Re: [svg-developers] Re: tool tips --on mouse over

2004-12-05 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Doug, well it's certainly exciting news that you intend to contribute. in the meantime it is possible to write documents that work in both asv and mozSVG. including one that demonstrates tool tips! which may mean using scripting in this instance. A large part of accessibility is ensuring

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Re: tool tips --on mouse over

2004-12-05 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Jim, that's preposterous, in terms of accessibility the SVG1.1 spec is broken. The chair and others have indicated that there is much work to be done. for instance ASV3.1 doesn't support standard keyboard accessibility any more than mozSVG, or any other UA afaik. Following standards only

[svg-developers] Re: Re: Re: tool tips --on mouse over

2004-12-05 Thread Jim Ley
that's preposterous, in terms of accessibility the SVG1.1 spec is broken. Certainly, but you keep bringing back specific discussions, about specific things, to the general SVG accessibility as a whole is broken. We were specifically discussing tooltips, nothing more. In no case does the

RE: [svg-developers] Re: tool tips --on mouse over

2004-12-05 Thread Doug Schepers
As promised, here is the sample I cooked up to demonstrate referencing metadata elements: http://svg-whiz.com/samples.html#trefMetadata Regards- Doug doug . schepers @ vectoreal.com www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. Doug Schepers wrote: | | Hi, Ravi- | | That's because

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Re: Re: tool tips --on mouse over

2004-12-05 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Jim Schepers, the SMIL tooltips example code uses mouseover and mouseout, almost by definition that can't be good accessibility because it is device dependent. please see hixie's bug #273197 where mozSVG may be supporting tab. assuming users can tab to these graphics, which is by no means

Re: [svg-developers] Re: tool tips --on mouse over

2004-12-05 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Jim, perhaps you can enlighten me, what is the 'required information' that a blind user or a user who prefers not to use a mouse will get from this SMIL document? regards Jonathan Chetwynd http://www.peepo.co.uk It's easy to use irc://freenode/accessibility On 5 Dec 2004, at 18:22, Jim

RE: [svg-developers] Re: tool tips --on mouse over

2004-12-05 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Jonathan- Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: | | in the meantime it is possible to write documents that work | in both asv and mozSVG. | including one that demonstrates tool tips! which may mean | using scripting in this instance. Er... You mean like the scripted tooltip example on the same page,

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Re: tool tips --on mouse over

2004-12-05 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Jim and Schepers, well I agree it is possible, and even likely that future UA will provide at least an option to view metadata such as title and desc in a specific area of the screen such as perhaps the status bar. However in that case Doug's example is redundant. If you read the bug report

[svg-developers] Re: Re: Re: tool tips --on mouse over

2004-12-05 Thread Jim Ley
Jonathan Chetwynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you read the bug report which I drew your attention to it mentions UAG: http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10/guidelines.html#gl-device-independence specifically the first guideline makes it clear, that if you choose to

[svg-developers] SVG discussion on slashdot

2004-12-05 Thread Mike Kidson
URL for Slashdot article: http://tinyurl.com/658z9 Weather Data Available in XML Posted by michael on Sunday December 05, @06:21PM from the stormy-weather dept. wombatmobile writes Wired reports the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration this week began providing weather data in

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Re: Re: tool tips --on mouse over

2004-12-05 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Jim, I refer you to WCAG 1.0 and WCAG 2.0 http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#keyboard-operation Guideline 2.1 Make all functionality operable via a keyboard or a keyboard interface. http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/#gl-device-independence ? 9.2 Ensure that any element that has its own interface can be

Re: [svg-developers] SVG discussion on slashdot

2004-12-05 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
Mike, thanks for pointing this up, if anyone is considering making a realtime SVG application: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/forecasts/xml/SOAP_server/ndfdXML.htm it uses .jpg for the weather icons, SVG ones might be available, just ask :-) It's a great pity this is continental USA only, UKmet