Re: [swinog] Re: Case ID 1070964 - Notice of Claimed Infringement

2003-09-26 Thread Viktor Steinmann
Fredy et all I get about 10 such complaints per week: My statement: As long as *nobody* pays me the time I need to find out, which customer belongs to which IP, I will not do that work. Any legal issue has to be communicated by signed letter - or else it will land in the trashcan anyway...

Re: [swinog] Re: Case ID 1070964 - Notice of Claimed Infringement

2003-09-26 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
Alexander Koch wrote: [snip] If I am not utterly mistaken whether a personal copy is allowed or not is not taken into account when this personal copy is actively offered through a p2p network. At the point any copy is offered it's automatically not a personal copy any longer... Good point, but I

RE: [swinog] Re: Case ID 1070964 - Notice of Claimed Infringement

2003-09-26 Thread Neil J. McRae
I think you'll find that there are always questions over who is to blame and who has commited a crime. In the end the courts [atleast in the UK and US] tend to go after the easiest targets, thus the ISPs. You'll also find that the media industries are working incredibly hard to kill off the idea

R: [swinog] Re: Case ID 1070964 - Notice of Claimed Infringement

2003-09-26 Thread Manuel Wenger
You are all too generous with these people. That's a complete waste of time. A notice of claimed infringement from the United States has no legal value whatsoever in Switzerland. We receive tons of these emails everyday. I personally classify them as Spam. If they want something from us, they

Re: [swinog] Re: Case ID 1070964 - Notice of Claimed Infringement

2003-09-26 Thread Peter Keel
* on the Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 07:28:54AM +0200, Alexander Koch wrote: If I am not utterly mistaken whether a personal copy is allowed or not is not taken into account when this personal copy is actively offered through a p2p network. At the point any copy is offered it's automatically not a

Re: R: [swinog] Re: Case ID 1070964 - Notice of Claimed Infringement

2003-09-26 Thread ueli heuer
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:25:52 +0200 Manuel Wenger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are all too generous with these people. That's a complete waste of time. A notice of claimed infringement from the United States has no legal value whatsoever in Switzerland. We receive tons of these emails

Re: R: [swinog] Re: Case ID 1070964 - Notice of Claimed Infringement

2003-09-26 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
ueli heuer wrote: Manuel Wenger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are all too generous with these people. That's a complete waste of time. A notice of claimed infringement from the United States has no legal value whatsoever in Switzerland. We receive tons of these emails everyday. I personally

RE: R: [swinog] Re: Case ID 1070964 - Notice of Claimed Infringement

2003-09-26 Thread Steven Glogger
I wasn't aware that these mails come along in dozens or hundreds. I suggest that we (SwiNOG) write some kind position paper, maybe in cooperation with Siug, which is published on our website. Suggestions, proposals? I guess law people of this list are most welcome to contribute now :-)