Mmmmm, team player... I can jst see those motivational consultants gently stirring....
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:01:36 -0500, "Andrew Hoppin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > This message only has an HTML part -- this is a text generated > representation > > > Thanks for the feedback Keith. Without passing judgement on World > Energy > since I haven't done the research (I'll go read up on their conduct > now-- > thanks for the links), my point is merely that we need to support > people and > companies and institutions based on their integrity, actions and > demonstrable potential to succeed at furthering responsible energy > production and consumption, and NOT on the basis of their SIZE. I > think > there is room for small and large producers, and for them to work > together. > Which leads me to this: if World Energy does not agree with this > perspective, then why not? Do you think it is the individuals > involved > being shortsighted, or is it simply a reality of the kind of business > they're trying to build that makes small producers more of a threat > than a > help? Or could they be authentically concerned that a small producer > making > some mistake in production will sully the image of biodiesel? Other > possibilities? Regardless, if you can identify what the root of their > problem is, then whether that root cause seems silly or not, and > regardless > of who is responsible for it, perhaps we can address the root cause > and > inspire World Energy to be a team playter. No bias or policy is > intractible > in my opionion if it fundamentally doesn't make sense, so let's take a > look > at it. In my opinion, it is worth it for us to unilaterally take on > this > extra work in order to earn the chance to bring as many stakeholders > as > possible in this community into alignment. This will ultimately > empower us > all. > Cheers, > Andrew > ---------------------------------------------------- > The Biofuel Business Development Project > [1]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Biofuel-Business-Plan/ > Dedicated to Making An Immediate Impact > On the Long-Range Future of Humanity > > Message: 12 > > Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:23:08 +0900 > > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: more info on the NBB and the soy subsidy > > > > Hello Andrew > > > > >I'm would prefer to see a decentralized industry of small producers > as > > well, > > >but my bias is that if we're really going to make a near-term > > difference in > > >our world in terms of energy security and environmental protection > and > > >public health with biodiesel, we need to support any and all > > companies that > > >are willing to produce and distribute biodiesel, small and large. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Andrew > > > > Um, at the cost of having homebrewers dispensed with by means of a > > load of BS about us being nothing but a peril who'll bring it all to > > naught unless we're controlled? Or at least kept firmly in our place > > (our own backyards)? Though we can be useful... Check back and > you'll > > see that that's basically what Mr Noyes of World Energy was saying. > > He was asked how many times? Three? Four? - to substantiate his > > claims that substandard-spec homebrew had caused widespread problems > > and industry had had to clean up the mess after us. He evaded the > > question each time. He can't substantiate it because it's BS. Not > the > > only thing he evaded. If you think that will at least stop him > making > > such unsubstantiated claims, even if he can't quite bring himself to > > withdraw them, don't hold your breath. > > > > Noyes, and others like him, couldn't cope with what we actually are > > and what we do, as opposed to his patronising idea of us. Have a > look > > at how he handled the possibility of collaboration with us, > > laughable. It's on his terms or nothing, just like the other World > > Energy guy who wasted our time with this talk. We're more useful > than > > these people, and it's them who make it an either-or question, not > us. > > > > We're not against industry, that would be foolish, but there's > > industry and then there's industry. It's not a case of small vs > > large, there's room and need for both, as you say. Some of the big > > companies are just fine, no problem at all working with them. But > > frankly I think the world needs the likes of World Energy like it > > needs a hole in the head. > {snip} > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > [2]http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Biofuels list archives: > [3]http://archive.nnytech.net/ > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the [4]Yahoo! 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