Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever?
Al, I spent a few hours monkeying around with this stuff. I succeeded in making soap. A couple of years ago I split the glyc. mix methanol recovery. I blended the FFAs that split out with BD to fuel my oil-fired heating system. I can't help but think that somebody dumped FFAs into the dumpster. A sample from the top titrated 19; deeper titrated 24!!! The FFAs split from the glyc mix titrate 33. Maybe they split the glyc in order to recover the methanol, and had no use for the FFAs. The good news: This stuff burns nicely in a friend's waste oil heater. A 100+ gal will help heat his shop next winter. Thanks for the good advice, Tom - Original Message - From: A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever? My thoughts as well ... after sleeping on it. I have a cubie (4.5gal/17.7L) of the WVO. As time permits I'll do some test batches using A/B two step. As the price of veg oil increases, some restaurants are changing less frequently. It might be a good idea for me to become better acquainted with processing bad oil. If I can convert this stuff I can probably deal with just about anything. Since you are an experienced A/B two stepper, I'd like your thoughts on the following: I have had great success composting glycerin after it has been split from the mix. Unsplit glycerin composts, but does not seem to do as well as split glyc. I suspect the presence of soaps is the reason. A/B two step not only increases yield, but should reduce the amount of soap produced . Yes? - once neutralized, the glyc from A/B two step more closely resembles the split glyc. Best to You, Tom Hi Tom, All I do with my glycerine is mix it with sawdust and burn it. Indeed, I get less glycerine from using the 2-step method, but beyond that, I don't monkey with it... Not to appear terse, (I can't remember the exact science) but as memory serves, the 2-step allows more oil to be made into bio-fuel, hence, less glycerine... I'd ask you to have a peek at the JTF site, again, not to appear terse - I'll be revisiting too, to refresh my memory. (D'oh!) Single step is well-suited to gently used oil, but hard-used oil demands 2-step, unless you'd like a 30% (or so)return of oil and 70% glyc... If there's Magnesol in it - run for your life!! It's a BDr's nightmare!! Regards, Al Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever?
Hi Tom, Using it to heat a shop or such is probably the best thing you can do with something as haywire as that - glad you found out *before* you made a large batch of soap... I still have a lot of that bad oil from the supplier I let go, and will continue to work with it, but it's sure nasty stuff... monetarily - not worth the effort... environmentally - gotta do it... as for the advice, my favorite one-liner; Take my advice - I'm not using it... g Al, I spent a few hours monkeying around with this stuff. I succeeded in making soap. A couple of years ago I split the glyc. mix methanol recovery. I blended the FFAs that split out with BD to fuel my oil-fired heating system. I can't help but think that somebody dumped FFAs into the dumpster. A sample from the top titrated 19; deeper titrated 24!!! The FFAs split from the glyc mix titrate 33. Maybe they split the glyc in order to recover the methanol, and had no use for the FFAs. The good news: This stuff burns nicely in a friend's waste oil heater. A 100+ gal will help heat his shop next winter. Thanks for the good advice, Tom Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever?
My thoughts as well ... after sleeping on it. I have a cubie (4.5gal/17.7L) of the WVO. As time permits I'll do some test batches using A/B two step. As the price of veg oil increases, some restaurants are changing less frequently. It might be a good idea for me to become better acquainted with processing bad oil. If I can convert this stuff I can probably deal with just about anything. Since you are an experienced A/B two stepper, I'd like your thoughts on the following: I have had great success composting glycerin after it has been split from the mix. Unsplit glycerin composts, but does not seem to do as well as split glyc. I suspect the presence of soaps is the reason. A/B two step not only increases yield, but should reduce the amount of soap produced . Yes? - once neutralized, the glyc from A/B two step more closely resembles the split glyc. Best to You, Tom Hi Tom, All I do with my glycerine is mix it with sawdust and burn it. Indeed, I get less glycerine from using the 2-step method, but beyond that, I don't monkey with it... Not to appear terse, (I can't remember the exact science) but as memory serves, the 2-step allows more oil to be made into bio-fuel, hence, less glycerine... I'd ask you to have a peek at the JTF site, again, not to appear terse - I'll be revisiting too, to refresh my memory. (D'oh!) Single step is well-suited to gently used oil, but hard-used oil demands 2-step, unless you'd like a 30% (or so)return of oil and 70% glyc... If there's Magnesol in it - run for your life!! It's a BDr's nightmare!! Regards, Al Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever?
Thanks Al, Best advice I'd offer is pass on this on please unless you've got plenty of time, patience, resources, and methods of dealing with the consequences... and they aren't pleasant... My thoughts as well ... after sleeping on it. I have a cubie (4.5gal/17.7L) of the WVO. As time permits I'll do some test batches using A/B two step. As the price of veg oil increases, some restaurants are changing less frequently. It might be a good idea for me to become better acquainted with processing bad oil. If I can convert this stuff I can probably deal with just about anything. Since you are an experienced A/B two stepper, I'd like your thoughts on the following: I have had great success composting glycerin after it has been split from the mix. Unsplit glycerin composts, but does not seem to do as well as split glyc. I suspect the presence of soaps is the reason. A/B two step not only increases yield, but should reduce the amount of soap produced . Yes? - once neutralized, the glyc from A/B two step more closely resembles the split glyc. Best to You, Tom - Original Message - From: A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever? Al, BTW, I have other suppliers with very dark oil and their stuff titrates and processes as it should... Me too. Looks can be deceiving, huh? Tom Tom, Looks can sure be that... that Magnesol (if that's what is going on) is an absolute nightmare to deal with... I have been doing the A/B two step for a long time now, and it works much better than I could ever imagine a single stage process doing (further on in this thread). However, the results are still all over the map - if I use the methoxide mix titration calls for, *usually* it's instantly more soap than fuel, so cutting back on the methoxide helps, but even at that, the variance between batches from the same supplier won't allow me to use experience to tweak it to the right place. Incremental changes up or down even slightly seem somehow to be magnified... Best advice I'd offer is pass on this on please unless you've got plenty of time, patience, resources, and methods of dealing with the consequences... and they aren't pleasant... Al Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever?
Hi All, I was offered a dumpster full of WVO. New owner of a diner inherited it from the previous owner. I tested a sample . clean, fairly light in color . titrated 19g KOH/L !!! (My previous high was 11 g KOH/L, but that oil was very dark.) The label on the dumpster says that the kitchen grease will be returned to the food chain as a component of animal feed. I would just as soon keep it out of the food chain and make 100+ gal of biodiesel. Will the two stage acid/base method handle such WVO as this? Am I looking for trouble pumping out, and getting stuck with, 100+ gal of burnt-out oil? The new owner is willing to give me his WVO which is nothing like what's in the dumpster. Advice appreciated, Tom -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080528/5b167be5/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever?
I'd cut it with some better oil, but I've never tried any that bad either. Thomas Kelly wrote: Hi All, I was offered a dumpster full of WVO. New owner of a diner inherited it from the previous owner. I tested a sample . clean, fairly light in color . titrated 19g KOH/L !!! (My previous high was 11 g KOH/L, but that oil was very dark.) The label on the dumpster says that the kitchen grease will be returned to the food chain as a component of animal feed. I would just as soon keep it out of the food chain and make 100+ gal of biodiesel. Will the two stage acid/base method handle such WVO as this? Am I looking for trouble pumping out, and getting stuck with, 100+ gal of burnt-out oil? The new owner is willing to give me his WVO which is nothing like what's in the dumpster. Advice appreciated, Tom -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080528/5b167be5/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever?
I recently dumped a WVO supplier because their oil has become unmanageable - my best guess is that they are using Magnesol to filter it, and get more mileage out of it... The titration was all over the spectrum, and yes, for those of you that would ask, all was well with the titration chemicals, and process... Test batches done at titration levels varied in result, and again, I suspected I had a bad component somewhere, but even with many test batches, only changing one component at a time to control the outcome(s), it was never anywhere near what the titration said it should be... Titration results suddenly went up with the change of ownership... hmmm.. So, that's my best guess, and my exp. with that sort of thing... and BTW, I have other suppliers with very dark oil and their stuff titrates and processes as it should... good luck with that, Al FWIW, I don't eat there either... :-| Hi All, I was offered a dumpster full of WVO. New owner of a diner inherited it from the previous owner. I tested a sample . clean, fairly light in color . titrated 19g KOH/L !!! (My previous high was 11 g KOH/L, but that oil was very dark.) The label on the dumpster says that the kitchen grease will be returned to the food chain as a component of animal feed. I would just as soon keep it out of the food chain and make 100+ gal of biodiesel. Will the two stage acid/base method handle such WVO as this? Am I looking for trouble pumping out, and getting stuck with, 100+ gal of burnt-out oil? The new owner is willing to give me his WVO which is nothing like what's in the dumpster. Advice appreciated, Tom Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever?
Try a liter batch in a blender and see what you get. Good luck with it. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kelly Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:16 AM To: biofuel Subject: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever? Hi All, I was offered a dumpster full of WVO. New owner of a diner inherited it from the previous owner. I tested a sample . clean, fairly light in color . titrated 19g KOH/L !!! (My previous high was 11 g KOH/L, but that oil was very dark.) The label on the dumpster says that the kitchen grease will be returned to the food chain as a component of animal feed. I would just as soon keep it out of the food chain and make 100+ gal of biodiesel. Will the two stage acid/base method handle such WVO as this? Am I looking for trouble pumping out, and getting stuck with, 100+ gal of burnt-out oil? The new owner is willing to give me his WVO which is nothing like what's in the dumpster. Advice appreciated, Tom -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080528/5b167be5/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3140 (20080528) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3142 (20080528) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever?
Al, BTW, I have other suppliers with very dark oil and their stuff titrates and processes as it should... Me too. Looks can be deceiving, huh? Tom - Original Message - From: A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever? I recently dumped a WVO supplier because their oil has become unmanageable - my best guess is that they are using Magnesol to filter it, and get more mileage out of it... The titration was all over the spectrum, and yes, for those of you that would ask, all was well with the titration chemicals, and process... Test batches done at titration levels varied in result, and again, I suspected I had a bad component somewhere, but even with many test batches, only changing one component at a time to control the outcome(s), it was never anywhere near what the titration said it should be... Titration results suddenly went up with the change of ownership... hmmm.. So, that's my best guess, and my exp. with that sort of thing... and BTW, I have other suppliers with very dark oil and their stuff titrates and processes as it should... good luck with that, Al FWIW, I don't eat there either... :-| Hi All, I was offered a dumpster full of WVO. New owner of a diner inherited it from the previous owner. I tested a sample . clean, fairly light in color . titrated 19g KOH/L !!! (My previous high was 11 g KOH/L, but that oil was very dark.) The label on the dumpster says that the kitchen grease will be returned to the food chain as a component of animal feed. I would just as soon keep it out of the food chain and make 100+ gal of biodiesel. Will the two stage acid/base method handle such WVO as this? Am I looking for trouble pumping out, and getting stuck with, 100+ gal of burnt-out oil? The new owner is willing to give me his WVO which is nothing like what's in the dumpster. Advice appreciated, Tom Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever?
Roger, I'd cut it with some better oil, .. It would take a hell of a lot of cutting . like 10:1. Hate to ruin good oil. I'm thinking about running a test batch using 2 step acid/base. Tom - Original Message - From: Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever? I'd cut it with some better oil, but I've never tried any that bad either. Thomas Kelly wrote: Hi All, I was offered a dumpster full of WVO. New owner of a diner inherited it from the previous owner. I tested a sample . clean, fairly light in color . titrated 19g KOH/L !!! (My previous high was 11 g KOH/L, but that oil was very dark.) The label on the dumpster says that the kitchen grease will be returned to the food chain as a component of animal feed. I would just as soon keep it out of the food chain and make 100+ gal of biodiesel. Will the two stage acid/base method handle such WVO as this? Am I looking for trouble pumping out, and getting stuck with, 100+ gal of burnt-out oil? The new owner is willing to give me his WVO which is nothing like what's in the dumpster. Advice appreciated, Tom -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080528/5b167be5/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever?
Mike, Try a liter batch in a blender and see what you get. Good luck with it. Mike Do you mean a liter batch using single stage base, or a liter batch using 2 stage acid/base? Tom - Original Message - From: Mike Pelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever? Try a liter batch in a blender and see what you get. Good luck with it. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kelly Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:16 AM To: biofuel Subject: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever? Hi All, I was offered a dumpster full of WVO. New owner of a diner inherited it from the previous owner. I tested a sample . clean, fairly light in color . titrated 19g KOH/L !!! (My previous high was 11 g KOH/L, but that oil was very dark.) The label on the dumpster says that the kitchen grease will be returned to the food chain as a component of animal feed. I would just as soon keep it out of the food chain and make 100+ gal of biodiesel. Will the two stage acid/base method handle such WVO as this? Am I looking for trouble pumping out, and getting stuck with, 100+ gal of burnt-out oil? The new owner is willing to give me his WVO which is nothing like what's in the dumpster. Advice appreciated, Tom -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080528/5b167be5/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3140 (20080528) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3142 (20080528) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Worst WVO Ever?
Al, BTW, I have other suppliers with very dark oil and their stuff titrates and processes as it should... Me too. Looks can be deceiving, huh? Tom Tom, Looks can sure be that... that Magnesol (if that's what is going on) is an absolute nightmare to deal with... I have been doing the A/B two step for a long time now, and it works much better than I could ever imagine a single stage process doing (further on in this thread). However, the results are still all over the map - if I use the methoxide mix titration calls for, *usually* it's instantly more soap than fuel, so cutting back on the methoxide helps, but even at that, the variance between batches from the same supplier won't allow me to use experience to tweak it to the right place. Incremental changes up or down even slightly seem somehow to be magnified... Best advice I'd offer is pass on this on please unless you've got plenty of time, patience, resources, and methods of dealing with the consequences... and they aren't pleasant... Al Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
