Re: [Biofuel] market for crude glycerol

2004-11-25 Thread bob allen
oops, I need to correct myself, the proper formula for propylene glycol is:HOCH2CHOHCH3. propylene glycol is HOCH2-CH2-CH2OH and could be made from glycerol but your talking a some pretty sophisticated procedures. Heck, why not use the glycerol as antifreeze?

Re: [Biofuel] market for crude glycerol

2004-11-24 Thread Leif Forer
Couldn't one make propylene glycol (HOC=C-COH) or propanol (C-C-COH) from glycerin (HOC-COH-COH)? Propylene glycol is green antifreeze, a useful substance. And propanol could then be used to transesterify more vegetable oil. ~leif On Nov 22, 2004, at 2:40 PM, Ken Provost wrote: On Nov

Re: [Biofuel] market for crude glycerol

2004-11-24 Thread rb 9 tr
--- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Triacetin (glyceryl triacetate) is liquid above 3 deg C (better than biodiesel), and is commonly used as a solvent and in cosmetics. Quite flammable I'm sure, and probly burns about like other short-chain oils I'm not quite sure it burns as well as

Re: [Biofuel] market for crude glycerol

2004-11-24 Thread bob allen
I thought you needed a long chain to make biodiesel. Is this true? Leif, you just need a hydrocarbon or slightly oxygenated hydrocarbon with right molecular wt. If you made the triester using glycerol and butanoic or pentanoic acid, you would have a molecule of about the same molecular

Re: [Biofuel] market for crude glycerol

2004-11-22 Thread rb 9 tr
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not tap your best customer? Combine it with a short-chain acid (e.g., butyric or acetic?) and put it back into your product. There are a few other possibilities. Huh ? Not sure what you mean. Are you suggesting to re-esterify the glycerine with a

Re: [Biofuel] market for crude glycerol

2004-11-22 Thread Ken Provost
On Nov 22, 2004, at 9:52 AM, rb 9 tr wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not tap your best customer? Combine it with a short-chain acid (e.g., butyric or acetic?) and put it back into your product. There are a few other possibilities. Huh ? Not sure what you mean. Are you suggesting

Re: [Biofuel] market for crude glycerol

2004-11-17 Thread Legal Eagle
can maket it any way that seems to work; maybe a country fair atmosphere ? Just some ideas. Luc - Original Message - From: Peter Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 3:27 PM Subject: [Biofuel] market for crude glycerol What markets

Re: [Biofuel] market for crude glycerol

2004-11-17 Thread damiandolan
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[Biofuel] market for crude glycerol

2004-11-15 Thread Peter Helm
What markets are available for the sale and distribution of crude glycerol that is a by-product of the production of biodiesel from waste oil? We are producing on the scope of around 7,200 litres per day of waste glycerol; is there any coherent average price for crude glycerol (esp. in Europe,

Re: [Biofuel] market for crude glycerol

2004-11-15 Thread Phillip Wolfe
Dear Mr. Helm (Peter) Based on my inquiries with industry contacts There is no real retail market for crude glycerol per se but there are refined glycerin markets who need supply of crude glycerin. For example, there are suppliers with refining plants in they make and refine high grade glycerine

Re: [Biofuel] market for crude glycerol

2004-11-15 Thread Phillip Wolfe
Dear Mr. Helm (Peter) Based on my inquiries with industry contacts There is no real retail market for crude glycerol per se but there are refined glycerin markets who need supply of crude glycerin. For example, there are suppliers with refining plants in they make and refine high grade glycerine