Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
Bob, Yep, the opposite is true too. One can will people to be sick. The Russians did a lot of study on psy-war. I think our country did too. I mean, look at the nasty things our gov did with LSD studies on innocent people. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book my mind, my body, yes to a degree, but And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. surely you jest. if intercessory prayer can work to cure, ie change an individuals physiology, then shouldn't it be possible to have negative effects via prayer? Could I pray somebody sick? say dick chaney? ;- Mike Redler wrote: FYI: In the mid 90's I had a long commute to work and spent my time in the car listening to Bill Moyers in a series he did about the mind/body connection. This post reminded me of the work he did on that. -Redler Kirk McLoren wrote: *Reinventing Medicine by * Larry Dossey http://www.amazon.com/s/002-5739560-3156800?ie=UTF8index=booksrank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterankfield-author-exact=Larry%20Dossey Cue the theme song to the /Twilight Zone/: Research shows your plants won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying for someone else will improve your /own/ health, too. The growth of /E. coli/ bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think about stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other similarly mindboggling studies have been commissioned and /replicated/ by researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
D. Mindock wrote: Bob, Yep, the opposite is true too. there is such a thing as the nocebo effect, but there is nothing supernatural about it. One can will people to be sick. now you are talking about supernatural phenomena, and I don't believe it. If someone comes up with an explanation that doesn't violate simple physical pinciples, then it is no longer supernatural, and I am ok. The Russians did a lot of study on psy-war. and wasted there money I might add I think our country did too. I mean, look at the nasty things our gov did with LSD studies on innocent people. giving people drugs and wishing people ill are two entirely different animals. my comment about chaney was purely sarcasm, not reality. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book my mind, my body, yes to a degree, but And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. surely you jest. if intercessory prayer can work to cure, ie change an individuals physiology, then shouldn't it be possible to have negative effects via prayer? Could I pray somebody sick? say dick chaney? ;- Mike Redler wrote: FYI: In the mid 90's I had a long commute to work and spent my time in the car listening to Bill Moyers in a series he did about the mind/body connection. This post reminded me of the work he did on that. -Redler Kirk McLoren wrote: *Reinventing Medicine by * Larry Dossey http://www.amazon.com/s/002-5739560-3156800?ie=UTF8index=booksrank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterankfield-author-exact=Larry%20Dossey Cue the theme song to the /Twilight Zone/: Research shows your plants won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying for someone else will improve your /own/ health, too. The growth of /E. coli/ bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think about stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other similarly mindboggling studies have been commissioned and /replicated/ by researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob = The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
there is nothing supernatural,just mandkind, or better said,scientist have not yet found everynatural law, or have they?...naive to think they have, or? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book D. Mindock wrote: Bob, Yep, the opposite is true too. there is such a thing as the nocebo effect, but there is nothing supernatural about it. One can will people to be sick. now you are talking about supernatural phenomena, and I don't believe it. If someone comes up with an explanation that doesn't violate simple physical pinciples, then it is no longer supernatural, and I am ok. The Russians did a lot of study on psy-war. and wasted there money I might add I think our country did too. I mean, look at the nasty things our gov did with LSD studies on innocent people. giving people drugs and wishing people ill are two entirely different animals. my comment about chaney was purely sarcasm, not reality. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: "bob allen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book my mind, my body, yes to a degree, but "And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die." surely you jest. if intercessory prayer can work to cure, ie change an individuals physiology, then shouldn't it be possible to have negative effects via prayer? Could I "pray" somebody sick? say dick chaney? ;- Mike Redler wrote: FYI: In the mid 90's I had a long commute to work and spent my time in the car listening to Bill Moyers in a series he did about the mind/body connection. This post reminded me of the work he did on that. -Redler Kirk McLoren wrote: *Reinventing Medicine by * Larry Dossey http://www.amazon.com/s/002-5739560-3156800?ie=UTF8index=booksrank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterankfield-author-exact=Larry%20Dossey Cue the theme song to the /Twilight Zone/: Research shows your plants won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying for someone else will improve your /own/ health, too. The growth of /E. coli/ bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think about stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other similarly mindboggling studies have been commissioned and /replicated/ by researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob = The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
Reinventing Medicine by Larry Dossey Cue the theme song to the Twilight Zone: Research shows your plants won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying for someone else will improve your own health, too. The growth of E. coli bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think about stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other similarly mindboggling studies have been commissioned and replicated by researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities. Larry Dossey is known as the father of mind-body medicine and perhaps best known for his advocacy of the role of prayer in healing in 1995's bestselling Healing Words: The Power of Prayer and the Practice of Medicine. He admits that working on such seemingly impossible projects a few years ago would have ruined a researcher's career with "ATF," or "the anti-tenure factor." But things are changing. He wrote Reinventing Medicine to present proof that "the mind can literally change the external world" and how this "nonlocal mind" will change health care in the future. His argument for the existence of this nonlocal mind is as convincing as it is eloquently conveyed. Doubters, he says, merely need to examine their own dreams for proof this is true. When was the last time you had a conversation or found yourself in a situation you dreamed about the night before? Studies from as early as the 1960s "strongly suggest that dreams are an avenue of nonlocal communication between separate, distant persons." Dossey's support of the nonlocal mind is sure to draw pooh-poohs from cynics, including M.D.s, but, he warns, health-care workers are bound to experience this force firsthand: "Doctors can experience their patients' symptoms nonlocally, and this can be unpleasant." He cites the example of psychiatrist Mona Lisa Shulz, a medical intuitive, who "began to grow increasingly uncomfortable, feeling hot and flushed," while speaking over the phone with a feverish patient. Dossey says this telesomatic event, extreme empathy, or whatever you want to call it, is dangerous, but that "empathic balance" is something that will be taught in medical schools in the future to ensure accurate diagnoses of ill patients. Dossey was one of the first vanguards of mind-body medicine, which is basically accepted as fact today; he's again presenting the future of medicine, as otherworldly as it seems. Why keep checking for Mail? The all-new Yahoo! Mail shows you when there are new messages.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
Study of Heart Patients Sees No Power in Prayer
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5315333
Kirk McLoren wrote:
*Reinventing Medicine by *Larry Dossey
http://www.amazon.com/s/002-5739560-3156800?ie=UTF8index=booksrank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterankfield-author-exact=Larry%20Dossey
Cue the theme song to the /Twilight Zone/: Research shows your plants
won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying
for someone else will improve your /own/ health, too. The growth of /E.
coli/ bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think about
stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill
cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die.
These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other similarly
mindboggling studies have been commissioned and /replicated/ by
researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities.
Larry Dossey is known as the father of mind-body medicine and perhaps
best known for his advocacy of the role of prayer in healing in 1995's
bestselling /Healing Words: The Power of Prayer and the Practice of
Medicine http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0062502522/${0}/. He
admits that working on such seemingly impossible projects a few years
ago would have ruined a researcher's career with ATF, or the
anti-tenure factor. But things are changing. He wrote /Reinventing
Medicine/ to present proof that the mind can literally change the
external world and how this nonlocal mind will change health care in
the future. His argument for the existence of this nonlocal mind is as
convincing as it is eloquently conveyed. Doubters, he says, merely need
to examine their own dreams for proof this is true. When was the last
time you had a conversation or found yourself in a situation you dreamed
about the night before? Studies from as early as the 1960s strongly
suggest that dreams are an avenue of nonlocal communication between
separate, distant persons.
Dossey's support of the nonlocal mind is sure to draw pooh-poohs from
cynics, including M.D.s, but, he warns, health-care workers are bound to
experience this force firsthand: Doctors can experience their patients'
symptoms nonlocally, and this can be unpleasant. He cites the example
of psychiatrist Mona Lisa Shulz, a medical intuitive, who began to grow
increasingly uncomfortable, feeling hot and flushed, while speaking
over the phone with a feverish patient. Dossey says this telesomatic
event, extreme empathy, or whatever you want to call it, is dangerous,
but that empathic balance is something that will be taught in medical
schools in the future to ensure accurate diagnoses of ill patients.
Dossey was one of the first vanguards of mind-body medicine, which is
basically accepted as fact today; he's again presenting the future of
medicine, as otherworldly as it seems.
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Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
FYI: In the mid 90's I had a long commute to work and spent my time in the car listening to Bill Moyers in a series he did about the mind/body connection. This post reminded me of the work he did on that. -Redler Kirk McLoren wrote: Reinventing Medicine by Larry Dossey Cue the theme song to the Twilight Zone: Research shows your plants won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying for someone else will improve your own health, too. The growth of E. coli bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think about stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other similarly mindboggling studies have been commissioned and replicated by researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
Hogwash.
I gave Redler a wart just by thinking about it.
Ask him.
bob allen wrote:
Study of Heart Patients Sees No Power in Prayer
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5315333
Kirk McLoren wrote:
*Reinventing Medicine by *Larry Dossey
http://www.amazon.com/s/002-5739560-3156800?ie=UTF8index=booksrank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterankfield-author-exact=Larry%20Dossey
Cue the theme song to the /Twilight Zone/: Research shows your plants
won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying
for someone else will improve your /own/ health, too. The growth of /E.
coli/ bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think about
stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill
cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die.
These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other similarly
mindboggling studies have been commissioned and /replicated/ by
researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities.
Larry Dossey is known as the father of mind-body medicine and perhaps
best known for his advocacy of the role of prayer in healing in 1995's
bestselling /Healing Words: The Power of Prayer and the Practice of
Medicine http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0062502522/${0}/. He
admits that working on such seemingly impossible projects a few years
ago would have ruined a researcher's career with ATF, or the
anti-tenure factor. But things are changing. He wrote /Reinventing
Medicine/ to present proof that the mind can literally change the
external world and how this nonlocal mind will change health care in
the future. His argument for the existence of this nonlocal mind is as
convincing as it is eloquently conveyed. Doubters, he says, merely need
to examine their own dreams for proof this is true. When was the last
time you had a conversation or found yourself in a situation you dreamed
about the night before? Studies from as early as the 1960s strongly
suggest that dreams are an avenue of nonlocal communication between
separate, distant persons.
Dossey's support of the nonlocal mind is sure to draw pooh-poohs from
cynics, including M.D.s, but, he warns, health-care workers are bound to
experience this force firsthand: Doctors can experience their patients'
symptoms nonlocally, and this can be unpleasant. He cites the example
of psychiatrist Mona Lisa Shulz, a medical intuitive, who began to grow
increasingly uncomfortable, feeling hot and flushed, while speaking
over the phone with a feverish patient. Dossey says this telesomatic
event, extreme empathy, or whatever you want to call it, is dangerous,
but that empathic balance is something that will be taught in medical
schools in the future to ensure accurate diagnoses of ill patients.
Dossey was one of the first vanguards of mind-body medicine, which is
basically accepted as fact today; he's again presenting the future of
medicine, as otherworldly as it seems.
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Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
Hi Bob , This would be called Terrorism Fritz - Original Message - From: bob allen To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book my mind, my body, yes to a degree, but"And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die."surely you jest.if intercessory prayer can work to cure, ie change an individuals physiology, then shouldn't it be possible to have negative effects via prayer? Could I "pray" somebody sick? say dick chaney? ;-Mike Redler wrote: FYI: In the mid 90's I had a long commute to work and spent my time in the car listening to Bill Moyers in a series he did about the mind/body connection. This post reminded me of the work he did on that. -Redler Kirk McLoren wrote: *Reinventing Medicine by * Larry Dossey http://www.amazon.com/s/002-5739560-3156800?ie=UTF8index=booksrank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterankfield-author-exact=Larry%20Dossey Cue the theme song to the /Twilight Zone/: Research shows your plants won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying for someone else will improve your /own/ health, too. The growth of /E. coli/ bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think about stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other similarly mindboggling studies have been commissioned and /replicated/ by researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- --Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob---The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercisesin moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishness JKG ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
my mind, my body, yes to a degree, but And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. surely you jest. if intercessory prayer can work to cure, ie change an individuals physiology, then shouldn't it be possible to have negative effects via prayer? Could I pray somebody sick? say dick chaney? ;- Mike Redler wrote: FYI: In the mid 90's I had a long commute to work and spent my time in the car listening to Bill Moyers in a series he did about the mind/body connection. This post reminded me of the work he did on that. -Redler Kirk McLoren wrote: *Reinventing Medicine by * Larry Dossey http://www.amazon.com/s/002-5739560-3156800?ie=UTF8index=booksrank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterankfield-author-exact=Larry%20Dossey Cue the theme song to the /Twilight Zone/: Research shows your plants won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying for someone else will improve your /own/ health, too. The growth of /E. coli/ bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think about stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other similarly mindboggling studies have been commissioned and /replicated/ by researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
Mike you lack the proper respect for the gate keepers of the one true faith. On your knees now lad before we off your head. If Harvard data base doesnt have it it isnt medicine. Just ask BobKirkMike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hogwash.I gave Redler a wart just by thinking about it.Ask him.bob allen wrote:Study of Heart Patients Sees No Power in Prayerhttp://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5315333Kirk McLoren wrote: *Reinventing Medicine by *Larry Dossey Cue the theme song to the /Twilight Zone/: Research shows your plants won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying for someone else will improve your /own/ health, too. The growth of /E. coli/ bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think about stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other similarly mindboggling studies have been commissioned and /replicated/ by researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities.Larry Dossey is known as the father of mind-body medicine and perhaps best known for his advocacy of the role of prayer in healing in 1995's bestselling /Healing Words: The Power of Prayer and the Practice of Medicine /. He admits that working on such seemingly impossible projects a few years ago would have ruined a researcher's career with "ATF," or "the anti-tenure factor." But things are changing. He wrote /Reinventing Medicine/ to present proof that "the mind can literally change the external world" and how this "nonlocal mind" will change health care in the future. His argument for the existence of this nonlocal mind is as convincing as it is eloquently conveyed. Doubters, he says, merely need to examine their own dreams for proof this is true. When was the last time you had a conversation or found yourself in a situation you dreamed about the night before? Studies from as early as the 1960s "strongly suggest that dreams are an avenue of nonlocal communication between separate, distant persons."Dossey's support of the nonlocal mind is sure to draw pooh-poohs from cynics, including M.D.s, but, he warns, health-care workers are bound to experience this force firsthand: "Doctors can experience their patients' symptoms nonlocally, and this can be unpleasant." He cites the example of psychiatrist Mona Lisa Shulz, a medical intuitive, who "began to grow increasingly uncomfortable, feeling hot and flushed," while speaking over the phone with a feverish patient. Dossey says this telesomatic event, extreme empathy, or whatever you want to call it, is dangerous, but that "empathic balance" is something that will be taught in medical schools in the future to ensure accurate diagnoses of ill patients. Dossey was one of the first vanguards of mind-body medicine, which is basically accepted as fact today; he's again presenting the future of medicine, as otherworldly as it seems.Why keep checking for Mail? The all-new Yahoo! Mail shows you when there are new messages.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
Perhaps it is indeed possible forone person to pray someone else sick, but most likely the one doing the praying would become sick too. By praying cancer cells to die, however, the one praying is praying for health and so should receive the benefits of health too. So be my guest anyone who wants to pray their enemy to be sick, but you risk the same sickness. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Fritz Friesinger To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book Hi Bob , This would be called Terrorism Fritz - Original Message - From: bob allen To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book my mind, my body, yes to a degree, but"And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die."surely you jest.if intercessory prayer can work to cure, ie change an individuals physiology, then shouldn't it be possible to have negative effects via prayer? Could I "pray" somebody sick? say dick chaney? ;-Mike Redler wrote: FYI: In the mid 90's I had a long commute to work and spent my time in the car listening to Bill Moyers in a series he did about the mind/body connection. This post reminded me of the work he did on that. -Redler Kirk McLoren wrote: *Reinventing Medicine by * Larry Dossey http://www.amazon.com/s/002-5739560-3156800?ie=UTF8index=booksrank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterankfield-author-exact=Larry%20Dossey Cue the theme song to the /Twilight Zone/: Research shows your plants won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying for someone else will improve your /own/ health, too. The growth of /E. coli/ bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think about stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other similarly mindboggling studies have been commissioned and /replicated/ by researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- --Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob---The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercisesin moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishness JKG ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
You wanna wart? Kirk McLoren wrote: Mike you lack the proper respect for the gate keepers of the one true faith. On your knees now lad before we off your head. If Harvard data base doesnt have it it isnt medicine. Just ask Bob Kirk */Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Hogwash. I gave Redler a wart just by thinking about it. Ask him. bob allen wrote: Study of Heart Patients Sees No Power in Prayer http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5315333 Kirk McLoren wrote: *Reinventing Medicine by *Larry Dossey Cue the theme song to the /Twilight Zone/: Research shows your plants won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying for someone else will improve your /own/ health, too. The growth of /E. coli/ bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think about stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other similarly mindboggling studies have been commissioned and /replicated/ by researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities. Larry Dossey is known as the father of mind-body medicine and perhaps best known for his advocacy of the role of prayer in healing in 1995's bestselling /Healing Words: The Power of Prayer and the Practice of Medicine /. He admits that working on such seemingly impossible projects a few years ago would have ruined a researcher's career with ATF, or the anti-tenure factor. But things are changing. He wrote /Reinventing Medicine/ to present proof that the mind can literally change the external world and how this nonlocal mind will change health care in the future. His argument for the existence of this nonlocal mind is as convincing as it is eloquently conveyed. Doubters, he says, merely need to examine their own dreams for proof this is true. When was the last time you had a conversation or found yourself in a situation you dreamed about the night before? Studies from as early as the 1960s strongly suggest that dreams are an avenue of nonlocal communication between separate, distant persons. Dossey's support of the nonlocal mind is sure to draw pooh-poohs from cynics, including M.D.s, but, he warns, health-care workers are bound to experience this force firsthand: Doctors can experience their patients' symptoms nonlocally, and this can be unpleasant. He cites the example of psychiatrist Mona Lisa Shulz, a medical intuitive, who began to grow increasingly uncomfortable, feeling hot and flushed, while speaking over the phone with a feverish patient. Dossey says this telesomatic event, extreme empathy, or whatever you want to call it, is dangerous, but that empathic balance is something that will be taught in medical schools in the future to ensure accurate diagnoses of ill patients. Dossey was one of the first vanguards of mind-body medicine, which is basically accepted as fact today; he's again presenting the future of medicine, as otherworldly as it seems. Why keep checking for Mail? The all-new Yahoo! Mail shows you when there are new messages. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ All-new Yahoo! Mail http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43256/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta- Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
Whoa! You did that?! Mike Weaver wrote: Hogwash. I gave Redler a wart just by thinking about it. Ask him. bob allen wrote: Study of Heart Patients Sees No Power in Prayer http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5315333 Kirk McLoren wrote: *Reinventing Medicine by *Larry Dossey http://www.amazon.com/s/002-5739560-3156800?ie=UTF8index=booksrank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterankfield-author-exact=Larry%20Dossey [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
Sorry. I'll remove it for $10.00. I take PayPal. Mike Redler wrote: Whoa! You did that?! Mike Weaver wrote: Hogwash. I gave Redler a wart just by thinking about it. Ask him. bob allen wrote: Study of Heart Patients Sees No Power in Prayer http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5315333 Kirk McLoren wrote: *Reinventing Medicine by *Larry Dossey http://www.amazon.com/s/002-5739560-3156800?ie=UTF8index=booksrank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterankfield-author-exact=Larry%20Dossey [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
