[biofuels-biz] EREN Network News -- 09/18/02

2002-09-18 Thread EREN
= EREN NETWORK NEWS -- September 18, 2002 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN). http://www.eren.doe.gov/ = Featuring:

Re: [biofuels-biz] High FFA oils - another way

2002-09-18 Thread Keith Addison
Hello again Paul I tried slaked lime to remove FFAs as you suggested. The filtering is a pain, and the result wasn't very good. It did take out some FFA, but it didn't neutralize the oil, though I used an excess. I didn't titrate it afterwards, maybe I should have, but that would have been

[biofuel] Masonry stoves

2002-09-18 Thread kahiwal
In a message dated 9/17/2002 3:05:13 PM Hawaiian Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was a great help, because I have search for the common term for these stoves for a while now and did not get good suggestions. It is a very good construction and I recommend it too, even if we have

RE: [biofuel] Dumb Question Was: Using ethanol (was source of ethanol)

2002-09-18 Thread kirk
The really odd bit, at least to me, is when you consider the first miracle Jesus performed was turning water into wine. How Christians can curse someone for a beer or glass of wine makes me wonder if they ever read the Bible. Kirk -Original Message- From: Christopher Witmer

Re: [biofuel] Dumb Question Was: Using ethanol (was source of ethanol)

2002-09-18 Thread Appal Energy
Not all Christians are tea totalers. Not all tea totalers are Christian. Kinda' funny. I have to ship an order out this week to a cat named Jesus Pegan. Of course there are the requisite squiggles over the u and a. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [biofuel] Dumb Question-Why do people believe this stuff

2002-09-18 Thread Ken Provost
Terry Wilhelm writes: I wish that the people that do not have or have ever [sic] tried to get an Alcohol Fuel Producers Permit from ATF would refrain from giving their opinion. [ouch!] The permit ATF F 5110.74 does not state that the still must be set up on commerical property. Alas, the feds

Re: [biofuel] Dumb Question-Why do people believe this stuff (and again I say)

2002-09-18 Thread Terry Wilhelm
I can agree with your comments.but...you are referring to a distilled spirits plant. That is not the case or even close when we are talking about Alcohol Fuel Producers or redistillers permit. And we can still go to the reclaiming or redistilling permit side of ATF. I just dont think

Re: [biofuel] Biogas Digester

2002-09-18 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Marc snip Aerobic composting produces a (very) useful product, the compost, with the heat essentially a by-product, often a waste-product (very under-utilized); anaerobic digestion primarily produces energy, the biogas, and a resultant sludge that isn't useful and is difficult to handle.

Re: [biofuel] Masonry stoves

2002-09-18 Thread Keith Addison
In a message dated 9/17/2002 3:05:13 PM Hawaiian Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was a great help, because I have search for the common term for these stoves for a while now and did not get good suggestions. It is a very good construction and I recommend it too, even if we

Re: [biofuel] Hemp Homes in the UK

2002-09-18 Thread Hakan Falk
Todd, If Hemp fiber board is such a leap in price/performance as the PC, I am sure that it is a huge market for it. I wished that the construction sector was as open, for even basic advances in engineering, as the computer sector. Then we would spend on average 50% less energy in our

[biofuel] Biogas Digester

2002-09-18 Thread Marc de Piolenc
Keith wrote: But piggeries and chicken yards are best part of a mixed farm, not standalones. In Hong Kong's rural areas the guvmint, being a guvmint, and very much subject to Chris's Leviathan's First Rule, decided specializing was best. Previously the peasant system was mixed, like all

RE: [biofuel] Dumb Question Was: Using ethanol (was source of ethanol)

2002-09-18 Thread Hakan Falk
They did not read the bible, because then they would serve the best wine first. Christopher did a good resume of history, but forgot about the connection to the present. The redistribution of wealth that was caused by the Prohibition is still in charge. They discovered that maintaining the

Re: [biofuel] Dumb Question Was: Using ethanol (was source of ethanol)

2002-09-18 Thread Hakan Falk
They have done their best on sex too, but it always fall apart on the question of how you can tax it. If we can work out a good tax scheme, it can maybe replace the energy taxes. The risk for depletion and lack of income is then minimized and the governments are no longer dependent of income

Re: [biofuel] Dumb Question Was: Using ethanol (was source of ethanol)

2002-09-18 Thread Christopher Witmer
Hakan Falk wrote: One [sex] inspector for every 10 people could be enough. The way sex is enjoyed these days (couch potato style) I should think there would be about 10,000 inspectors per patriotic taxpayer. . . . some of the income will go to farm subsidies, so it is no problems with the

Re: [biofuel] Dumb Question Was: Using ethanol (was source of ethanol)

2002-09-18 Thread Hakan Falk
Of course the politicians like to legalize prostitution. Some of them must have a large sympathy and understanding for the situation that the prostitutes are in. And why do they have to pay income tax and prostitutes not? Hakan At 08:33 PM 9/18/2002 +0900, you wrote: Hakan Falk wrote: One

Re: [biofuel] source of ethanol

2002-09-18 Thread Michael S Briggs
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Appal Energy wrote: Actually, if the ethanol is to be used in continued manufacture it does not have to be denatured. Problem is that there is a sales transaction between a small guy who looks like a consumer and a manufacturer, which looks a might suspicious to ATF.

[biofuel] Dumb Question - the epilogue

2002-09-18 Thread Curtis Sakima
My my ... I go to bed, satisfied with the relatively simple answer I received last night Wake up in the morning ... Whoa!! Sorry I asked!! Terry, I think you misunderstood my original question. And for that I apologize. What I wanted to know .. was NOT what the regulations are

Re: [biofuel] Dumb Question Was: Using ethanol (was source of ethanol)

2002-09-18 Thread Curtis Sakima
(whispering) Hey guy .. pssst ... I think I got my answer!! I don't want Keith to get out of bed as I have ... and find 250MB of prostitution thread!! I tell you what we DEFINETELY need to do. We need to create a new yahoogroup!! Called Biofuel- the off-topic spinoffs. That way we can

[biofuel] Curtis, the preacher??? Was: Dumb Question

2002-09-18 Thread Curtis Sakima
Oh, in case wondering minds be out there, my sentiments about drinking are purely personal. I feel no need to preach, .. so that's WHY you need to change YOUR life . Wanted to make sure that was clear!! Curtis --- Christopher Witmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, they don't curse the

Re: [biofuel] Dumb Question - the epilogue

2002-09-18 Thread Hakan Falk
Good night and may you have sweet dreams about the greatest democracy in the world, fair and with equal rights for all people. Hakan At 05:04 AM 9/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: My my ... I go to bed, satisfied with the relatively simple answer I received last night Wake up in the morning ...

[biofuel] Webconx?

2002-09-18 Thread fatguy1966
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Re: [biofuel] Biogas Digester

2002-09-18 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel List biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 02:46 Subject: [biofuel] Biogas Digester Recently, there have been addenda to the anaerobic digestion schemes involving an aerobic

Re: [biofuel] Biogas Digester

2002-09-18 Thread Kris Book
I found a web site that discusses an aerobic/anaerobic biodigester. They claim that what is left after the methane is removed is so clean that the effluent can be used as a complete hydroponics solution or as a conventional organic fertilizer. http://www.hydor.eng.br/Pag21-1.html --- Keith

Re: [biofuel] Dumb Question Was: Using ethanol (was source of ethanol)

2002-09-18 Thread Keith Addison
(whispering) Hey guy .. pssst ... I think I got my answer!! I don't want Keith to get out of bed as I have ... and find 250MB of prostitution thread!! I tell you what we DEFINETELY need to do. We need to create a new yahoogroup!! Called Biofuel- the off-topic spinoffs. That way we can

Re: [biofuel] Biogas Digester

2002-09-18 Thread Shaji Pallath
Sirs, It may not be feasible to simultaneously utilise the heat of composting and the methane. Composting is an AEROBIC process while methane production is ANAEROBIC. Different groups of bacteria which are entirely different are resposible for the processes. No utilisable heat is evolved in

[biofuel] 'muddy' WVO?

2002-09-18 Thread Neil McAnally
I'm real new to this (biodiesel); just making small batches to run in the Rabbit. I picked up about 4 gallons of WVO today, it's liquid at 50d.F, but very murky, almost like it has mud in it. What's the preferred treatment for this stuff? Thanks! Neil Yahoo!

Re: [biofuel] Biogas Digester

2002-09-18 Thread Keith Addison
hello Marc Keith wrote: But piggeries and chicken yards are best part of a mixed farm, not standalones. In Hong Kong's rural areas the guvmint, being a guvmint, and very much subject to Chris's Leviathan's First Rule, decided specializing was best. Previously the peasant system was mixed, like

[biofuel] EREN Network News -- 09/18/02

2002-09-18 Thread EREN
= EREN NETWORK NEWS -- September 18, 2002 A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Network (EREN). http://www.eren.doe.gov/ = Featuring:

Re: [biofuel] 'muddy' WVO?

2002-09-18 Thread Keith Addison
I'm real new to this (biodiesel); just making small batches to run in the Rabbit. I picked up about 4 gallons of WVO today, it's liquid at 50d.F, but very murky, almost like it has mud in it. What's the preferred treatment for this stuff? Thanks! Neil Settle, filter, dewater, titrate,

Re: [biofuel] Biogas Digester

2002-09-18 Thread Keith Addison
Kris Book wrote: I found a web site that discusses an aerobic/anaerobic biodigester. They claim that what is left after the methane is removed is so clean that the effluent can be used as a complete hydroponics solution or as a conventional organic fertilizer.

Re: [biofuel] Biogas Digester

2002-09-18 Thread Keith Addison
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 00:21 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biogas Digester Whatever one might think of Chairperson Mao, his Seven Characters, rules for agriculture, were pretty good. One

Re: [biofuel] Biogas Digester

2002-09-18 Thread Keith Addison
Sirs, It may not be feasible to simultaneously utilise the heat of composting and the methane. Composting is an AEROBIC process while methane production is ANAEROBIC. Different groups of bacteria which are entirely different are resposible for the processes. No utilisable heat is evolved in

[biofuel] Re: Biogas Digester

2002-09-18 Thread motie_d
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to remember a process that digester effluent/sludge is mixed with aspen chips and then allowed to compost, the result being marketed as an artificial peat from renewable recourses. Of course I could just be

Re: [biofuel] SVO Question?

2002-09-18 Thread Andre Shoumatoff
OK, I'll try again I'm interested in a WVO conversion and found these two sites: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html http://www.shortcircuit.com.au/warfa/paper/paper.htm I've also found the veggievan.org and some companies that build SVO/WVO conversions for cars/trucks but

Re: [biofuel] 'muddy' WVO?

2002-09-18 Thread rpg
- Original Message - From: Neil McAnally [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm real new to this (biodiesel); just making small batches to run in the Rabbit. I picked up about 4 gallons of WVO today, it's liquid at 50d.F, but very murky, almost like it has mud in it. What's the preferred

Re: [biofuel] SVO Question?

2002-09-18 Thread Andre Shoumatoff
Which dual fuel switch from Australia? Try this: http://www.sleeoffroad.com/technical/tz_fuel.htm Andre Shoumatoff, Park City UT http://www.cisautoweb.com __ College Internet Solutions - World class web

Re: [biofuel] SVO Question?

2002-09-18 Thread studio53
I didn't see a switch at that link. Just a double neck filler tube. Jesse Parris | studio53 | graphics / web design | stamford, ct | 203.324.4371 www.jesseparris.com/Portfolio_Jesse_Parris/ - Original Message - From: Andre Shoumatoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com

Re: [biofuel] SVO Question?

2002-09-18 Thread Andre Shoumatoff
If you look at the picture, there is a metal rod attached to the unit that goes to the box where the fuel is diverted. That is the switch -- pull it out and it fills one tank, push it in and if fills the other. Pretty neat, I think. Andre

[biofuel] Solarbuzz Portal to the World of Solar Energy

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Re: [biofuel] SVO Question?

2002-09-18 Thread studio53
Aaah...I got it! I was thinking electric fuel tank selection switch. Jesse Parris | studio53 | graphics / web design | stamford, ct | 203.324.4371 www.jesseparris.com/Portfolio_Jesse_Parris/ - Original Message - From: Andre Shoumatoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com

Re: Remember when?? Was: [biofuel] Nanotubes

2002-09-18 Thread Steve Spence
the difference is you can pump oil out of the ground, not hydrogen. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards: http://www.green-trust.org Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Curtis Sakima

Re: Remember when?? Was: [biofuel] Nanotubes

2002-09-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:18:22 -0400, you wrote: the difference is you can pump oil out of the ground, not hydrogen. That is one of many differences yes. A similarity, as Curtis was attempting to point out, is the use of circular or other false or over-simplified reasoning to stop (or: attempt

Re: [biofuel] Hemp Homes in the UK

2002-09-18 Thread Appal Energy
I believe it was Amory Lovins who pointed out (and continually does so) that if all the buildings in the US were adequately insulated and weatherized (to be read adequately, not super-), the US would or could be free of all imported fuels. Gee...I wonder what could be done if that were coupled