Re: [Biofuel] What is happening?

2006-07-15 Thread Doug Younker
Heh! Hakan, are you one of those individuals that can't handle silence? :) In the event you are don't worry I have never seen it last long Doug Hakan Falk wrote: I never, I never saw so little activities on the list before. Missing it. Hakan ___

Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt

2006-07-15 Thread Kirk McLoren
Probably that is their plan. If we eliminated corporate welfare the US could enjoy a golden age but presently she is riddled with parasites. The social welfare they will eliminate was purchased by the poor but they will probably be robbed again. Sigh. I heard an interesting statistic. Only 5%

Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt

2006-07-15 Thread Jason Katie
you dont need money if you can supply a need. i know more than just fuel, i can build just about anything a person would have as a daily need. house, furniture, small macines, engine repair, anyone with a skill is pretty well safe. it is the people who have never had to work a day in their life

Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt

2006-07-15 Thread Kirk McLoren
A lot of things have to stay functional. Power, roads, fuel, water and food to name a few. People who live in cities have few alternatives. Also elderly and very young. The bulk of the suffering will be borne by thepoor - the corporate and governmental psychopaths have the money to go elsewhere

Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt

2006-07-15 Thread Jason Katie
if the us government admits it is bankrupt, the dollar will be bunk. noone will want it, or if they do accept it, the exchange rate will be horrifying, all those millions of dollars they have squirreled away will be worth tens, maybe hundreds if they are lucky. all of this because noone has any

Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt

2006-07-15 Thread Kirk McLoren
"they" understand this better than most of us and I assure you the crash of the dollar will be an opportunity to them. They will purchase real assets for pennies. "They" steal it all back so they can then sell it back to us for another generations labor. We are hamsters or "coppertops". A

Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt

2006-07-15 Thread MK DuPree
Whatever "we" may "be" to "them," who what when where why and howI am to myself iswhatmatters most, not just to me, but to everyone else too. So whatever else I might say is really for me, and you can read it if you want or not, it doesn't matter, unless it does to you. For myself, I'm

Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US could be going bankrupt

2006-07-15 Thread Jason Katie
the only possible flaw i see in your argument is that when a person has nearly nothing, they fight that much harder to keep whatever they do have. my brother and i had a hamster when we were kids, he was really nice and fuzzy and cute until you pissed him off, then he would bite REALLY FRAGGIN'

[Biofuel] To Grid or Not to Grid?

2006-07-15 Thread Ken Provost
Just got the quote from PGE for the hookup to a power line 700 ft away -- $17000 USD ! Granted, a good standalone system would be at least twice that, given my love of power tools and radiant floor heat :-) Still it's offensive to just cave in to them, and it's almost like they priced

Re: [Biofuel] To Grid or Not to Grid?

2006-07-15 Thread Jason Katie
is it to a workshed or is it to your house? if it is a house, i personally would start with a 25Kw generator for main power(on BD of course), and then next begin replacing big energy sinks like heating and cooling with geothermal, woodfire, heating oil(and all its variants), biogas, or

Re: [Biofuel] To Grid or Not to Grid?

2006-07-15 Thread Fritz Friesinger
Hi Ken, how about a 25KVA Genset run on Methanegaz? it seems to me Methane is the Way to go! Why... there is the transport and handling of the Biofuel a lot of manpower involved! You can set up a Methaneproduction with your Wast,the Bacteria will do the work for you and your own

Re: [Biofuel] To Grid or Not to Grid?

2006-07-15 Thread Ken Provost
On Jul 15, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Jason Katie wrote: is it to a workshed or is it to your house? if it is a house, i personally would start with a 25Kw generator for main power under $1 so far, and that's 200 amps of 120 VAC! Maybe even overkill (it's a single-family dwelling, 1400 sq

Re: [Biofuel] To Grid or Not to Grid?

2006-07-15 Thread Mike Weaver
You need to talk to Zeke. For those prices, you could fly him out, have him build you a system and fly back and it would be STILL half as much! Ken Provost wrote: Just got the quote from PGE for the hookup to a power line 700 ft away -- $17000 USD ! Granted, a good standalone system would

Re: [Biofuel] To Grid or Not to Grid?

2006-07-15 Thread Ken Provost
On Jul 15, 2006, at 6:27 PM, Mike Weaver wrote: You need to talk to Zeke. For those prices, you could fly him out, have him build you a system and fly back and it would be STILL half as much! Yo, Zeke !! Is that true? I'm a big believer in consultants, having been one myself in the

Re: [Biofuel] To Grid or Not to Grid?

2006-07-15 Thread Jason Katie
the generator would only be a lightly used temporary, and backup supply later on, at least that was what i had envisioned. Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 15,

Re: [Biofuel] To Grid or Not to Grid?

2006-07-15 Thread Kirk McLoren
you can cogen for 5 cents a kwhr assuming you use the heat. Hardware is about 5 thousand dollars unless you want an electric stove. KirkKen Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got the quote from PGE for the hookup to a power line700 ft away -- $17000 USD !Granted, a good standalone system