Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-16 Thread Eugene Grosbein
17.01.2020 7:03, Slawa Olhovchenkov write: There are multiple scenarios there ZFS may be sub-optimal at least: small i386 virtual guests or 32-bit only hardware like AMD Geode, or big amd64 SSD-only systems with bhyve and multiple guests that need lots of memory and

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-16 Thread Slawa Olhovchenkov
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 02:43:37PM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 16.01.2020 4:41, Ed Maste wrote: > > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 16:10, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > >> > >> There are multiple scenarios there ZFS may be sub-optimal at least: small > >> i386 virtual guests > >> or 32-bit only

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-16 Thread Devin Teske
> On Jan 16, 2020, at 01:01, Kubilay Kocak wrote: > > On 16/01/2020 7:27 pm, Colin Percival wrote: >> On 2020-01-15 21:07, Philip Paeps wrote: >>> On 2020-01-16 04:57:28 (+1000), Oliver Pinter wrote: On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Ben Woods wrote: > bsdinstall: Change "default"

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-16 Thread Kubilay Kocak
On 16/01/2020 7:27 pm, Colin Percival wrote: On 2020-01-15 21:07, Philip Paeps wrote: On 2020-01-16 04:57:28 (+1000), Oliver Pinter wrote: On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Ben Woods wrote:   bsdinstall: Change "default" (first) Partitioning method to ZFS Plus I miss from here the relontes

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-16 Thread Colin Percival
On 2020-01-15 21:07, Philip Paeps wrote: > On 2020-01-16 04:57:28 (+1000), Oliver Pinter wrote: >> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Ben Woods wrote: >>>   bsdinstall: Change "default" (first) Partitioning method to ZFS > >> Plus I miss from here the relontes tag. > > I'm not sure if this merits

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Eugene Grosbein
16.01.2020 4:41, Ed Maste wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 16:10, Eugene Grosbein wrote: >> >> There are multiple scenarios there ZFS may be sub-optimal at least: small >> i386 virtual guests >> or 32-bit only hardware like AMD Geode, or big amd64 SSD-only systems with >> bhyve and multiple

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Eugene Grosbein
16.01.2020 4:41, Ed Maste wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 16:10, Eugene Grosbein wrote: >> >> There are multiple scenarios there ZFS may be sub-optimal at least: small >> i386 virtual guests >> or 32-bit only hardware like AMD Geode, or big amd64 SSD-only systems with >> bhyve and multiple

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Philip Paeps
On 2020-01-16 04:57:28 (+1000), Oliver Pinter wrote: On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Ben Woods wrote: Author: woodsb02 (ports committer) Date: Wed Jan 15 07:47:52 2020 New Revision: 356758 URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/356758 Log: bsdinstall: Change "default" (first)

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Pedro Giffuni
On 15/01/2020 16:41, Ed Maste wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 16:10, Eugene Grosbein wrote: There are multiple scenarios there ZFS may be sub-optimal at least: small i386 virtual guests or 32-bit only hardware like AMD Geode, or big amd64 SSD-only systems with bhyve and multiple guests that

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Ed Maste
On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 16:10, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > There are multiple scenarios there ZFS may be sub-optimal at least: small > i386 virtual guests > or 32-bit only hardware like AMD Geode, or big amd64 SSD-only systems with > bhyve and multiple guests > that need lots of memory and should

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Eugene Grosbein
16.01.2020 3:32, Warner Losh wrote: > unless your work load hits the fairly narrow range where ZFS isn't so good. > > [*] Netflix uses UFS because of sendfile efficiencies There are multiple scenarios there ZFS may be sub-optimal at least: small i386 virtual guests or 32-bit only hardware like

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Warner Losh
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:10 PM Nathan Whitehorn wrote: > I agree -- this seems like a really big change, especially with no > discussion. > I agree this is the right thing to do. ZFS is the best fit for most people (there are exceptions, and they can install UFS and if ZFS isn't right for

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
I agree -- this seems like a really big change, especially with no discussion. -Nathan On 2020-01-15 10:57, Oliver Pinter wrote: > > > On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Ben Woods > wrote: > > Author: woodsb02 (ports committer) > Date: Wed Jan 15 07:47:52 2020 >

Re: svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-15 Thread Oliver Pinter
On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, Ben Woods wrote: > Author: woodsb02 (ports committer) > Date: Wed Jan 15 07:47:52 2020 > New Revision: 356758 > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/356758 > > Log: > bsdinstall: Change "default" (first) Partitioning method to ZFS > > Reported by:

svn commit: r356758 - in head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall: . scripts

2020-01-14 Thread Ben Woods
Author: woodsb02 (ports committer) Date: Wed Jan 15 07:47:52 2020 New Revision: 356758 URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/356758 Log: bsdinstall: Change "default" (first) Partitioning method to ZFS Reported by: Ruben Schade (during his talk at linux.conf.au) Approved by: