Re: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise...
I'd probably be an Independant except then you can't vote in the primaries in most states... JJJN wrote: Hi Mike, I am responding to this post as a matter curious interest. I wonder if this country would be in better shape if there were no such thing as the Party system. For example, I have steadily been drifting apart from any affiliation and instead just looking at the issues, hearing out and researching them, and deciding what my view point is, and I no longer care if my new perspective crosses a party mentality whatsoever. I am usually just a listening post anymore, and spend more time thinking out what I have heard to dissect it from several perspectives. I find this to be rather eye opening and enlightening but also scary as some of those sacred beliefs can get trashed and replaced. Anyway I was just wondering what your response to this might be as I respect your opinions and viewpoints along with others on this list. Jim Mike Weaver wrote: Outside of my little nest here on the East Coast I feel like a stranger in my own land. I go to the Midwest to visit family and I cannot and do not talk to them about politics.. I have come to realize, after 40 years, that they won't and probably can't change. I prize family above rhetoric. I have finally learned it is better, in some cases to be happy than to be right. OTOH, I did not live thru what they did: WWII, most of them have been working since they could walk, and did not have the benefits I have had. My father left Arkansas in his teens, got a degree, was drafted and got a PhD. He moved East and saw to it that his childred all went to college and grad school. We have all travelled overseas and in some cases lived and/or worked in the 3rd world. As Mark Twain said: nothing is as deadly to prejudice as travel. I have to agree with pretty much everything you say. Except, we have no real foreign policy, nor do we really have an energy policy. We have a bully policy. No wonder 90% or the world is mad at us. I don't blame them. OTOH, the French are not without warts - look at West Africa. I am also interested to see what happens with Western Europe with regards to their economies. The Western European countries are belatedly realizing you can't just conjure an economy. You have to have money before you can have generous social programs. This what Germany and France are wrestling with now. I personally think a realistic economic base - fewer regulations in some cases - in France it's pratically illegal to start a small business, and God help you if you fail - you can expect to investigated for fraud no matter what happened. Complain about the USll you want but you can start a business w/o fear of gaol. This one of the thing we do have to offer as a model for other countries. This country has a ways to go in terms of social programs. I still can't believe we don't have SOME form of national health. The current system is collapsing. My sister is a doctor and I can tell you the current program is failing. I also believe that we need some form child care - if both parents must work there must be a safe place for their children. Europe is miles ahead of us here. I rattle on... Mike Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, Ugly is your addition and I love Americans, the only thing that I do not like is their foreign policies, energy policies. and the political/economy corruption by the US corporations. By the way, I also like the French. My daughter in law and grandchildren are French. Hakan At 23:21 14/10/2005, you wrote: !! What about us ugly Americans? Hakan Falk wrote: I really like this list and its members, including the French and Canadian French. LOL It is fun with the sparks and the humor. Hakan At 20:52 14/10/2005, you wrote: I generally take a shower once a month whether I need it or not. (in the summer of course, in the winter we can take snow baths every day) PS for all you foreigners. underwear can be recycled four times (inside out, back and front) this is of course common sense to Canadians but I am sensitive to the international nature of this list. Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: Mike Weaver a crit : M. Falk: As a person with (minor) French ancestry, I am shocked and offended at your suggestion that the French do not bathe regularly. I challenge you to defend yourself in a duel of honor. Shampoo at fifty yards, the first one to achieve a glossy sheen to be declared the winner. I name as my seconds Vidal Sasoon and the Breck girl. If the first duel is not satisfactory, we will rinse and repeat. Prepare to meet your suds. M. Weaver M. Weaver, I am very grateful of your
Re: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise...
Now don't start inviting everybody to the Ozarks. I warn any and all that we more ticks, chiggers, poison ivy, and greeenbriar than anywhere on the planet. absolutely inhospitable these Ozark mountains. Persimmons are ripening now and attract no end of critters- skunks, possums, armadillos, raccoons, etc. They keep my dogs barking all night. I haven't slept in days... Mike Weaver wrote: Prairie Grove, Ark. My dad got a BS in Business (56?) and never looked back. Seen the business end of too many miles, I guess. I spent a lot of time in Fayetteville. Pretty country. Still have family there - used to summer at Devil's Den state park - laje weddngton - it goes on. Dear Mr. Mike Weaver: ¡Wellcome to the club!!!... I lived and got my master´s degree in Fayetteville, Ark. long time ago, back in 1973. I allways desidered to meet an american with at least some afinity with my line of thought. RSVP Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise... Outside of my little nest here on the East Coast I feel like a stranger in my own land. I go to the Midwest to visit family and I cannot and do not talk to them about politics.. I have come to realize, after 40 years, that they won't and probably can't change. I prize family above rhetoric. I have finally learned it is better, in some cases to be happy than to be right. OTOH, I did not live thru what they did: WWII, most of them have been working since they could walk, and did not have the benefits I have had. My father left Arkansas in his teens, got a degree, was drafted and got a PhD. He moved East and saw to it that his childred all went to college and grad school. We have all travelled overseas and in some cases lived and/or worked in the 3rd world. As Mark Twain said: nothing is as deadly to prejudice as travel. I have to agree with pretty much everything you say. Except, we have no real foreign policy, nor do we really have an energy policy. We have a bully policy. No wonder 90% or the world is mad at us. I don't blame them. OTOH, the French are not without warts - look at West Africa. I am also interested to see what happens with Western Europe with regards to their economies. The Western European countries are belatedly realizing you can't just conjure an economy. You have to have money before you can have generous social programs. This what Germany and France are wrestling with now. I personally think a realistic economic base - fewer regulations in some cases - in France it's pratically illegal to start a small business, and God help you if you fail - you can expect to investigated for fraud no matter what happened. Complain about the USll you want but you can start a business w/o fear of gaol. This one of the thing we do have to offer as a model for other countries. This country has a ways to go in terms of social programs. I still can't believe we don't have SOME form of national health. The current system is collapsing. My sister is a doctor and I can tell you the current program is failing. I also believe that we need some form child care - if both parents must work there must be a safe place for their children. Europe is miles ahead of us here. I rattle on... Mike Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, Ugly is your addition and I love Americans, the only thing that I do not like is their foreign policies, energy policies. and the political/economy corruption by the US corporations. By the way, I also like the French. My daughter in law and grandchildren are French. Hakan At 23:21 14/10/2005, you wrote: !! What about us ugly Americans? Hakan Falk wrote: I really like this list and its members, including the French and Canadian French. LOL It is fun with the sparks and the humor. Hakan At 20:52 14/10/2005, you wrote: I generally take a shower once a month whether I need it or not. (in the summer of course, in the winter we can take snow baths every day) PS for all you foreigners. underwear can be recycled four times (inside out, back and front) this is of course common sense to Canadians but I am sensitive to the international nature of this list. Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: Mike Weaver a écrit : M. Falk: As a person with (minor) French ancestry, I am shocked and offended at your suggestion that the French do not bathe regularly. I challenge you to defend yourself in a duel of honor. Shampoo at fifty yards, the first one to achieve a glossy sheen to be declared the winner. I name as my seconds Vidal Sasoon and the Breck girl. If the first duel is not satisfactory, we will rinse and repeat. Prepare to meet your suds. M. Weaver M. Weaver, I am very grateful of your sollicitude, but be careful,
Re: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise...
Dear Mr. Mike Weaver: ¡Wellcome to the club!!!... I lived and got my master´s degree in Fayetteville, Ark. long time ago, back in 1973. I allways desidered to meet an american with at least some afinity with my line of thought. RSVP Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise... Outside of my little nest here on the East Coast I feel like a stranger in my own land. I go to the Midwest to visit family and I cannot and do not talk to them about politics.. I have come to realize, after 40 years, that they won't and probably can't change. I prize family above rhetoric. I have finally learned it is better, in some cases to be happy than to be right. OTOH, I did not live thru what they did: WWII, most of them have been working since they could walk, and did not have the benefits I have had.My father left Arkansas in his teens, got a degree, was drafted and got a PhD. He moved East and saw to it that his childred all went to college and grad school. We have all travelled overseas and in some cases lived and/or worked in the 3rd world. As Mark Twain said: nothing is as deadly to prejudice as travel.I have to agree with pretty much everything you say. Except, we have no real foreign policy, nor do we really have an energy policy. We have a bully policy.No wonder 90% or the world is mad at us. I don't blame them.OTOH, the French are not without warts - look at West Africa. I am also interested to see what happens with Western Europe with regards to their economies.The Western European countries are belatedly realizing you can't just conjure an economy. You have to have money before you can have generous social programs. This what Germany and France are wrestling with now. I personally think a realistic economic base - fewer regulations in some cases - in France it's pratically illegal to start a small business, and God help you if you fail - you can expect to investigated for fraud no matter what happened. Complain about the USll you want but you can start a business w/o fear of gaol. This one of the thing we do have to offer as a model for other countries.This country has a ways to go in terms of social programs. I still can't believe we don't have SOME form of national health. The current system is collapsing. My sister is a doctor and I can tell you the current program is failing. I also believe that we need some form child care - if both parents must work there must be a safe place for their children. Europe is miles ahead of us here.I rattle on...MikeHakan Falk wrote: Mike, Ugly is your addition and I love Americans, the only thing that I do not like is their foreign policies, energy policies. and the political/economy corruption by the US corporations. By the way, I also like the French. My daughter in law and grandchildren are French. Hakan At 23:21 14/10/2005, you wrote: !! What about us ugly Americans? Hakan Falk wrote: I really like this list and its members, including the French and Canadian French. LOL It is fun with the sparks and the humor. Hakan At 20:52 14/10/2005, you wrote: I generally take a shower once a month whether I need it or not. (in the summer of course, in the winter we can take snow baths every day) PS for all you foreigners. underwear can be recycled four times (inside out, back and front) this is of course common sense to Canadians but I am sensitive to the international nature of this list. Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: Mike Weaver a écrit : M. Falk: As a person with (minor) French ancestry, I am shocked and offended at your suggestion that the French do not bathe regularly. I challenge you to defend yourself in a duel of honor. Shampoo at fifty yards, the first one to achieve a glossy sheen to be declared the winner. I name as my seconds Vidal Sasoon and the Breck girl. If the first duel is not satisfactory, we will rinse and repeat. Prepare to meet your suds. M. Weaver M. Weaver, I am very grateful of your sollicitude, but be careful, scandinavians are famous for their weapons of mass desinfection. They could invite you into a steam bath until you've been cooked, before roll you in snow or dive in icy water. None a civilized gentleman as you surely are can resist such a barbarian treatment. And since Volvo refused to married Renault, we are in bad t(h)erms. M. Desprez ( with half of my ancestry from Normandy, so Hakan is maybe a cousin of mine) ___ Biofuel mailing list mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise...
Prairie Grove, Ark. My dad got a BS in Business (56?) and never looked back. Seen the business end of too many miles, I guess. I spent a lot of time in Fayetteville. Pretty country. Still have family there - used to summer at Devil's Den state park - laje weddngton - it goes on. Dear Mr. Mike Weaver: ¡Wellcome to the club!!!... I lived and got my master´s degree in Fayetteville, Ark. long time ago, back in 1973. I allways desidered to meet an american with at least some afinity with my line of thought. RSVP Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise... Outside of my little nest here on the East Coast I feel like a stranger in my own land. I go to the Midwest to visit family and I cannot and do not talk to them about politics.. I have come to realize, after 40 years, that they won't and probably can't change. I prize family above rhetoric. I have finally learned it is better, in some cases to be happy than to be right. OTOH, I did not live thru what they did: WWII, most of them have been working since they could walk, and did not have the benefits I have had. My father left Arkansas in his teens, got a degree, was drafted and got a PhD. He moved East and saw to it that his childred all went to college and grad school. We have all travelled overseas and in some cases lived and/or worked in the 3rd world. As Mark Twain said: nothing is as deadly to prejudice as travel. I have to agree with pretty much everything you say. Except, we have no real foreign policy, nor do we really have an energy policy. We have a bully policy. No wonder 90% or the world is mad at us. I don't blame them. OTOH, the French are not without warts - look at West Africa. I am also interested to see what happens with Western Europe with regards to their economies. The Western European countries are belatedly realizing you can't just conjure an economy. You have to have money before you can have generous social programs. This what Germany and France are wrestling with now. I personally think a realistic economic base - fewer regulations in some cases - in France it's pratically illegal to start a small business, and God help you if you fail - you can expect to investigated for fraud no matter what happened. Complain about the USll you want but you can start a business w/o fear of gaol. This one of the thing we do have to offer as a model for other countries. This country has a ways to go in terms of social programs. I still can't believe we don't have SOME form of national health. The current system is collapsing. My sister is a doctor and I can tell you the current program is failing. I also believe that we need some form child care - if both parents must work there must be a safe place for their children. Europe is miles ahead of us here. I rattle on... Mike Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, Ugly is your addition and I love Americans, the only thing that I do not like is their foreign policies, energy policies. and the political/economy corruption by the US corporations. By the way, I also like the French. My daughter in law and grandchildren are French. Hakan At 23:21 14/10/2005, you wrote: !! What about us ugly Americans? Hakan Falk wrote: I really like this list and its members, including the French and Canadian French. LOL It is fun with the sparks and the humor. Hakan At 20:52 14/10/2005, you wrote: I generally take a shower once a month whether I need it or not. (in the summer of course, in the winter we can take snow baths every day) PS for all you foreigners. underwear can be recycled four times (inside out, back and front) this is of course common sense to Canadians but I am sensitive to the international nature of this list. Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: Mike Weaver a écrit : M. Falk: As a person with (minor) French ancestry, I am shocked and offended at your suggestion that the French do not bathe regularly. I challenge you to defend yourself in a duel of honor. Shampoo at fifty yards, the first one to achieve a glossy sheen to be declared the winner. I name as my seconds Vidal Sasoon and the Breck girl. If the first duel is not satisfactory, we will rinse and repeat. Prepare to meet your suds. M. Weaver M. Weaver, I am very grateful of your sollicitude, but be careful, scandinavians are famous for their weapons of mass desinfection. They could invite you into a steam bath until you've been cooked, before roll you in snow or dive in icy water. None a civilized gentleman as you surely are can resist such a barbarian treatment. And since Volvo refused to married Renault, we are in bad t(h)erms. M. Desprez ( with half of my ancestry from Normandy, so Hakan is maybe a
Re: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise...
Hi Mike, I am responding to this post as a matter curious interest. I wonder if this country would be in better shape if there were no such thing as the Party system. For example, I have steadily been drifting apart from any affiliation and instead just looking at the issues, hearing out and researching them, and deciding what my view point is, and I no longer care if my new perspective crosses a party mentality whatsoever. I am usually just a listening post anymore, and spend more time thinking out what I have heard to dissect it from several perspectives. I find this to be rather eye opening and enlightening but also scary as some of those sacred beliefs can get trashed and replaced. Anyway I was just wondering what your response to this might be as I respect your opinions and viewpoints along with others on this list. Jim Mike Weaver wrote: Outside of my little nest here on the East Coast I feel like a stranger in my own land. I go to the Midwest to visit family and I cannot and do not talk to them about politics.. I have come to realize, after 40 years, that they won't and probably can't change. I prize family above rhetoric. I have finally learned it is better, in some cases to be happy than to be right. OTOH, I did not live thru what they did: WWII, most of them have been working since they could walk, and did not have the benefits I have had. My father left Arkansas in his teens, got a degree, was drafted and got a PhD. He moved East and saw to it that his childred all went to college and grad school. We have all travelled overseas and in some cases lived and/or worked in the 3rd world. As Mark Twain said: nothing is as deadly to prejudice as travel. I have to agree with pretty much everything you say. Except, we have no real foreign policy, nor do we really have an energy policy. We have a bully policy. No wonder 90% or the world is mad at us. I don't blame them. OTOH, the French are not without warts - look at West Africa. I am also interested to see what happens with Western Europe with regards to their economies. The Western European countries are belatedly realizing you can't just conjure an economy. You have to have money before you can have generous social programs. This what Germany and France are wrestling with now. I personally think a realistic economic base - fewer regulations in some cases - in France it's pratically illegal to start a small business, and God help you if you fail - you can expect to investigated for fraud no matter what happened. Complain about the USll you want but you can start a business w/o fear of gaol. This one of the thing we do have to offer as a model for other countries. This country has a ways to go in terms of social programs. I still can't believe we don't have SOME form of national health. The current system is collapsing. My sister is a doctor and I can tell you the current program is failing. I also believe that we need some form child care - if both parents must work there must be a safe place for their children. Europe is miles ahead of us here. I rattle on... Mike Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, Ugly is your addition and I love Americans, the only thing that I do not like is their foreign policies, energy policies. and the political/economy corruption by the US corporations. By the way, I also like the French. My daughter in law and grandchildren are French. Hakan At 23:21 14/10/2005, you wrote: !! What about us ugly Americans? Hakan Falk wrote: I really like this list and its members, including the French and Canadian French. LOL It is fun with the sparks and the humor. Hakan At 20:52 14/10/2005, you wrote: I generally take a shower once a month whether I need it or not. (in the summer of course, in the winter we can take snow baths every day) PS for all you foreigners. underwear can be recycled four times (inside out, back and front) this is of course common sense to Canadians but I am sensitive to the international nature of this list. Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: Mike Weaver a écrit : M. Falk: As a person with (minor) French ancestry, I am shocked and offended at your suggestion that the French do not bathe regularly. I challenge you to defend yourself in a duel of honor. Shampoo at fifty yards, the first one to achieve a glossy sheen to be declared the winner. I name as my seconds Vidal Sasoon and the Breck girl. If the first duel is not satisfactory, we will rinse and repeat. Prepare to meet your suds. M. Weaver M. Weaver, I am very grateful of your sollicitude, but be careful, scandinavians are famous for their weapons of mass desinfection. They could invite you into a steam bath until you've been cooked, before roll you in snow or dive in icy water. None a civilized gentleman as you surely are can resist such a barbarian treatment. And since Volvo refused to
Re: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise...
I saw an analysis somewhere before the last election, which pointed out that the two parties in the US are really made up several factions that really have little in common. For example the Republican party is made up of fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, and neo-cons/war hawks. These groups are not at all the same (and many of the fiscal conservatives are pretty bewildered by the direction Bush and Co. are taking the country), yet they are all classified as republicans. Similar, the Democratic party is made up of at least two or three disparate sub-groups. These subgroups have to claim to represent one party or another to get anywhere in our political system, but it would be very interesting (and perhaps more interesting to voters too) if there were more like 6 parties, instead of just two conglomerations. On 10/15/05, JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike, I am responding to this post as a matter curious interest. I wonder if this country would be in better shape if there were no such thing as the Party system. For example, I have steadily been drifting apart from any affiliation and instead just looking at the issues, hearing out and researching them, and deciding what my view point is, and I no longer care if my new perspective crosses a party mentality whatsoever. I am usually just a listening post anymore, and spend more time thinking out what I have heard to dissect it from several perspectives. I find this to be rather eye opening and enlightening but also scary as some of those sacred beliefs can get trashed and replaced. Anyway I was just wondering what your response to this might be as I respect your opinions and viewpoints along with others on this list. Jim Mike Weaver wrote: Outside of my little nest here on the East Coast I feel like a stranger in my own land. I go to the Midwest to visit family and I cannot and do not talk to them about politics.. I have come to realize, after 40 years, that they won't and probably can't change. I prize family above rhetoric. I have finally learned it is better, in some cases to be happy than to be right. OTOH, I did not live thru what they did: WWII, most of them have been working since they could walk, and did not have the benefits I have had. My father left Arkansas in his teens, got a degree, was drafted and got a PhD. He moved East and saw to it that his childred all went to college and grad school. We have all travelled overseas and in some cases lived and/or worked in the 3rd world. As Mark Twain said: nothing is as deadly to prejudice as travel. I have to agree with pretty much everything you say. Except, we have no real foreign policy, nor do we really have an energy policy. We have a bully policy. No wonder 90% or the world is mad at us. I don't blame them. OTOH, the French are not without warts - look at West Africa. I am also interested to see what happens with Western Europe with regards to their economies. The Western European countries are belatedly realizing you can't just conjure an economy. You have to have money before you can have generous social programs. This what Germany and France are wrestling with now. I personally think a realistic economic base - fewer regulations in some cases - in France it's pratically illegal to start a small business, and God help you if you fail - you can expect to investigated for fraud no matter what happened. Complain about the USll you want but you can start a business w/o fear of gaol. This one of the thing we do have to offer as a model for other countries. This country has a ways to go in terms of social programs. I still can't believe we don't have SOME form of national health. The current system is collapsing. My sister is a doctor and I can tell you the current program is failing. I also believe that we need some form child care - if both parents must work there must be a safe place for their children. Europe is miles ahead of us here. I rattle on... Mike Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, Ugly is your addition and I love Americans, the only thing that I do not like is their foreign policies, energy policies. and the political/economy corruption by the US corporations. By the way, I also like the French. My daughter in law and grandchildren are French. Hakan At 23:21 14/10/2005, you wrote: !! What about us ugly Americans? Hakan Falk wrote: I really like this list and its members, including the French and Canadian French. LOL It is fun with the sparks and the humor. Hakan At 20:52 14/10/2005, you wrote: I generally take a shower once a month whether I need it or not. (in the summer of course, in the winter we can take snow baths every day) PS for all you foreigners. underwear can be recycled four times (inside out, back and front) this is of course common sense to Canadians but I am sensitive to the
