Re: [Biofuel] witness for the prosecution
from link - snip DF Because the electric grid is in place This is not like fusion power or even developing an electric car. I think there's a gentleman who's developed a [plug-in] kit ... so Detroit can't say they don't know how to do it. --The grid is maxed out in many cases. Can anyone say brownout or blackout? An electric car powered by the cogen that heats the house and hot water - maybe But existing grid - sorry,noEven if you string more wire and add plants they will be coal which pollutes more than oil and you have the losses at each conversion step and distribution as well.I am for an electric car but the power supply will probably have to be solar. Solar thermal to be more exact.Kirk AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Witness for the prosecutionEnergy guru S. David Freeman on who killed the electric car http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php?entry_id=1008. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] witness for the prosecution
Kirk, The grid is maxed out during peak times in some places (California, the Northeast) like on summer afternoons when it is hot, but the idea would be to charge the cars at night or off-peak times when power generation, transmission and distribution are in excess. Many electric utilities across the country offer 'time of use' rates that charge different per kWh prices depending on the hour of the day it is used. On peak is most expensive followed by a shoulder peak and off peak is the cheapest. I agree that distributed renewable, co-gen generation is the long term solution,but I think in most places plugin hybrids are more than feasible.On 7/7/06, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from link - snip DF Because the electric grid is in place This is not like fusion power or even developing an electric car. I think there's a gentleman who's developed a [plug-in] kit ... so Detroit can't say they don't know how to do it. --The grid is maxed out in many cases. Can anyone say brownout or blackout? An electric car powered by the cogen that heats the house and hot water - maybe But existing grid - sorry,noEven if you string more wire and add plants they will be coal which pollutes more than oil and you have the losses at each conversion step and distribution as well. I am for an electric car but the power supply will probably have to be solar. Solar thermal to be more exact.Kirk AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Witness for the prosecutionEnergy guru S. David Freeman on who killed the electric car http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php?entry_id=1008. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switchWe don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] witness for the prosecution
If a comprehensive energy strategy includes all the alternatives to petroleum, and it's implemented as such, the burden to the grid (as we know it) would also change. (IMO) cars, homes, towns cities, etc. would benefit from a hybrid philosophy, especially if there are no preconceived notions as to the composition of a hybrid. It's just assumed to be an amalgam of solar, wind, hyro, biofuel, etc. (IMO), if current flowed in many directions instead of one, we adopt a modular approach and brake it down into smaller community sub-grids, the distribution of power might be more homogeneous and a resulting decrease in line losses would reduce the burden on both the grid and the source, allowing electric cars (for example) to be integrated into such a system. ...my $.02 - Redler Paul S Cantrell wrote: Kirk, The grid is maxed out during peak times in some places (California, the Northeast) like on summer afternoons when it is hot, but the idea would be to charge the cars at night or off-peak times when power generation, transmission and distribution are in excess. Many electric utilities across the country offer 'time of use' rates that charge different per kWh prices depending on the hour of the day it is used. On peak is most expensive followed by a shoulder peak and off peak is the cheapest. I agree that distributed renewable, co-gen generation is the long term solution,but I think in most places plugin hybrids are more than feasible. On 7/7/06, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from link - snip DF Because the electric grid is in place This is not like fusion power or even developing an electric car. I think there's a gentleman who's developed a [plug-in] kit ... so Detroit can't say they don't know how to do it. -- The grid is maxed out in many cases. Can anyone say brownout or blackout? An electric car powered by the cogen that heats the house and hot water - maybe But existing grid - sorry,no Even if you string more wire and add plants they will be coal which pollutes more than oil and you have the losses at each conversion step and distribution as well. I am for an electric car but the power supply will probably have to be solar. Solar thermal to be more exact. Kirk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
