[swinog] IP address are now personal data

2010-09-08 Diskussionsfäden Pascal Gloor
Dear community, something important for us happened today that may have some impact on our daily business. Our Federal Court just decided that IP addresses are personal data and the federal law about data protection must also be followed also for IP addresses. Collecting IP adresses for

Re: [swinog] IP address are now personal data

2010-09-08 Diskussionsfäden Silvan Gebhardt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 wouldn't that render the usage of google analytics illegal? Silvan Am 08.09.2010 um 12:25 schrieb Pascal Gloor: Dear community, something important for us happened today that may have some impact on our daily business. Our Federal Court

Re: [swinog] IP address are now personal data

2010-09-08 Diskussionsfäden Juerg Reimann
The BGE number of that court decision would be helpful... Thanks, Juerg -Original Message- From: swinog-boun...@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-boun...@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of Viktor Steinmann Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:57 PM To: swinog@lists.swinog.ch Subject: Re:

Re: [swinog] IP address are now personal data

2010-09-08 Diskussionsfäden Radek Mrskos
http://www.bger.ch/index/press/press-inherit-template/press-mitteilungen.htm?id=tf1 cu Radek Mrskos Email: mrs...@volume.ch Baechlerstr. 12Tel: +41 43 534 40 24 CH-8802 Kilchberg Mob: +41 79 219 68 66 PGP:0x8CB69F6D Fax: +41 86079 2196 866 Am 08.09.2010 um 13:57 schrieb Viktor

Re: [swinog] IP address are now personal data

2010-09-08 Diskussionsfäden Martin Blapp
Hi, How does this affect Blacklist- and Whitelist vendors or organisations like dnswl.org or our swinog blacklists ? -- Martin ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

Re: [swinog] IP address are now personal data

2010-09-08 Diskussionsfäden Olivier Mueller
On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 13:57 +0200, Viktor Steinmann wrote: I haven't decided yet, if that's a good thing or not. But could you point us to an online source for this news? Google isn't very helpful at the moment. In french:

Re: [swinog] IP address are now personal data

2010-09-08 Diskussionsfäden Pascal Gloor
i think there will be some Common sense in this point, as it is quite different to collect and sell this kind of datas, and to use them as stats tools (have a look at the numerous fidelity cards we can find anywhere). also maybe a publicly available stat... i dont know, but sounds like

Re: [swinog] IP address are now personal data

2010-09-08 Diskussionsfäden Pascal Gloor
I'm trying to make a list of all possible implications/problems that this ruling can make. Please send me a direct mail with your questions and I will forward them to a good lawyer (actually, the one involved in that case). So far, questions/implications I've seen or came to me are: --- Any

Re: [swinog] IP address are now personal data

2010-09-08 Diskussionsfäden Juerg Reimann
I think it's far too early to jump into conclusions right now. The court didn't even state it's reasons in detail. As far as I understand it right now, this does only mean one has to take care about data that contains ip addresses - but not, that such data processing would be a legal problem at

Re: [swinog] IP address are now personal data

2010-09-08 Diskussionsfäden Pascal Gloor
I think it's far too early to jump into conclusions right now. The court didn't even state it's reasons in detail. As far as I understand it right now, this does only mean one has to take care about data that contains ip addresses - but not, that such data processing would be a legal problem

Re: [swinog] IP address are now personal data

2010-09-08 Diskussionsfäden Florian Mauchle
Well actually it does - the processing of protected data requires a legal foundation or agreement of the person identified by that data. See DSG Art. 4 Abs. 1 and 4 http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/235_1/a4.html Since IP addresses are now schützenswerte Daten, processing these is subject to the laws of

Re: [swinog] IP address are now personal data

2010-09-08 Diskussionsfäden Juerg Reimann
Well, the court doesn't state anything in detail in a press release. It's in the court decision document. But we're off-topic I think. Lets just aggregate all open questions and I'll get answers from a qualified person, a lawyer, not techies like us ;-) What I ment is, why not wait until the

Re: [swinog] IP address are now personal data

2010-09-08 Diskussionsfäden rudolphi
If IPs are protected information, so how is this handled in E-Mails, on mailing-lists like this and alike? Have messages to be stripped off IPs before they are delivered? Who's legally responsible for protecting the data? Just an example: Company X could scan all header information from

Re: [swinog] IP address are now personal data

2010-09-08 Diskussionsfäden Stanislav Sinyagin
- Original Message From: rudol...@212.55.212.115 To: swinog@lists.swinog.ch If IPs are protected information, so how is this handled in E-Mails, on mailing-lists like this and alike? very simple: all mailing lists are now illegal. As well as all IP routers.

Re: [swinog] IP address are now personal data

2010-09-08 Diskussionsfäden Pascal Gloor
If IPs are protected information, so how is this handled in E-Mails, on mailing-lists like this and alike? very simple: all mailing lists are now illegal. As well as all IP routers. Not at all. (Otherwise all telephony operators would also be illegal). As for the mail headers, its an open