PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 03:45:56 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] To Grid or Not to Grid?Dear Kevin,I do this for a living. My company is based in Australia and we supply off-the-homes with power. In outback Australia it can cost upwards of $150,000 to connect to the
He can unless the power line crosses a right of way (road) then it becomes a state issue.(PUC) KirkDoug Foskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As an option, why not consider buying power off your neighbour (in lieu of running a diesel genset), cabling the system permanently underground, and using an
As an option, why not consider buying power off your neighbour (in lieu of
running a diesel genset), cabling the system permanently underground, and
using an off-grid system to supplement. This way, in periods of clouds, you
could charge off the grid, and use the grid connection for low power it
On Jul 17, 2006, at 4:17 PM, Appal Energy wrote:.. you need to size your consumption and determine whereyou can shave peak and continual use to determine your finalcosts.There may be no "inconvenience" to tolerate. I actually did all that last year, but I believe I was not sufficientlydarin
Ken,
> Still, it would be very silly to
> spend $10,000 to stay off-grid, only to find that I was not
> satisfied and end up spending the $17,000 to get PG&E also.
I guess that's why you need to size your consumption and determine where you
can shave peak and continual use to determine your fina
m:
Zeke Yewdall
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Grid?
Actually, for most people on PV systems nowadays, I recommend
going to Sears and getting the most efficient GE or Kenmore fridge. They
us
I wouldn't recommend the generator route, unless you have a really good soundproofing method I just spent the weekend at a remote cabin, and it had a little PV system for lights and such. But the machine shop there was designed back in the 70's before PV's were available, and it is all set up
Actually, for most people on PV systems nowadays, I recommend going to Sears and getting the most efficient GE or Kenmore fridge. They use about 30% more power than a Sunfrost, but cost about a third as much, and you can add a few extra solar panels for this. Regular AC fridges used to be reall
energy efficient
frig.
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> On Jul 16, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
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>> If I had the bucks I su
On Jul 16, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
> If I had the bucks I suppose all these hi tech appliances would be
> nice.
> Unfortunately I dont so I have to use what most people use.
I agree -- THOUSANDS of dollars for a refrigeratorsheesh!
> I think if you pump your own water 30
If I had the bucks I suppose all these hi tech appliances would be nice. Unfortunately I dont so I have to use what most people use. I think if you pump your own water 30 kWhrs a day is more realistic. Thats $45 a month. Not so bad. KirkKen Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jul 16, 2006,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Micro_Cogeneration/ Download the free book in the files section. You can get a deja browser plugin (free) at lizardtech.com Yes, a diesel genset Size it to run at 3/4 of max as that is about the peak for fuel efficiency. Maxing them runs them too rich. Like bei
On Jul 16, 2006, at 7:48 AM, Appal Energy wrote:
> Well, since you invited the infusion of other's thought
> patterns
>
I did indeed, Todd, and your thoughts as usual are cogent.
It's true that the comforts of cheap electricity that I've enjoyed
all my life has "raised the bar" of my imagi
Worth doing if only for that. I wouldnt hesitate for a moment to be sans Edison. Every lightning storm I unplug sensitive apparatus since the grid is a big lightning rod. Wouldnt have that problem with my own. KirkJJJN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ken,Along time ago I looked at a generator/ba
Ken,
Along time ago I looked at a generator/battery hybrid system for
eliminating the grid. At that time power by the Kw was relatively cheap
and it didn't break even as far as Dollars and Cents. But it came close
when fugitive heat was considered to heat water.
But dollars and cents is not th
,its a one time
> spending,than you are homefree
> Fritz
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Well, since you invited the infusion of other's thought patterns
>Still it's offensive to just cave in to them,
What's somewhat offensive is that it takes that much power to keep you jolly.
Your standard load should or could be much less. Peak load (power tools) could
be handled by a genera
On Jul 15, 2006, at 10:00 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:
> you can cogen for 5 cents a kwhr assuming you
> use the heat. Hardware is about 5 thousand dollars
> unless you want an electric stove.
No electric stove. Could you elaborate a bit on the
details, please? What hardware are we talking about?
S
with the most economic system.
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> On Jul 15, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Jason& Katie wrote:
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>> is it to
you can cogen for 5 cents a kwhr assuming you use the heat. Hardware is about 5 thousand dollars unless you want an electric stove. KirkKen Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just got the quote from PG&E for the hookup to a power line700 ft away -- $17000 USD !Granted, a good standalone syst
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> On Jul 15, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Jason& Katie wrote:
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>> is it to a workshed or is it to your house? if it is a house, i
>> personally
>> would start with a 25Kw generator for main power
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> under
On Jul 15, 2006, at 6:27 PM, Mike Weaver wrote:
> You need to talk to Zeke. For those prices,
> you could fly him out, have
> him build you a system and fly back
> and it would be STILL half as much!
>
Yo, Zeke !! Is that true? I'm a big believer
in "consultants", having been one myself in
You need to talk to Zeke. For those prices, you could fly him out, have
him build you a system and fly back
and it would be STILL half as much!
Ken Provost wrote:
>Just got the quote from PG&E for the hookup to a power line
>700 ft away -- $17000 USD !
>
>Granted, a good standalone system w
On Jul 15, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Jason& Katie wrote:
> is it to a workshed or is it to your house? if it is a house, i
> personally
> would start with a 25Kw generator for main power
under $1 so far, and that's 200 amps of 120 VAC! Maybe
even overkill (it's a single-family dwelling, 1400 s
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is it to a workshed or is it to your house? if it is a house, i
personally would start with a 25Kw generator for main power(on BD of
course), and then next begin replacing
)
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> Just got the quote from PG&E for the hookup to a power line
>
Just got the quote from PG&E for the hookup to a power line
700 ft away -- $17000 USD !
Granted, a good standalone system would be at least
twice that, given my love of power tools and radiant
floor heat :-) Still it's offensive to just cave in to them, and
it's almost like they priced th
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