[Biofuel] Wind turbines briefly covered all of Scotland’s electricity needs - E & T Magazine

2016-08-16 Thread Darryl McMahon
http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2016/aug/wind-turbines-scotland-electricity-production.cfm [Another national grid reaches 100% supply from renewables, and does not collapse or explode, but another myth gets busted - again. links in on-line article] Wind turbines briefly covered all of

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-20 Thread Jerry T Van Horn
The number of makes of small turbines selling into the U.S. market, which have a good track record for reliability and low maintenance costs, is small (I would say 2). Doug, which 2? Jerry, Wi. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-20 Thread dwoodard
Greg, I'm not exactly sure what you're driving at here. It is not the case that small wind turbines generally use lower windspeeds than large ones. In any case there is relatively little energy in the lower windspeeds. Remember that power in the wind varies as the cube of the windspeed, as well

RE: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-20 Thread Ken Gotberg
Hi Peggy Ethanol is a high value fuel to make for the farm. Anaerobic digestion to methane would be a better choice with higher yield. From lignocellulose feed stock to ethanol the maximum yield is ~40% with actual yields being lower than this depending on the pretreatment (half of the mass

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-20 Thread Hakan Falk
Doug, The Danes have done a good job with wind, but it was not as well planned as many now want to describe it. The Danish wind industry grow out of a crisis and the heavy design was natural. It was built as alternative job creation for a ship building industry in a downward spiral. Hakan

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-20 Thread dwoodard
I would say Bergey http://www.bergey.com and African Windpower. Bear in mind that I have no personal experience, and I am speaking merely from reading comments on the internet. There may be one or two other small-volume NA makes, and some rather expensive Europeans on whose records I haven't

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread dwoodard
You forget that in order to produce power we must have relative motion between the rotor and the air. A kiting rotor will give this. An aircraft, all other things being equal, doesn't know whether it's in the jet stream or in still air. We produce forward motion of the aircraft *through the air*

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread Appal Energy
That's a typo, right? Was supposed to be routing the country? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines NE Colorado has a lot of wind and allot of grassland. Well, the same can

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread Greg Harbican
It's been a while, last time I was up that direction, it wasn't much, I take it, that it has grown? Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 16:53 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines I have driven past the large

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread Greg Harbican
of the last attempt?Let's just say, it now an industrial size jigsaw puzzle, with many tiny pieces. Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 16:58 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines It's not a perpetual motion

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread Appal Energy
] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines Feed lots have a lot of manure to, but, no grass. So like feedlots, politicians must be fed, good feed, only to turn it into manure. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread Appal Energy
that it won't all be legit / commercial business though. - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines Don't want to rain on your parade, but, perpetual motion machines don't exist

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread Martin Klingensmith
PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 13:32 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines While all these serious scientists are at work, the imagineering too tyempting to pass up. We now have a solar-powered non-piloted airplane which can stay aloft indefinitely. Imagine aircraft like

RE: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread Peggy
Todd: Sure would like to see the economics of politics get ratcheted down a half-dozen notches to something that resembles living within a country's means. Hello Todd, Just a note about a few demonstrations that are being activated... There is now a push with the Department of Agriculture to

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread Greg Harbican
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 18:01 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines Solar glider/airplanes do :) -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread Jeremy Farmer
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines You forget that in order to produce power we must have relative motion between the rotor and the air. A kiting rotor will give

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread Appal Energy
11:27 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines Todd: Sure would like to see the economics of politics get ratcheted down a half-dozen notches to something that resembles living within a country's means. Hello Todd, Just a note about a few demonstrations that are being activated... There is now

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread Lyle Estill
celebration? On Jan 19, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Appal Energy wrote: Hello Peggy, It's a very exciting time to be active in these pursuits. Not to be the token, crusty, old, curmudgeon. But I don't think I'll be getting overly exited and start passing out party balloons until fossil and

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread Appal Energy
celebration? Oleo-chemical..., should the day ever come. - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines Would those be petroleum or bio-based party balloons

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread Appal Energy
Six to seven figures and better. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines What does one of these massive wind turbines cost

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread bob allen
] Wind Turbines Would those be petroleum or bio-based party balloons for the celebration? On Jan 19, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Appal Energy wrote: Hello Peggy, It's a very exciting time to be active in these pursuits. Not to be the token, crusty, old, curmudgeon. But I don't think I'll be getting

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread Tomas Juknevicius
Appal Energy wrote: What does one of these massive wind turbines cost? Six to seven figures and better. Hi, rough cost estimate would be 1$ for one watt of the turbine's rated power output. Current state of the art turbines are up to 5MW power, their price reaches, accordingly, 5,000,000$.

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread balaji
Hello Tomas and all, - Original Message - From: Tomas Juknevicius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines Hi, rough cost estimate would be 1$ for one watt of the turbine's rated power output. Current

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-19 Thread Appal Energy
: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines ou don't like latex? Appal Energy wrote: Would those be petroleum or bio-based party balloons for the celebration? Oleo-chemical..., should the day ever come. - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent

[Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-18 Thread Greg Harbican
Wind Turbines AP Colorado is one of two states in the running for a plant that would build the nation's largest wind turbines. Clipper Windpower of California is expected to decide by the end of the month whether to build the turbines in Colorado or Nevada. The manufacturing plant would

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-18 Thread Kirk McLoren
It takes a very efficient machine to be more efficient than a personal local machine. The losses of distribution have to be offset and the costs as well if one is to be fair. If one has reasonable wind resources and space it should be given consideration. Kirk --- Greg Harbican [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-18 Thread Greg Harbican
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines It takes a very efficient machine to be more efficient than a personal local machine. The losses of distribution have to be offset and the costs as well if one is to be fair. If one has reasonable wind resources and space it should be given consideration

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-18 Thread Party of Citizens
. - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 09:19 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines It takes a very efficient machine to be more efficient than a personal local machine. The losses of distribution have to be offset

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-18 Thread Greg Harbican
PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:14 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines What are the future prospects for tapping the jet stream winds and using them as a source of power? POC

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-18 Thread dwoodard
Kirk, in terms of capital cost per rated kilowatt of capacity, small wind turbines in the 1-10 kilowatt range tend to be about three times as expensive as large industrial turbines. The capital cost curve gets pretty flat around 600 kilowatts of rated capacity. Larger turbines save especially on

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-18 Thread Party of Citizens
PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:01 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines Kirk, in terms of capital cost per rated kilowatt of capacity, small wind turbines in the 1-10 kilowatt range tend to be about three times as expensive as large industrial turbines. The capital cost curve

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-18 Thread Martin K
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk, in terms of capital cost per rated kilowatt of capacity, small wind turbines in the 1-10 kilowatt range tend to be about three times as expensive as large industrial turbines. The capital cost curve gets pretty flat around 600 kilowatts of rated capacity. Larger

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-18 Thread Appal Energy
PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines NE Colorado has a lot of wind and allot of grassland.It is said that the reason that it's grassland, is that the wind blows all the snow and rain to Kansas. Greg H. - Original Message - From

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-18 Thread btmd
NE Colorado has a lot of wind and allot of grassland. Well, the same can be said of Washington D.C.. Or at least there must be a lot of grassland nearby to propigate the amount of manure there. But still, no wind turbines or anaerobic digesters to be found. Actually, there are a lot of

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-18 Thread Greg Harbican
] Wind Turbines NE Colorado has a lot of wind and allot of grassland. Well, the same can be said of Washington D.C.. Or at least there must be a lot of grassland nearby to propigate the amount of manure there. But still, no wind turbines or anaerobic digesters to be found

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-18 Thread Greg Harbican
Don't want to rain on your parade, but, perpetual motion machines don't exist. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 13:32 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-18 Thread DHAJOGLO
NE Colorado has a lot of wind and allot of grassland.It is said that the reason that it's grassland, is that the wind blows all the snow and rain to Kansas. Greg H. This is simply not true... its because Kansas sucks and Utah blows... get your facts straight :P I have driven past the

Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines

2005-01-18 Thread DHAJOGLO
Don't want to rain on your parade, but, perpetual motion machines don't exist. It's not a perpetual motion machine (the solar plane). It consumes solar power, converting it to mechanical enegry. Once the sun goes out the plan stops flying (along with a great deal other things stopping).