussion.) Just stating that their actions belie their words. How true! Not everyone who says to me: 'Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father. It's clearly God's will to look after widows, fatherless children and the poor. (In the words of Isaiah: Maintain justice. Do what is right!) The connection between these actions and bombing families into oblivion escapes me, and I like to think of myself as a reasonably intelligent person . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I am Not A Christian-was This isn't the real America, by JC
God is a Flying Spaghetti Monster and them that don't repent shall fry in ever-lasting torment. With a little olive oil and garlic I might add. obert luis rabello wrote: Appal Energy wrote: Robert, All this has been with tongue in cheek with a bit of a rueful grin, simply pointing to the hypocrisy of professed leaders, showing that they are unfit for positions of leadership if only due to the broad(ening) chasm between their professions and reality. Can I say amen to that? I'm not going to argue whether there is or isn't a god or multiple gods, much less whether God is masculine or feminine. Nor would I want you to . . . (Though it might be an interesting discussion.) Just stating that their actions belie their words. How true! Not everyone who says to me: 'Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father. It's clearly God's will to look after widows, fatherless children and the poor. (In the words of Isaiah: Maintain justice. Do what is right!) The connection between these actions and bombing families into oblivion escapes me, and I like to think of myself as a reasonably intelligent person . . . robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I am Not A Christian-was This isn't the real America, by JC
Mike, Were you wearing your pirate suit while making that proclamation? fredOn 11/17/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God is a Flying Spaghetti Monster and them that don't repent shall fryin ever-lasting torment.With a little olive oil and garlic I might add.obert luis rabello wrote:Appal Energy wrote: Robert,All this has been with tongue in cheek with a bit of a rueful grin,simply pointing to the hypocrisy of professed leaders, showing that they are unfit for positions of leadership if only due to thebroad(ening) chasm between their professions and reality. Can I say amen to that? I'm not going to argue whether there is or isn't a god or multiple gods,much less whether God is masculine or feminine. Nor would I want you to . . .(Though it might be an interesting discussion.)Just stating that theiractions belie their words. How true! Not everyone who says to me: 'Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom ofHeaven, but only those who do the will of my Father.It's clearlyGod's will to look after widows, fatherless children and the poor. (In the words of Isaiah: Maintain justice.Do what is right!)Theconnection between these actions and bombing families into oblivionescapes me, and I like to think of myself as a reasonably intelligent person . . .robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I am Not A Christian-was This isn't the real America, by JC
Yarr!On 11/17/05, Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, Were you wearing your pirate suit while making that proclamation? fredOn 11/17/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God is a Flying Spaghetti Monster and them that don't repent shall fryin ever-lasting torment.With a little olive oil and garlic I might add. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I am Not A Christian-was This isn't the real America, by JC
You are referring God and His Laws in the OT versus The Son of God and His Teachings in the NT? - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] I am Not A Christian-was This isn't the real America, by JC Well, the God of the Old Testament and the God of the new are somewhat different. The God of Abraham and Isaac seems a little grumpier than the one I was raised with. robert luis rabello wrote: Appal Energy wrote: Oh, I don't know about that Robert. So, we have the tough love Jesus who would assassinate national leaders, torture unknown enemies and drop bombs on entire civilian populations in order to bring them closer to no, not god..., westernized democracy. That alone should be enough to convince you and anyone who is serious that people who advocate such actions are NOT Christians. It's similar to being pregnant, in that Christianity is an either / or proposition. Follow Christ, or follow the world. You can tell who these people are following by their deeds and attitudes. Then we have the historical Jesus who would let each individual's heart convict him or herself. As both are worlds apart, they either must be two separate deities or Jesus was a schizophrenic who managed to pull the wool over everyone's eyes for the past two millenia But that latter possibility can't really be considered in all honesty, now can it? (?ti nac rO) Support of the former premise comes from the Jerry Falwells, Pat Robertsons, James Dobsons and George Bushs of the world who were obviously granted their authority by God. But when the dots are connected amongst these gurus, it becomes pretty obvious that their god or their Jesus isn't the one out of the New King James version. Here's a possibility that you haven't considered: The leaders you've outlined above are controlled by satanic forces using the cloak of religion to deceive their followers. This kind of thing has been going on as long as religion has existed! Jesus himself had pretty harsh words for hypocrites like them. Given the common belief that God makes no mistakes and inevitably cannot be wrong, then their god surely must exist because he or she put them in these positions of power - surely to do his or her work. And given that everyone already knows that a god of compassion has been in existence since time began, the logical conclusion is that there must be two gods - their god and everyone else's. So let's be honest Robert. Since we all know that God is in control, then let's stop trying to find excuses and assessing blame against what some would like to call conniving, manipulative, deceiving humans under the spell of evil powers for what is obviously the work of at least one of two gods. I think we are agreeing on the same thing from two differing perspectives, Todd. (This is often the case between you and I.) I don't excuse the nefarious behavior of pseudo-Christians--people who claim God's name yet deny his transforming power--it disgusts me as much as it does you. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I am Not A Christian-was This isn't the real America, by JC
Just my tinfoil pirate hat. But with my pegleg and hook it's enough. Kurt Nolte wrote: Yarr! On 11/17/05, *Fred Finch* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, Were you wearing your pirate suit while making that proclamation? fred On 11/17/05, *Mike Weaver* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God is a Flying Spaghetti Monster and them that don't repent shall fry in ever-lasting torment. With a little olive oil and garlic I might add. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I am Not A Christian-was This isn't the real America, by JC
Good points Todd; I don't want to get a religious debate going here but could one go as far as to say that all organized religion is a hijacking of the truth regardless of who is doing it and what thier particular agenda is? I make a huge distinction between spirituality and religion. I am not religious but I am spiritual. Joe Appal Energy wrote: Actually Marylynn, It's all rather simple for those who tend to bend in the direction of Christendom. All that really needs to be asked is WWJD? Who would Jesus bomb? Who would Jesus execute? Who would Jesus stone? Where would Jesus drill? Would Jesus drill? Would Jesus seek alternatives? Would Jesus think beyond quarterly profits? Again, all rather simple. Anything contrary to that certainly isn't Christendom. And oddly enough? People are starting to wake up and take notice that their religion has been hijacked. Not really much different and perhaps no different at all than Islam being hijacked by an equally select few. Am I the only one who finds the parallels all too remarkable? Todd Swearingen My karma ran over your dogma. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I am Not A Christian-was This isn't the real America, by JC
Appal Energy wrote: Robert, Well, actually, it isn't supposed to be a Christian country. And it's supposed to not be that by design. The Constitution specifically prohibits the establishment of religion, so the whole debate in R^3 circles about dominion and the United States functioning as an agent of God on earth is not only ludicrous, it's moot. As for what is Christendom and what isn't? It becomes apparent that there are two Christs, at least if persons professing Christianity are any indicator. That's a pretty unreliable standard, Todd. I prefer to examine the evidence of attitude and behavior and make a judgment accordingly. Being a Christian involves self sacrifice and love. The self serving, hateful attitudes trumpeted as Christian are, quite simply, anti-Christian. But then again, to paraphrase a great thinker from the age of enlightenment, I think. Therefore I could be wrong. : ) !!! We would serve ourselves very well if we (as in all) returned to that place with some frequency in the pursuit of social order, rather than letting a select few dismantle the fabric of what could be a perfectly good country evidencing continual improvement rather increasing decay. On this we agree. The R^3 crowd has been indoctrinated to believe that they are carrying out the will of God in imposing their view of morality on the rest of us. You and I stand shoulder to shoulder in our opposition to them. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
