[swinog] Anyone from Green here?

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
One of my customers has just been told he needs to pay to get a DNS reverse map entry for thei Green ADSL line with fixed IP. Is that really true?? /Per Jessen, Herrliberg ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch

Re: [swinog] Anyone from Green here?

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
Marc SCHAEFER wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:37:35AM +0200, Per Jessen wrote: One of my customers has just been told he needs to pay to get a DNS reverse map entry for thei Green ADSL line with fixed IP. Is that really true?? I had a similar query lately, and [EMAIL PROTECTED] replied

Re: [swinog] Anyone from Green here?

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Marc SCHAEFER
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:37:35AM +0200, Per Jessen wrote: One of my customers has just been told he needs to pay to get a DNS reverse map entry for thei Green ADSL line with fixed IP. Is that really true?? I had a similar query lately, and [EMAIL PROTECTED] replied that with MPS1 (1 IP

Re: [swinog] Anyone from Green here?

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Stanislav Sinyagin
If the reverse mapping points to some valid A record, why do you need to change it? There aren't many applications that really depend on the reverse name - for most of the things it's enough that the reverse name is a valid one. - Original Message From: Per Jessen [EMAIL

Re: [swinog] Anyone from Green here?

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Roman Hochuli
Hey Stan There aren't many applications that really depend on the reverse name - for most of the things it's enough that the reverse name is a valid one. You never tried to operate a mailserver behind a DSL-connection yet, right? :) -- Best regards, Roman Hochuli Operations Manager

Re: [swinog] Anyone from Green here?

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Stanislav Sinyagin
well, I used to support customers which were running mail servers behind a broadband connection. Most spam filters and blacklists like SORBS check the reverse naming, and if it doesn't have words like cable, ppp, dynamic and such, it's quite safe to work with it. It just has to have some decent

Re: [swinog] Anyone from Green here?

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: Anyway, who's going to send email directly from a broadband connection, instead of using the ISP's relay? :-) Provided everything is properly set up, why shouldn't they? /Per Jessen, Herrliberg ___ swinog mailing list

Re: [swinog] Anyone from Green here?

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Per Jessen
Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: If the reverse mapping points to some valid A record, why do you need to change it? In this case, the reverse lookup returns something like zux000-nnn-nnn.adsl.green.ch. The customer is (quite reasonably) running a mailserver on it, and would like the reverse

Re: [swinog] Anyone from Green here?

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Kurt A. Schumacher
We had asked several time green.ch for a delegation for a MPS8 and MPS16 contract - and they denied it. So submitted a list of hosts to be added to their DNS for adding PTRs. No reply, and still only the default PTR entries... Has anything changed in this since the TIC merger? -Kurt.

Re: [swinog] Anyone from Green here?

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Guazzoni Daniele, CH
Marc SCHAEFER wrote: It's not only very poor marketing, it's incredibly arrogant. Selling a static IP and then charging extra for the reverse mapping ... That was reason enough for me to change provider. There are other ISPs on this list which are RIPE compliant, less arrogant and more

[swinog] RBL's (again) (Was: Anyone from Green here?)

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
Marc SCHAEFER wrote: [..] I am a heavy users of those RBL lists, they offer quite a bit of protection (but not as much as you might think, and with You should use RBL's only for *scoring*; not for decision making and then directly rejecting based on it. quite a few false positives:

Re: [swinog] RBL's (again) (Was: Anyone from Green here?)

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden roger
Am 11 Sep 2008 um 5:17 hat Stanislav Sinyagin geschrieben: Greylisting only delays mails. Proper spammers just use ISP relays and how about registering on an page and waiting for the accept email for hours because your ISP do graylisting ? taking a relax and drink some beers till the

Re: [swinog] RBL's (again) (Was: Anyone from Green here?)

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Charles Buckley
I think that server (coloured) lists are but an easy way out for for those who either aren't willing or able to do spam mail feature analysis. Spam is spam, even when it comes from a respectable server that has been temporarily compromised. All the up-and-coming premium spam services shy away

Re: [swinog] RBL's (again) (Was: Anyone from Green here?)

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Rainer Duffner
Jeroen Massar schrieb: Marc SCHAEFER wrote: [..] I am a heavy users of those RBL lists, they offer quite a bit of protection (but not as much as you might think, and with You should use RBL's only for *scoring*; not for decision making and then directly rejecting based on it.

Re: [swinog] Anyone from Green here?

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Tonnerre Lombard
Salut, Stanislav, On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:54:47 -0700 (PDT), Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: Anyway, who's going to send email directly from a broadband connection, instead of using the ISP's relay? :-) The case of an ISP's mail server accepting mail originating from a non-ISP address (e.g. not

Re: [swinog] RBL's (again) (Was: Anyone from Green here?)

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Rainer Duffner
Am 11.09.2008 um 20:28 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: great idea, whitelisting every system on the world which sends confirmation email .. it will be an big efford for that small country to convince the rest of the world ;-) To be precise: I use dnsbl.sorbs.net to blacklist all dynamic

Re: [swinog] RBL's (again) (Was: Anyone from Green here?)

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Adrian Senn
Stanislav Sinyagin schrieb: I don't know anything about proper spammers. Greylisting has reduced the amount of incoming spam significantly, probably at 90-95%. Of course there are spambots which play around greylisting, but they aren't yet that widely used. Agreed. For my mail system at

Re: [swinog] RBL's (again) (Was: Anyone from Green here?)

2008-09-11 Diskussionsfäden Stanislav Sinyagin
actually about a year and a half ago there was a new spambot which was re-sending the message after a temporary reject. But it did it precisely in 4 minutes after the first rejection, and never tried again. So, increasing the greylisting timeout to 5 minutes has solved the problem :)