Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-10-20 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Ken, Monday, 18 October, 2004, 04:38:15, you wrote: KR --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US is no friend to anybody, when carefully looked at. They have NEVER ever done anything sacrificially in it's entire existance. KR You never heard of World War I or World War II

Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-10-18 Thread Ken Riznyk
--- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US is no friend to anybody, when carefully looked at. They have NEVER ever done anything sacrificially in it's entire existance. You never heard of World War I or World War II Ken ___ Do you

Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-10-02 Thread balaji
Hello Steve, - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel If a soldier decides not to fight in an illegal war, then he must be prepared to accept

Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-29 Thread Legal Eagle
- Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-29 Thread Legal Eagle
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and their infrastucture destroyed, their children slaughtered, air

Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-29 Thread Legal Eagle
- Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Hallo All, Tuesday, 28 September, 2004, 09:39:31, you

[Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-28 Thread rlbarber
Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and their infrastucture destroyed, their children slaughtered, air anw water polulted with depleted uranium with a shelf life of BILLIONS of yearsw for a lot less than what Israel has and is doing,snip Luc

Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-28 Thread Hakan Falk
Ron B., Soldiers follow orders and if they are killing women and children, it is not many who refuse to follow the orders. The culpable is the head that sets the rules, environment and issues the orders. US have no reason to claim any noble superiority in human warfare. The problem with US

Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-28 Thread rlbarber
Hi Hakan, Thanks for your reply, but Luc in a previous post (Why We Cannot Win), mentioned it was the duty of a soldier to refuse to fight in an illegal war. BTW- Did you happen to visit Da Lat, where pine trees grow and the weather is cool? Also, did you visit the villas and beaches of Vung

Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-28 Thread Hakan Falk
We started by arriving in Hanoi and spent 3 days there, made trip to the mountains and the 200 km long hydro power dam. At the lake in Hanoi it is a monument from when a US plane was shot down and the pilot parachuted into the city lake. Senator John Macain seams to have a good humor,

Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-28 Thread sspence
If a soldier decides not to fight in an illegal war, then he must be prepared to accept the consequences of that decision. It won't be pretty. = = = Original message = = = Hi Hakan, Thanks for your reply, but Luc in a previous post (Why We Cannot Win), mentioned it was the duty of a soldier

Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-28 Thread Keith Addison
Thanks for your reply, but Luc in a previous post (Why We Cannot Win), mentioned it was the duty of a soldier to refuse to fight in an illegal war. Is it a soldier's duty to do whatever he/she's told? BTW- Did you happen to visit Da Lat, where pine trees grow and the weather is cool? Also,

Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-28 Thread Hakan Falk
Steve, You are right and soldiers very seldom have a choice. Therefore the principle of responsibility for any atrocities must be carried all the way to the political and military top, which Bush and Co. seams to avoid. It is not a valid excuse to blame the soldiers, because they a trained

Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-28 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo All, Tuesday, 28 September, 2004, 09:39:31, you wrote: Hi Hakan, Thanks for your reply, but Luc in a previous post (Why We Cannot Win), mentioned it was the duty of a soldier to refuse to fight in an illegal war. KA Is it a soldier's duty to do whatever he/she's told? This is the

Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-28 Thread btmd
While you are on this subject...if you happen to cross paths where you live with some of the fine Canadian (Canadien) soldiers that were fighting side-by-side with the USA in Afghanistanwould you let your true feelings be heard and tell them in their face that they are murderers,

Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-28 Thread robert luis rabello
Hi Hakan, Thanks for your reply, but Luc in a previous post (Why We Cannot Win), mentioned it was the duty of a soldier to refuse to fight in an illegal war. Is it a soldier's duty to do whatever he/she's told? This was a popular defense at Nuremberg. The duty of a soldier to obey

Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-28 Thread Hakan Falk
Gustl, Well described and anyone who went trough military service must recognize this description, this regardless if they have been in action or not. Sweden have mandatory military service, but today it does not call in all youngsters, because of economic reasons. We are very lucky in

Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-28 Thread rlbarber
One of my best friends is a US soldier who recently returned from Iraq. He is a soldier who volunteered to protect his country and was ordered to instead go fight an illegal war. He is not a murderer, thug or baby killer, and I would fight anyone who called him such. On the other hand, I

RE: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-28 Thread Tim Ferguson
PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gustl Steiner-Zehender Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:15 AM To: Keith Addison Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Hallo All, Tuesday, 28 September, 2004, 09:39:31, you wrote: Hi Hakan, Thanks for your reply, but Luc

Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-28 Thread Greg Harbican
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 07:39 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Is it a soldier's duty to do whatever he/she's told? Hi Keith, Perhaps I can

Re: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-28 Thread Keith Addison
One of my best friends is a US soldier who recently returned from Iraq. He is a soldier who volunteered to protect his country and was ordered to instead go fight an illegal war. He is not a murderer, thug or baby killer, and I would fight anyone who called him such. On the other hand,

Re[2]: [Biofuel] Re: [Off Topic]US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel

2004-09-28 Thread Keith Addison
Yes, I agree, but I think it depends what's meant by duty. Duty isn't just orders and rules and punishments for breaking them. Unless a soldier sheds his humanity when he dons his uniform, his first duty is to be human. It's his conscience he has to listen to, regardless of the