Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:21:45 -0800 (PST), you wrote: When I lived in Illinois in the late 70's, they had just started selling Gassahol (10%eth, 90%gas), and I started using it. Within 2 months the fuel filter clogged due to the tank clearing. Just replaced the fuel filter and all was well. Didn't seem to be any effect on the rubber parts at all. BTW, I had a 350 Camaro (hopped up of course) and it did way better on the gassahol than standard petrol. I used to street race it sometimes . but that is another story better left unsaid. James Slayden This report of older-cars-fuels running into this temporary filtering issue fits with what was passed on to Keith by another poster. I must have confused it with the other notes I've read here about filter issues in the process of transitioning to biodiesel Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:21:45 -0800 (PST), you wrote: When I lived in Illinois in the late 70's, they had just started selling Gassahol (10%eth, 90%gas), and I started using it. Within 2 months the fuel filter clogged due to the tank clearing. Just replaced the fuel filter and all was well. Didn't seem to be any effect on the rubber parts at all. BTW, I had a 350 Camaro (hopped up of course) and it did way better on the gassahol than standard petrol. I used to street race it sometimes . but that is another story better left unsaid. James Slayden This report of older-cars-fuels running into this temporary filtering issue fits with what was passed on to Keith by another poster. I must have confused it with the other notes I've read here about filter issues in the process of transitioning to biodiesel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel
When I lived in Illinois in the late 70's, they had just started selling Gassahol (10%eth, 90%gas), and I started using it. Within 2 months the fuel filter clogged due to the tank clearing. Just replaced the fuel filter and all was well. Didn't seem to be any effect on the rubber parts at all. BTW, I had a 350 Camaro (hopped up of course) and it did way better on the gassahol than standard petrol. I used to street race it sometimes . but that is another story better left unsaid. James Slayden On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, murdoch wrote: Trials conducted in NSW on their own vehicle fleet since 1992 by Park Petroleum, and in the wider NSW fleet since 1994, clearly indicate that the wide range of new and advanced technologies introduced into the global vehicle fleet over the past twenty years provide vehicles with the capacity to operate on higher ethanol blends without experiencing drivability or operability difficulties. This is really what I'm after. The rest, while interesting and relevant, is not at the heart of it. I'm aware, for example, that an attempt to limit things to 10%, if unwarranted, is just a pretext by the petroleum companies to keep most of their monopoly on providing fuel for transportation. One thing on my mind is that if there are any differences or effects, or even just something minor that a new user of a 20% ethanol blend might need to know in order to be better prepared for any effects, then it's arguable that they should have some labeling might help such drivers. But I guess a decent widespread publicity campaign (your fuel filter may temporarily be clogged due to long-term buildup of this or that, here is what to do about that) would also help. Why would there be damage? What damage has there been in Brazil, the US, and elsewhere, where millions or billions of miles have been driven on higher blends than that, without damage or being stopped cold by water? What damage has there been in Autralia? If there was any actual damage it would surely have been trundled out rather than an outboard motor that might stall or something. I have never used an appreciable amount of ethanol in a vehicle. Once or twice over the years I've seen angry or upset letters of drivers who have traveled to an area where ethanol was introduced to their cars and they believed it has caused a problem or two. So, I do not wish to dismiss out-of-hand the idea that there could be an adverse affect upon vehicle performance from introduction of ethanol where it has not been used before, or where its amount had previously been at lower percentages. Adverse performance might be something as simple as temporarily clogged fuel filter, or something worse that I don't appreciate. I figure I'll ask the question, since it's being raised, and since possibly others are reluctant to ask. Obviously, the over-riding issue is that the Petroleum Monopoly is being unethical and spreading disinformation. In order for me to sort the information from the disinformation (the most effective lies having just enough truth to them) I need to look around a bit. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel
When I lived in Illinois in the late 70's, they had just started selling Gassahol (10%eth, 90%gas), and I started using it. Within 2 months the fuel filter clogged due to the tank clearing. Just replaced the fuel filter and all was well. Didn't seem to be any effect on the rubber parts at all. BTW, I had a 350 Camaro (hopped up of course) and it did way better on the gassahol than standard petrol. I used to street race it sometimes . but that is another story better left unsaid. James Slayden On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, murdoch wrote: Trials conducted in NSW on their own vehicle fleet since 1992 by Park Petroleum, and in the wider NSW fleet since 1994, clearly indicate that the wide range of new and advanced technologies introduced into the global vehicle fleet over the past twenty years provide vehicles with the capacity to operate on higher ethanol blends without experiencing drivability or operability difficulties. This is really what I'm after. The rest, while interesting and relevant, is not at the heart of it. I'm aware, for example, that an attempt to limit things to 10%, if unwarranted, is just a pretext by the petroleum companies to keep most of their monopoly on providing fuel for transportation. One thing on my mind is that if there are any differences or effects, or even just something minor that a new user of a 20% ethanol blend might need to know in order to be better prepared for any effects, then it's arguable that they should have some labeling might help such drivers. But I guess a decent widespread publicity campaign (your fuel filter may temporarily be clogged due to long-term buildup of this or that, here is what to do about that) would also help. Why would there be damage? What damage has there been in Brazil, the US, and elsewhere, where millions or billions of miles have been driven on higher blends than that, without damage or being stopped cold by water? What damage has there been in Autralia? If there was any actual damage it would surely have been trundled out rather than an outboard motor that might stall or something. I have never used an appreciable amount of ethanol in a vehicle. Once or twice over the years I've seen angry or upset letters of drivers who have traveled to an area where ethanol was introduced to their cars and they believed it has caused a problem or two. So, I do not wish to dismiss out-of-hand the idea that there could be an adverse affect upon vehicle performance from introduction of ethanol where it has not been used before, or where its amount had previously been at lower percentages. Adverse performance might be something as simple as temporarily clogged fuel filter, or something worse that I don't appreciate. I figure I'll ask the question, since it's being raised, and since possibly others are reluctant to ask. Obviously, the over-riding issue is that the Petroleum Monopoly is being unethical and spreading disinformation. In order for me to sort the information from the disinformation (the most effective lies having just enough truth to them) I need to look around a bit. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel
Trials conducted in NSW on their own vehicle fleet since 1992 by Park Petroleum, and in the wider NSW fleet since 1994, clearly indicate that the wide range of new and advanced technologies introduced into the global vehicle fleet over the past twenty years provide vehicles with the capacity to operate on higher ethanol blends without experiencing drivability or operability difficulties. This is really what I'm after. The rest, while interesting and relevant, is not at the heart of it. I'm aware, for example, that an attempt to limit things to 10%, if unwarranted, is just a pretext by the petroleum companies to keep most of their monopoly on providing fuel for transportation. One thing on my mind is that if there are any differences or effects, or even just something minor that a new user of a 20% ethanol blend might need to know in order to be better prepared for any effects, then it's arguable that they should have some labeling might help such drivers. But I guess a decent widespread publicity campaign (your fuel filter may temporarily be clogged due to long-term buildup of this or that, here is what to do about that) would also help. Why would there be damage? What damage has there been in Brazil, the US, and elsewhere, where millions or billions of miles have been driven on higher blends than that, without damage or being stopped cold by water? What damage has there been in Autralia? If there was any actual damage it would surely have been trundled out rather than an outboard motor that might stall or something. I have never used an appreciable amount of ethanol in a vehicle. Once or twice over the years I've seen angry or upset letters of drivers who have traveled to an area where ethanol was introduced to their cars and they believed it has caused a problem or two. So, I do not wish to dismiss out-of-hand the idea that there could be an adverse affect upon vehicle performance from introduction of ethanol where it has not been used before, or where its amount had previously been at lower percentages. Adverse performance might be something as simple as temporarily clogged fuel filter, or something worse that I don't appreciate. I figure I'll ask the question, since it's being raised, and since possibly others are reluctant to ask. Obviously, the over-riding issue is that the Petroleum Monopoly is being unethical and spreading disinformation. In order for me to sort the information from the disinformation (the most effective lies having just enough truth to them) I need to look around a bit. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel
Trials conducted in NSW on their own vehicle fleet since 1992 by Park Petroleum, and in the wider NSW fleet since 1994, clearly indicate that the wide range of new and advanced technologies introduced into the global vehicle fleet over the past twenty years provide vehicles with the capacity to operate on higher ethanol blends without experiencing drivability or operability difficulties. This is really what I'm after. The rest, while interesting and relevant, is not at the heart of it. I'm aware, for example, that an attempt to limit things to 10%, if unwarranted, is just a pretext by the petroleum companies to keep most of their monopoly on providing fuel for transportation. One thing on my mind is that if there are any differences or effects, or even just something minor that a new user of a 20% ethanol blend might need to know in order to be better prepared for any effects, then it's arguable that they should have some labeling might help such drivers. But I guess a decent widespread publicity campaign (your fuel filter may temporarily be clogged due to long-term buildup of this or that, here is what to do about that) would also help. Why would there be damage? What damage has there been in Brazil, the US, and elsewhere, where millions or billions of miles have been driven on higher blends than that, without damage or being stopped cold by water? What damage has there been in Autralia? If there was any actual damage it would surely have been trundled out rather than an outboard motor that might stall or something. I have never used an appreciable amount of ethanol in a vehicle. Once or twice over the years I've seen angry or upset letters of drivers who have traveled to an area where ethanol was introduced to their cars and they believed it has caused a problem or two. So, I do not wish to dismiss out-of-hand the idea that there could be an adverse affect upon vehicle performance from introduction of ethanol where it has not been used before, or where its amount had previously been at lower percentages. Adverse performance might be something as simple as temporarily clogged fuel filter, or something worse that I don't appreciate. I figure I'll ask the question, since it's being raised, and since possibly others are reluctant to ask. Obviously, the over-riding issue is that the Petroleum Monopoly is being unethical and spreading disinformation. In order for me to sort the information from the disinformation (the most effective lies having just enough truth to them) I need to look around a bit. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Australia puts off imposing cap on ethanol in fuel
While no one claimed 10 percent ethanol blends have an adverse impact on engines, early testing with one type of marine two-stroke engine found stalling may occur when the throttle is opened from low speed, even with a 10 percent blend, creating a possible safety hazard, Kemp said. I think that Kemp have a great sense of humor and I am sure that he is not going let this two-stroke engine have the same consequences as the Ottomans gun ship in WWI and sink the Australian empire as excuse. LOL! Hakan Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
