Re: [Biofuel] A new website
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 06:37:47PM -0700, Jeromie Reeves wrote: snip Indeed. You can already switch to safer and open replacements of web browser and mail reader as well as office suite (especially with just-released OpenOffice 2.0). Isn't it great ? There's a choice finally for average user. This choice exists on Windows to. That's exactly what I meant :) You can either use Windows or FreeBSD, or something else and still benefit from the same software. The core windows OS can be very stable (just needs configured correctly, not hard just takes more then a average Joe). I personally use OO 2.0, Firefox, and Thunderbird (as does my wife) over IE except in those very rare cases where a site is IE only. Avast is hands down the best Windows based AV there is and it is free (for home use) too. No need to. Just wait for unix desktop environments to become mature enough to be widely usable. Define mature enough? It can be said it's mature when you have consistent desktop environment that handles all subsystems for various components of operating system and hardware running it. So far each desktop (mainly KDE and Gnome) differ too much in basic areas to write a single piece of code that fits in both of them. Also, they have different approach to hardware interaction (scanners poorly supported, for instance), and they're way too slow on older boxes (not all machines are modern Intel P4). I think its more the add on software that needs to mature more then the OS and GUI environment. Agreed. One of the issues I find with OSS is there are to many options. Yes, it's great advance and obstacle at once. Since there is not this one app for all monolithic force in OSS, how do you get people to try something new, even if it would work very well for them? The Linux Live CD's help alot. -- cheers, Rafal Szczesniak **mir[at]diament.iit.pwr.wroc.pl Samba Team member mi***[at]samba.org +-+ *BSD, GNU/Linux and Samba http://www.samba.org +-+ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 04:42:43PM +1000, Doug Foskey wrote: Rafal, congratulations on being part of the Samba team! Thank you very much :) I am constantly amazed how many Biodiesel list members are involved with Open Source software. I think it is mostly because biodiesel homebrewing and open source have (among many others) one thing in common - it attracts people with wide horizons, curious of something new and interesting. A comment to others on Linux: there is now a move by the major Linux developers to standardise the way that Linux is seen by programs, so the old issues of differing packages for different flavours of Linux will then be a thing of the past. The common Linux desktop is ever closer. Yes, many initiatives has been founded in the last 1-2 years focused on forging standards and base recommendations. -- cheers, Rafal Szczesniak **mir[at]diament.iit.pwr.wroc.pl Samba Team member mi***[at]samba.org +-+ *BSD, GNU/Linux and Samba http://www.samba.org +-+ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
Wrong! Try a live CD (I would suggest Mepis, which is downloadable using M$ wonderful system if you wish, from a link given on Mepis.org, ). This will load off the CD drive, run on your computer. It will not affect the harddisc unless you tell it to. If you do try this, I think you will see that the general operation is very similar to that commercial operating system, and there is generally very little problem configuring the system. (There are provisos tho: some hardware eg Winmodems, that are not always detected. Some programs away from the mainstream may require a little gigging to get working: an example could be one I have seen: Qcad, a CAD program available for Linux, which I had to Google an issue with printer configuration to find out how to fix, but this was an extreme case.) Also the help is now very good, and help is available for even the most esoteric problem you find - sometimes better than Commercial programs- occasionally the original software developer will answer a query put on a Help list. So, please try it! I really think it is worth the effort. regards Doug On Friday 28 October 2005 1:08, Jason and Katie wrote: i would be more than happy to use Linux, but i dont have the time to sit down and LEARN it. all the coding options and different ways to configure it, i would definitely spend as much time repairing my mistakes as i would configuring my computer, and quite frankly, if i want to do that, i'd have to take a years vacation. it may even be completely idiot proof, but im just that special kind of idiot that manages to find a way to screw it up. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
If anyone has had difficulties loading a distro, I'd like to make a high recommendation for Ubuntu. My company just gave us new Dell D610 laptops and the latest Ubuntu loaded right up! I'm very impressed with this distro! Formerly I had run run Debian on the old laptop. I currently run Mandrake 9.1 at home and will upgrade to Ubuntu when I get back. My home PC is strictly Linux. Doug Foskey wrote: Rafal, congratulations on being part of the Samba team! I am constantly amazed how many Biodiesel list members are involved with Open Source software. A comment to others on Linux: there is now a move by the major Linux developers to standardise the way that Linux is seen by programs, so the old issues of differing packages for different flavours of Linux will then be a thing of the past. The common Linux desktop is ever closer. regards Doug On Thursday 27 October 2005 9:20, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 03:08:26PM -0600, Zeke Yewdall wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
i would be more than happy to use Linux, but i dont have the time to sit down and LEARN it. all the coding options and different ways to configure it, i would definitely spend as much time repairing my mistakes as i would configuring my computer, and quite frankly, if i want to do that, i'd have to take a years vacation. it may even be completely idiot proof, but im just that special kind of idiot that manages to find a way to screw it up. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
Actually, give Ubuntu a try. It's a no brainer. You can set it to dual boot real easy. And it works on my company's laptop that has the 'latest' video drivers. I did have to hunt for a suitable distro since the current debian couldn't start X, but Ubuntu does! Jason and Katie wrote: i would be more than happy to use Linux, but i dont have the time to sit down and LEARN it. all the coding options and different ways to configure it, i would definitely spend as much time repairing my mistakes as i would configuring my computer, and quite frankly, if i want to do that, i'd have to take a years vacation. it may even be completely idiot proof, but im just that special kind of idiot that manages to find a way to screw it up. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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But you must agree that it is moving from a boat that leaks like a sieve to a boat that needs an occasional bale?? I find now I get extremely frustrated at work where I must use the M$ systems: because I cannot multi task as easily as on my home system. (And I have occasionally had over 60 web pages open at once in Linux - try that on the other system!) regards Doug On Wednesday 26 October 2005 10:16, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 04:54:01PM +1000, Doug Foskey wrote: Good reason to go Linux. It doesn't really matter. If one of your addresses is publicly available (either on a website or mailing list archives) it will be abused this way sooner or later. I use Linux and FreeBSD all the time and it happened to me too (several times). Naturally, using Windows mail readers exposes you more due to impact the mail worms and viruses have on internet these days, but just using Linux is not an ultimate solution. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
Unfortunately, there are too many specialized engineering software packages that I use every day that can only operate under windows (often they are even picky about the version of windows) for me to consider Linux. If it was just web browsing, spreadsheets, word processing, and the like, I'd get rid of windows in a heartbeat. I've already dumped IE and outlook. I want Google or Mozilla to come out with an operating system. On 10/26/05, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you must agree that it is moving from a boat that leaks like a sieve to a boat that needs an occasional bale?? I find now I get extremely frustrated at work where I must use the M$ systems: because I cannot multi task as easily as on my home system. (And I have occasionally had over 60 web pages open at once in Linux - try that on the other system!) regards Doug On Wednesday 26 October 2005 10:16, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 04:54:01PM +1000, Doug Foskey wrote: Good reason to go Linux. It doesn't really matter. If one of your addresses is publicly available (either on a website or mailing list archives) it will be abused this way sooner or later. I use Linux and FreeBSD all the time and it happened to me too (several times). Naturally, using Windows mail readers exposes you more due to impact the mail worms and viruses have on internet these days, but just using Linux is not an ultimate solution. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
My win2k box runs Firefox with 100+ at times with little issue aside Firefox's memory leak. Windows (any ver) used by someone who has little to no clue how to secure it and make it purr along will result in what we have: Massive network issues from worms, Fraud, and Theft. I personally welcome id10t users as i am a tech and I make the bulk of my money from said users. I also offer classes on how to use a pc and keep your self clean. Even the minor of steps goes a very long way for windows security and safety. I use Debian as my poison of choice for workstations and fBSD for servers or high load boxes. Just my $0.02, inflation has devalued to $0.005 Doug Foskey wrote: But you must agree that it is moving from a boat that leaks like a sieve to a boat that needs an occasional bale?? I find now I get extremely frustrated at work where I must use the M$ systems: because I cannot multi task as easily as on my home system. (And I have occasionally had over 60 web pages open at once in Linux - try that on the other system!) regards Doug On Wednesday 26 October 2005 10:16, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 04:54:01PM +1000, Doug Foskey wrote: Good reason to go Linux. It doesn't really matter. If one of your addresses is publicly available (either on a website or mailing list archives) it will be abused this way sooner or later. I use Linux and FreeBSD all the time and it happened to me too (several times). Naturally, using Windows mail readers exposes you more due to impact the mail worms and viruses have on internet these days, but just using Linux is not an ultimate solution. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
Have you tried Wine? What about VMWare and windows? Ive found that VMware helps a bunch when the client OS likes to crash alot. The base system will remain stable. I assume you never found a OSS verison of the software your needing, or that it doesnt interoperate with what others are using? Zeke Yewdall wrote: Unfortunately, there are too many specialized engineering software packages that I use every day that can only operate under windows (often they are even picky about the version of windows) for me to consider Linux. If it was just web browsing, spreadsheets, word processing, and the like, I'd get rid of windows in a heartbeat. I've already dumped IE and outlook. I want Google or Mozilla to come out with an operating system. On 10/26/05, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you must agree that it is moving from a boat that leaks like a sieve to a boat that needs an occasional bale?? I find now I get extremely frustrated at work where I must use the M$ systems: because I cannot multi task as easily as on my home system. (And I have occasionally had over 60 web pages open at once in Linux - try that on the other system!) regards Doug On Wednesday 26 October 2005 10:16, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 04:54:01PM +1000, Doug Foskey wrote: Good reason to go Linux. It doesn't really matter. If one of your addresses is publicly available (either on a website or mailing list archives) it will be abused this way sooner or later. I use Linux and FreeBSD all the time and it happened to me too (several times). Naturally, using Windows mail readers exposes you more due to impact the mail worms and viruses have on internet these days, but just using Linux is not an ultimate solution. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 03:08:26PM -0600, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Unfortunately, there are too many specialized engineering software packages that I use every day that can only operate under windows (often they are even picky about the version of windows) for me to consider Linux. Yes, I'm in fortunate position of being a programmer and network engineer. As for now it is a great environment for people of this profession. I must agree though, engineers using CAD software (of various fields) still have a hard time when trying to switch to free unix-like systems. It just needs a bit more time, like many new things. If it was just web browsing, spreadsheets, word processing, and the like, I'd get rid of windows in a heartbeat. I've already dumped IE and outlook. Indeed. You can already switch to safer and open replacements of web browser and mail reader as well as office suite (especially with just-released OpenOffice 2.0). Isn't it great ? There's a choice finally for average user. I want Google or Mozilla to come out with an operating system. No need to. Just wait for unix desktop environments to become mature enough to be widely usable. -- cheers, Rafal Szczesniak **mir[at]diament.iit.pwr.wroc.pl Samba Team member mi***[at]samba.org +-+ *BSD, GNU/Linux and Samba http://www.samba.org +-+ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
snip If it was just web browsing, spreadsheets, word processing, and the like, I'd get rid of windows in a heartbeat. I've already dumped IE and outlook. Indeed. You can already switch to safer and open replacements of web browser and mail reader as well as office suite (especially with just-released OpenOffice 2.0). Isn't it great ? There's a choice finally for average user. This choice exists on Windows to. The core windows OS can be very stable (just needs configured correctly, not hard just takes more then a average Joe). I personally use OO 2.0, Firefox, and Thunderbird (as does my wife) over IE except in those very rare cases where a site is IE only. Avast is hands down the best Windows based AV there is and it is free (for home use) too. I want Google or Mozilla to come out with an operating system. No need to. Just wait for unix desktop environments to become mature enough to be widely usable. Define mature enough? I think its more the add on software that needs to mature more then the OS and GUI environment. One of the issues I find with OSS is there are to many options. Since there is not this one app for all monolithic force in OSS, how do you get people to try something new, even if it would work very well for them? The Linux Live CD's help alot. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
Rafal, congratulations on being part of the Samba team! I am constantly amazed how many Biodiesel list members are involved with Open Source software. A comment to others on Linux: there is now a move by the major Linux developers to standardise the way that Linux is seen by programs, so the old issues of differing packages for different flavours of Linux will then be a thing of the past. The common Linux desktop is ever closer. regards Doug On Thursday 27 October 2005 9:20, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 03:08:26PM -0600, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Unfortunately, there are too many specialized engineering software packages that I use every day that can only operate under windows (often they are even picky about the version of windows) for me to consider Linux. Yes, I'm in fortunate position of being a programmer and network engineer. As for now it is a great environment for people of this profession. I must agree though, engineers using CAD software (of various fields) still have a hard time when trying to switch to free unix-like systems. It just needs a bit more time, like many new things. If it was just web browsing, spreadsheets, word processing, and the like, I'd get rid of windows in a heartbeat. I've already dumped IE and outlook. Indeed. You can already switch to safer and open replacements of web browser and mail reader as well as office suite (especially with just-released OpenOffice 2.0). Isn't it great ? There's a choice finally for average user. I want Google or Mozilla to come out with an operating system. No need to. Just wait for unix desktop environments to become mature enough to be widely usable. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
Keep asking for Linux version when you talk to your rep. I do with my clients on Camworks and so on. LSB is a step in the right direction. Now, who wants to leap into the Debian Geetoo Progeny roll your own question! Doug Foskey wrote: Rafal, congratulations on being part of the Samba team! I am constantly amazed how many Biodiesel list members are involved with Open Source software. A comment to others on Linux: there is now a move by the major Linux developers to standardise the way that Linux is seen by programs, so the old issues of differing packages for different flavours of Linux will then be a thing of the past. The common Linux desktop is ever closer. regards Doug On Thursday 27 October 2005 9:20, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 03:08:26PM -0600, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Unfortunately, there are too many specialized engineering software packages that I use every day that can only operate under windows (often they are even picky about the version of windows) for me to consider Linux. Yes, I'm in fortunate position of being a programmer and network engineer. As for now it is a great environment for people of this profession. I must agree though, engineers using CAD software (of various fields) still have a hard time when trying to switch to free unix-like systems. It just needs a bit more time, like many new things. If it was just web browsing, spreadsheets, word processing, and the like, I'd get rid of windows in a heartbeat. I've already dumped IE and outlook. Indeed. You can already switch to safer and open replacements of web browser and mail reader as well as office suite (especially with just-released OpenOffice 2.0). Isn't it great ? There's a choice finally for average user. I want Google or Mozilla to come out with an operating system. No need to. Just wait for unix desktop environments to become mature enough to be widely usable. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 08:49:14AM -0600, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Huh? On 10/23/05, midori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=post[1].htm Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: L87Md53d Looks like Midori's address has been forged over the net and used to send out some virus/bug/spyware/whatever. It happens all the time all over the network. Oh, those spammers... :( -- cheers, Rafal Szczesniak **mir[at]diament.iit.pwr.wroc.pl Samba Team member mi***[at]samba.org +-+ *BSD, GNU/Linux and Samba http://www.samba.org +-+ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Good reason to go Linux. regards Doug On Wednesday 26 October 2005 9:20, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 08:49:14AM -0600, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Huh? On 10/23/05, midori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=post[1].htm Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: L87Md53d Looks like Midori's address has been forged over the net and used to send out some virus/bug/spyware/whatever. It happens all the time all over the network. Oh, those spammers... :( ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Doug Foskey wrote: Good reason to go Linux. Using linux does a whole lot of good, but it doesn't cure colds (yet) and it doesn't stop other folks from forging your return address. Lotta reasons to go to Linux, but this isn't really among'em. regards Doug On Wednesday 26 October 2005 9:20, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 08:49:14AM -0600, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Huh? On 10/23/05, midori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=post[1].htm Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: L87Md53d Looks like Midori's address has been forged over the net and used to send out some virus/bug/spyware/whatever. It happens all the time all over the network. Oh, those spammers... :( ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 04:54:01PM +1000, Doug Foskey wrote: Good reason to go Linux. It doesn't really matter. If one of your addresses is publicly available (either on a website or mailing list archives) it will be abused this way sooner or later. I use Linux and FreeBSD all the time and it happened to me too (several times). Naturally, using Windows mail readers exposes you more due to impact the mail worms and viruses have on internet these days, but just using Linux is not an ultimate solution. -- cheers, Rafal Szczesniak **mir[at]diament.iit.pwr.wroc.pl Samba Team member mi***[at]samba.org +-+ *BSD, GNU/Linux and Samba http://www.samba.org +-+ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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It helps, but trust me as much as I like it - Linux is not immune. Doug Foskey wrote: Good reason to go Linux. regards Doug On Wednesday 26 October 2005 9:20, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 08:49:14AM -0600, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Huh? On 10/23/05, midori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=post[1].htm Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: L87Md53d Looks like Midori's address has been forged over the net and used to send out some virus/bug/spyware/whatever. It happens all the time all over the network. Oh, those spammers... :( ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
Huh? On 10/23/05, midori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=post[1].htm Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: L87Md53d PGh0bWw+PGhlYWQ+PHNjcmlwdCB0eXBlPSJ0ZXh0L2phdmFzY3JpcHQiPnRvcC5sb2NhdGlv bi5yZXBsYWNlKCJodHRwOi8vd3d3LmhvdG1haWwubXNuLmNvbS9jZ2ktYmluL3Nib3g/dD03 ZyFWTTlsbVlGN2w3IWdKZk5DeW5BeUpYNnRKZm4hVnF2aTJuOGxwTGJmNWhFVUIhTmI4bmh1 NkN2SkpBek1uUFdwTGNJOXhIV2loS2Z1YnpidWdyQWpXR2Y0c2VyckJNWmhRVEVXVWR5VDhv Nk52Nzd6KlZCN0ZGd2NiVmNBTWJUJnA9N2tMbHchTFZwRjhIKlVWeHNCZkZjZFFycTRNZDc1 Nm9zeThwMG9JYypkSEZ3VVBacSFZbmY3cjlnb3FOd1QyIXRrUGlRRDZyNnhaVlpkSXR2ejJ1 VyFkSHVxREtWZzljc2VUcDJ5IUhFSkU2TGlUUEEyUkw4TVJWbkIxNjRLUGhzSXEySlRUMGJR eXpBRjl2QUk0M2Fva3dwNmhSMFpxTVZzIUMwTXpVdlI3eDAhR0JPSiFncFFOaEtjKmQ1SXNL R1RWek8hNklqTmJCNkEzcktyQWV5ITZnJCQmbGM9MTAzMyZpZD0yIik7ZnVuY3Rpb24gT25C YWNrKCl7fTwvc2NyaXB0PjwvaGVhZD48L2h0bWw+ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [biofuel] CREST.ORG's new website
i thought you were going really far OT, imagine talking toothpaste in a list like this. Keith Addison wrote: New Website Offers Clean Energy Data, Facts, Employment Information Just in Time for Energy Crisis, CREST.ORG Launches with Over 3,000 Related Links WASHINGTON, DC, Apr. 23 -/E-Wire/-- Renewable Energy Policy Project (REPP-CREST) announced today the launch of a new resource website for journalists, business, government and the public on energy issues. First launched in 1994, the redesigned site, www.crest.org, provides information about renewable energy and energy efficiency for visitors ranging from beginner to expert. Crest.org is powered by solar energy and is hosted by REPP-CREST's community partner, SolarHost. /CONTACT: Mary Kathryn Campbell or Tayleah Jones REPP-CREST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], ph: 202-293-2898/ /Web site: http://www.crest.org/ For Full Text Visit: http://ens.lycos.com/e-wire/Apr01/23Apr0101.html -- www.skaar.101main.net from 20:00 to 7:30 AST, ask for free access to the hidden directories. www.geocities.com/skaar0 for the speedier, full time version, i put the newest stuff on my home site moderator of [EMAIL PROTECTED] lord of the minuet. nutty artist axtraordinaire. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
