Re: [swinog] Provider Class Backbone Routers
I agree that english should be the prefered list language. On the other hand, Fredi is in line with the current SWINOG charter: The working languages are any official Swiss language plus English. Perhaps we should update the charter? We already defined the meeting language to be english, we could do aswell for the mailing list... Usualy such things are voted by rising your hand at a swinog meeting (pretty like LandesGemeinde (same word in french ;p))... and as I have some other things to get voted at the next meeting, I ll add this to the list P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
RE: [swinog] Provider Class Backbone Routers
P, Voting is ending usually in laws and regulations, control, blaming... Don't think this is what's required here. Please stay with the basics. Agreed? -Kurt. PS. For the other case use http://world.altavista.com/tr ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Pascal Gloor Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [swinog] Provider Class Backbone Routers I agree that english should be the prefered list language. On the other hand, Fredi is in line with the current SWINOG charter: The working languages are any official Swiss language plus English. Perhaps we should update the charter? We already defined the meeting language to be english, we could do aswell for the mailing list... Usualy such things are voted by rising your hand at a swinog meeting (pretty like LandesGemeinde (same word in french ;p))... and as I have some other things to get voted at the next meeting, I ll add this to the list P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] Provider Class Backbone Routers
Voting is ending usually in laws and regulations, control, blaming... Don't think this is what's required here. Please stay with the basics. Agreed? Sorry Kurt, SwiNOG exists since almost 3 years now, and there are rules that have been set since the begining. One of the rule is that any modification of the SwiNOG charter, rules, organisation are voted by raising you hand at SwiNOG meetings. Also, since SwiNOG-3, there are three persons forming a Core team responsible of the global organisation of SwiNOG. Those person are Michel Renfer, Fabien Berger and myself. Those persons have given much of their free time and even money. So please respect those rules and those persons that's all I have to say. P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
RE: [swinog] Provider Class Backbone Routers
P, Highly appreciating what you are doing with SwiNOG and therefore the community, please don't take me wrong, guess all here _are_ respecting those rules and those persons. Just trying to avoid the unnecessary, nothing else. Other problems are waiting to become solutions... -Kurt. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Pascal Gloor Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [swinog] Provider Class Backbone Routers Voting is ending usually in laws and regulations, control, blaming... Don't think this is what's required here. Please stay with the basics. Agreed? Sorry Kurt, SwiNOG exists since almost 3 years now, and there are rules that have been set since the begining. One of the rule is that any modification of the SwiNOG charter, rules, organisation are voted by raising you hand at SwiNOG meetings. Also, since SwiNOG-3, there are three persons forming a Core team responsible of the global organisation of SwiNOG. Those person are Michel Renfer, Fabien Berger and myself. Those persons have given much of their free time and even money. So please respect those rules and those persons that's all I have to say. P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] Provider Class Backbone Routers
Highly appreciating what you are doing with SwiNOG and therefore the community, please don't take me wrong, guess all here _are_ respecting those rules and those persons. Just trying to avoid the unnecessary, nothing else. Other problems are waiting to become solutions... noflame Sure, if you would like to change something in the swinog rules, feel free to make a proposal and we will vote it at the next meeting. /noflame P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
RE: [swinog] Provider Class Backbone Routers
Title: RE: [swinog] Provider Class Backbone Routers Hi I think we can stop the discussion about the language. What Roger found in the SWINOG charter makes everything clear: The working languages are any official Swiss language p l u s English. I understand this in the only way, that i can write in any swiss language plus the english translation! Have a nice weekend Günti |-Original Message- |From: Roger Gottsponer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Freitag, 14. Februar 2003 11:49 |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Cc: Roger Gottsponer |Subject: RE: [swinog] Provider Class Backbone Routers | | |Hi Nicolas, | | Is it possible for you to speak in english ? | As a mailing list for the whole Switzerland, i d'like to |understand what you | speak about. | |I agree that english should be the prefered list language. On the |other hand, Fredi is in line with the current SWINOG charter: | |The working languages are any official Swiss language plus English. | |Perhaps we should update the charter? | |Cheers, | |Roger | |-- |[EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: |http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/ |
Re: [swinog] Provider Class Backbone Routers
From: Pascal Gloor [..] why not, but how will you garantee that someone doesnt vote 10 times using 10 different email addresses subscribed to the mailing list? [..] oh that's quite easy: everyone has to use palladium on a fritz-chip equiped thinkpad :-( n!k -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] Provider Class Backbone Routers
Wow, cool discussions... Voting is ending usually in laws and regulations, control, blaming... Don't think this is what's required here. Please stay with the basics. Agreed? Sorry Kurt, SwiNOG exists since almost 3 years now, and there are rules that have been set since the begining. One of the rule is that any modification of the SwiNOG charter, rules, organisation are voted by raising you hand at SwiNOG meetings. It seems that even the old SWINOG members are no longer respecting old Internet traditions :-) We reject kings, presidents and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code. (Dave Clark) Well, seriously, if I remember well, Phil Bridge wanted to have all five languages as official working languages in order to make sure that even people with difficulties in Englich can contribute to SWINOG. The language should never prevent someone from contributing. So in my opinion, whenever possible, English should be used. But if some- one really has a problem with it, he should be allowed to express himself in his own language. This will not happen often, and there are enough people around to contribute. Of course this was not the case for Fredi Ammann. He should just learn to handle his M$ MUA... Cheers, Roger -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] Provider Class Backbone Routers
Roger Gottsponer wrote: Wow, cool discussions... Voting is ending usually in laws and regulations, control, blaming... Don't think this is what's required here. Please stay with the basics. Agreed? By the way... Sorry that I was the reason for this funny discussions :-) By the way: http://lucent.linuxnet.ch is working again ;-) My Webserver was down after a system upgrade ... Greetings to all Peter B. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
Re: [swinog] Provider Class Backbone Routers
Sorry that I was the reason for this funny discussions :-) yeah, that's all your fault! (joke) By the way: http://lucent.linuxnet.ch is working again ;-) Your hardware looks impressive :-) May I have one as home adsl router? :-P P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maillist-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/swinog%40swinog.ch/
