Re: [Biofuel] Plastic solar cells using reused plastics and biofuel making
Hi Pannirselvam; I don't see any reason why the electricity needed for your BD production cannot come from a P.V. source, but in order to make it useful you will need significantly more P.V. capacity than needed for one production run if you wish to have the flexibility to run it at any time. This means battery storage and if your plastic P.V. arrays are in the 3% efficiency range you will need a large array, but other than this I do not see why it should not be attempted. Joe Pannirselvam P.V wrote: Hi Joe, Keith and ALL The reuse of Plastics (PET) after adequate thermal treatment has been showed to be very good charge transport used successfully together with conventional silicon PV system reducing the cost and may possible to be home made .. Thus significative cost reduction has been made by this system by the research done in Brasil..We are starting our research to work on this novel system to be used to heat the BioD reactor to make simple heating bio oil fuel to be used in rural areas .This oil will be to be used with novel biofuel dried oil solid /stove designed with hih temperature combustion with lower fuel consumption to be used in remote por village as an alternate to ethanol solid gel fuel and wish to have collaboration from our list members for colaborative research and development as this is our Master cousre research study for 2006 and 2008.Any novel ideas from experiencied are welcome as we are very new to some systems and the system integration We wish to share our master student Johnson experience with you who has 4 year practical experience to make the reused polymer PV system for small scale electrical PV system in Brasil , who have demonstrated the device in natcional and international fair and has owned the award for the best product in national level We have already made good progress in the design work of these three system , yet need collaboration to implement our system as this need low investments and reuse of waste to get both electricity, liquid and solid fuel as 50 percent of our state people live with out electricity and have green future . Can Keith can bring here about anyone work using solar PV for BioD making any where? This can make our debate here much more dynamic and alive . His words is always very effective catalyst to move any topic good or bad to the positive collaborative constructional path towards a good journey for all our list members , bringing to us the latest innovative biofuel related projects to make our work more practical , less failure and lees work for all of us. Thanking Keith in advance ,for his dedicated hard work to reply almost all post and also for his reply to this post too.. As our list is the only list of heterogenius one , so we can be the wining team fo the truely globalised biofuel and rural sustained development and I wish the proposed system design need not limited to our small group which is in the less developed north east of Brazil , but as the best system to address the fuel crisis in all rural area of our globlazied one country of our planet. sd Pannirselvam Brasil sd Pannirselvam On 10/14/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well yes I guess you could say an increase in efficiency from 3 to 4.4 % is almost a 50% increase. That IS dramatic but what is it ol' foghorn leghorn used to say? .two half nothin's is a whole nuthin. LOL Still vacumm deposited aluminum for a cathode is cheap and lends itself nicely to mass production as does indium tin oxide or zinc oxide which forms the transparent conductor for the anode.The problem is in the polymer with charge transport.Of course a breakthrough could be right around the corner who knows?If we ever get above 10% efficiency with a production process this cheap it will be a happy day! Joe Snip According to the team, slow growth allows the polymer to self-organize, a process that dramatically boosts device efficiency. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : AvOdilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 CapimMacio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal210 32171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557
Re: [Biofuel] Plastic solar cells using reused plastics and biofuel making
Since most of the energy for BD production is heating (right? -- I haven't calculated out kilojoules used for different uses), I would use solar thermal collectors instead of PV. Small PV array to run the pumps/mixer etc. Solar thermal collectors are 40 - 80% efficient, so the area will be much smaller, and the temperature range is pretty ideally suited for biodiesel. Of course, then you need thermal storage too, but that's cheaper than batteries. On 10/17/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Pannirselvam; I don't see any reason why the electricity needed for your BD production cannot come from a P.V. source, but in order to make it useful you will need significantly more P.V. capacity than needed for one production run if you wish to have the flexibility to run it at any time. This means battery storage and if your plastic P.V. arrays are in the 3% efficiency range you will need a large array, but other than this I do not see why it should not be attempted. Joe Pannirselvam P.V wrote: Hi Joe, Keith and ALL The reuse of Plastics (PET) after adequate thermal treatment has been showed to be very good charge transport used successfully together with conventional silicon PV system reducing the cost and may possible to be home made .. Thus significative cost reduction has been made by this system by the research done in Brasil..We are starting our research to work on this novel system to be used to heat the BioD reactor to make simple heating bio oil fuel to be used in rural areas .This oil will be to be used with novel biofuel dried oil solid /stove designed with hih temperature combustion with lower fuel consumption to be used in remote por village as an alternate to ethanol solid gel fuel and wish to have collaboration from our list members for colaborative research and development as this is our Master cousre research study for 2006 and 2008.Any novel ideas from experiencied are welcome as we are very new to some systems and the system integration We wish to share our master student Johnson experience with you who has 4 year practical experience to make the reused polymer PV system for small scale electrical PV system in Brasil , who have demonstrated the device in natcional and international fair and has owned the award for the best product in national level We have already made good progress in the design work of these three system , yet need collaboration to implement our system as this need low investments and reuse of waste to get both electricity, liquid and solid fuel as 50 percent of our state people live with out electricity and have green future . Can Keith can bring here about anyone work using solar PV for BioD making any where? This can make our debate here much more dynamic and alive . His words is always very effective catalyst to move any topic good or bad to the positive collaborative constructional path towards a good journey for all our list members , bringing to us the latest innovative biofuel related projects to make our work more practical , less failure and lees work for all of us. Thanking Keith in advance ,for his dedicated hard work to reply almost all post and also for his reply to this post too.. As our list is the only list of heterogenius one , so we can be the wining team fo the truely globalised biofuel and rural sustained development and I wish the proposed system design need not limited to our small group which is in the less developed north east of Brazil , but as the best system to address the fuel crisis in all rural area of our globlazied one country of our planet. sd Pannirselvam Brasil sd Pannirselvam On 10/14/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well yes I guess you could say an increase in efficiency from 3 to 4.4 % is almost a 50% increase. That IS dramatic but what is it ol' foghorn leghorn used to say? .two half nothin's is a whole nuthin. LOL Still vacumm deposited aluminum for a cathode is cheap and lends itself nicely to mass production as does indium tin oxide or zinc oxide which forms the transparent conductor for the anode. The problem is in the polymer with charge transport. Of course a breakthrough could be right around the corner who knows? If we ever get above 10% efficiency with a production process this cheap it will be a happy day! Joe Snip According to the team, slow growth allows the polymer to self-organize, a process that dramatically boosts device efficiency. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Plastic solar cells using reused plastics and biofuel making
Piedmont Biofuels in Pittsboro NC used Solar. Works fine. They are friendly - you could call them. Joe Street wrote: Hi Pannirselvam; I don't see any reason why the electricity needed for your BD production cannot come from a P.V. source, but in order to make it useful you will need significantly more P.V. capacity than needed for one production run if you wish to have the flexibility to run it at any time. This means battery storage and if your plastic P.V. arrays are in the 3% efficiency range you will need a large array, but other than this I do not see why it should not be attempted. Joe Pannirselvam P.V wrote: Hi Joe, Keith and ALL The reuse of Plastics (PET) after adequate thermal treatment has been showed to be very good charge transport used successfully together with conventional silicon PV system reducing the cost and may possible to be home made .. Thus significative cost reduction has been made by this system by the research done in Brasil..We are starting our research to work on this novel system to be used to heat the BioD reactor to make simple heating bio oil fuel to be used in rural areas .This oil will be to be used with novel biofuel dried oil solid /stove designed with hih temperature combustion with lower fuel consumption to be used in remote por village as an alternate to ethanol solid gel fuel and wish to have collaboration from our list members for colaborative research and development as this is our Master cousre research study for 2006 and 2008.Any novel ideas from experiencied are welcome as we are very new to some systems and the system integration We wish to share our master student Johnson experience with you who has 4 year practical experience to make the reused polymer PV system for small scale electrical PV system in Brasil , who have demonstrated the device in natcional and international fair and has owned the award for the best product in national level We have already made good progress in the design work of these three system , yet need collaboration to implement our system as this need low investments and reuse of waste to get both electricity, liquid and solid fuel as 50 percent of our state people live with out electricity and have green future . Can Keith can bring here about anyone work using solar PV for BioD making any where? This can make our debate here much more dynamic and alive . His words is always very effective catalyst to move any topic good or bad to the positive collaborative constructional path towards a good journey for all our list members , bringing to us the latest innovative biofuel related projects to make our work more practical , less failure and lees work for all of us. Thanking Keith in advance ,for his dedicated hard work to reply almost all post and also for his reply to this post too.. As our list is the only list of heterogenius one , so we can be the wining team fo the truely globalised biofuel and rural sustained development and I wish the proposed system design need not limited to our small group which is in the less developed north east of Brazil , but as the best system to address the fuel crisis in all rural area of our globlazied one country of our planet. sd Pannirselvam Brasil sd Pannirselvam On 10/14/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well yes I guess you could say an increase in efficiency from 3 to 4.4 % is almost a 50% increase. That IS dramatic but what is it ol' foghorn leghorn used to say? .two half nothin's is a whole nuthin. LOL Still vacumm deposited aluminum for a cathode is cheap and lends itself nicely to mass production as does indium tin oxide or zinc oxide which forms the transparent conductor for the anode.The problem is in the polymer with charge transport.Of course a breakthrough could be right around the corner who knows?If we ever get above 10% efficiency with a production process this cheap it will be a happy day! Joe Snip According to the team, slow growth allows the polymer to self-organize, a process that dramatically boosts device efficiency. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence :
Re: [Biofuel] Plastic solar cells using reused plastics and biofuel making
Hi Joe, Keith and ALL The reuse of Plastics (PET) after adequate thermal treatment has been showed to be very good charge transport used successfully together with conventional silicon PV system reducing the cost and may possible to be home made .. Thus significative cost reduction has been made by this system by the research done in Brasil..We are starting our research to work on this novel system to be used to heat the BioD reactor to make simple heating bio oil fuel to be used in rural areas .This oil will be to be used with novel biofuel dried oil solid /stove designed with hih temperature combustion with lower fuel consumption to be used in remote por village as an alternate to ethanol solid gel fuel and wish to have collaboration from our list members for colaborative research and development as this is our Master cousre research study for 2006 and 2008.Any novel ideas from experiencied are welcome as we are very new to some systems and the system integration We wish to share our master student Johnson experience with you who has 4 year practical experience to make the reused polymer PV system for small scale electrical PV system in Brasil , who have demonstrated the device in natcional and international fair and has owned the award for the best product in national level We have already made good progress in the design work of these three system , yet need collaboration to implement our system as this need low investments and reuse of waste to get both electricity, liquid and solid fuel as 50 percent of our state people live with out electricity and have green future . Can Keith can bring here about anyone work using solar PV for BioD making any where? This can make our debate here much more dynamic and alive . His words is always very effective catalyst to move any topic good or bad to the positive collaborative constructional path towards a good journey for all our list members , bringing to us the latest innovative biofuel related projects to make our work more practical , less failure and lees work for all of us. Thanking Keith in advance ,for his dedicated hard work to reply almost all post and also for his reply to this post too.. As our list is the only list of heterogenius one , so we can be the wining team fo the truely globalised biofuel and rural sustained development and I wish the proposed system design need not limited to our small group which is in the less developed north east of Brazil , but as the best system to address the fuel crisis in all rural area of our globlazied one country of our planet. sd Pannirselvam Brasil sd Pannirselvam On 10/14/05, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well yes I guess you could say an increase in efficiency from 3 to 4.4 %is almost a 50% increase. That IS dramatic but what is it ol' foghornleghorn used to say? .two half nothin's is a whole nuthin. LOLStill vacumm deposited aluminum for a cathode is cheap and lends itself nicely to mass production as does indium tin oxide or zinc oxide whichforms the transparent conductor for the anode.The problem is in thepolymer with charge transport.Of course a breakthrough could be right around the corner who knows?If we ever get above 10% efficiency with aproduction process this cheap it will be a happy day!JoeSnip Accordingto the team, slow growth allows the polymer to self-organize, a process that dramatically boosts device efficiency.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Pagandai V PannirselvamUniversidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRNDepartamento de Engenharia Química - DEQCentro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Pós Graduação em Engenharia Química - PPGEQGrupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPECAv. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus UniversitárioCEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - BrasilResidence : AvOdilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 CapimMacioEP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - BrasilTelefone(fone ) ( 84 ) 3215-37690 Ramal21032171557Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 3215-3770 residencia 32171557 Cellular8488145083 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
