[sword-devel] OSIS headings, divs and libsword

2010-09-29 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Hi guys, I stumbled last night over a problem which I think finds its origin in the library and I would be grateful for your take on it: Basically if a title tag precedes the body of a verse it will not reliably be fed back to the front ends if there are div tags present in the same verse.

Re: [sword-devel] av11n again (Fwd: [sword-support] Hello)

2010-09-29 Thread Peter von Kaehne
I think the consensus is there for old, main, beta, - where old carries only KJV v11n, main carries all our tested modules, irrespective of versification and beta carries updates to existing modules (apart from re-issues with proper versification). And experimental will then keep only the

[sword-devel] Unicode text editors (useful links)

2010-09-29 Thread David Haslam
I just received the heads-up about BabelPad. Here's a link. http://www.babelstone.co.uk/ http://www.babelstone.co.uk/ Currently, I mostly use the following text editors for various purposes when editing Unicode files. http://notepad-plus-plus.org/ Notepad++ (general purpose - open source -

Re: [sword-devel] av11n again (Fwd: [sword-support] Hello)

2010-09-29 Thread David Haslam
If there are moves afoot, please ensure that the relevant wiki pages are updated accordingly. Thanks. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/av11n-again-Fwd-sword-support-Hello-tp2718252p2718709.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at

Re: [sword-devel] question regarding Android front end

2010-09-29 Thread Martin Denham
Hi Matthew, You can find the bible for Android that uses JSword at http://code.google.com/p/and-bible/. There was another bible for Android based on Sword called Bishop and it appears that Gary at CrossConnect has continued development of that code and has a beta release but I don't really know

Re: [sword-devel] question regarding Android front end

2010-09-29 Thread David Haslam
Matthew, I would suggest you subscribe to the CrossWire mailing list called mobile-devel. To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-devel http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-devel Martin Denham is developing the

[sword-devel] Fonts on AndBible - was Re: question regarding Android front end

2010-09-29 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Hi Martin, Is there any plan for AndBible to do some font management? Basically a lot of our Bibles are not usable on Androids as the fonts delivered alongside (unless on roots the box) are so limited. Even within the Latin range there are letters missing. Arabic/Persian letters are

Re: [sword-devel] Fonts on AndBible - was Re: question regarding Android front end

2010-09-29 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Von: Peter von Kaehne ref...@gmx.net So, the ability to download and use a font even just for AndBible without starting to think about rooting would be brilliant. I would think this would also be of interest to people wanting to use original language texts. Peter -- Neu: GMX De-Mail -

[sword-devel] av11n mappings

2010-09-29 Thread Konstantin Maslyuk
Hi. I would write mapping system and mapping data for Synodal v11n, of course if anyone from Sword Project heads want me to do it. -- С уважением, Konstantin mailto:kale...@mail.ru ___ sword-devel mailing list:

Re: [sword-devel] Fonts on AndBible - was Re: question regarding Android front end

2010-09-29 Thread Martin Denham
Hi Peter, Yes, this is a bit frustrating but this is not something I personally had planned to work on, partly because I don't have much experience in that area and partly because any work would hopefully soon be superseded by improvements in Android font support. Google seem to be improving

Re: [sword-devel] av11n mappings

2010-09-29 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Von: Konstantin Maslyuk kale...@mail.ru Hi. I would write mapping system and mapping data for Synodal v11n, of course if anyone from Sword Project heads want me to do it. I think this would be wonderful if this is finally started. Peter -- GMX DSL SOMMER-SPECIAL: Surf Phone Flat 16.000

Re: [sword-devel] av11n mappings

2010-09-29 Thread Chris Little
This has been available (in SVN) for a year. --Chris On 9/29/2010 8:58 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: Von: Konstantin Maslyukkale...@mail.ru Hi. I would write mapping system and mapping data for Synodal v11n, of course if anyone from Sword Project heads want me to do it. I think this would

[sword-devel] Hyphens in book names

2010-09-29 Thread Robert Hunt
New Zealand. Hello all, I am spending today studying the documentation on the Crosswire Sword wiki so I'm likely to have a few questions. Please let me know if this is not the right forum to ask questions. I see in http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/DevTools:SWORD that localised book

Re: [sword-devel] Hyphens in book names

2010-09-29 Thread Daniel Owens
On 09/29/2010 03:55 PM, Robert Hunt wrote: New Zealand. Hello all, I am spending today studying the documentation on the Crosswire Sword wiki so I'm likely to have a few questions. Please let me know if this is not the right forum to ask questions. I see in

Re: [sword-devel] Hyphens in book names

2010-09-29 Thread Greg Hellings
OP was not talking about a transliteration from the sounds of his email, but rather the original language where the hyphen is a letter. You are equivalently proposing an English speaker to not use the letter s in the Bible names list. It might be comprehensible but it would be horrible usability

Re: [sword-devel] Hyphens in book names

2010-09-29 Thread Robert Hunt
On 30/09/10 10:17, Greg Hellings wrote: OP was not talking about a transliteration from the sounds of his email, but rather the original language where the hyphen is a letter. You are equivalently proposing an English speaker to not use the letter s in the Bible names list. It might be

[sword-devel] Python

2010-09-29 Thread Robert Hunt
Dear all, I see that the page http://www.crosswire.org/wiki/DevTools:Code_Examples has a heading for Python but no sample code there, and a site search for Python didn't find anything helpful. It seems from emails flashing by that Python bindings for SWORD are available??? Is there

Re: [sword-devel] Hyphens in book names

2010-09-29 Thread Weston Ruter
Is this limitation in SWORD due to the OSIS requirement that book names not have hyphens? OSIS defines that a book (first segment) in an osisID must match ((\p{L}|\p{N}|_|(\\[^\s]))+). This means that a book must contain only letters or numbers or underscores... or it may contain another character

Re: [sword-devel] Hyphens in book names

2010-09-29 Thread Chris Little
Seriously? Someone designed an orthography in which \x2D (hyphen-minus) is used as an alphabetic character? What's its phonemic value? Hyphen-minus is simply not a letter. You can see its character properties at http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2d/index.htm. Scroll down to see

Re: [sword-devel] Hyphens in book names

2010-09-29 Thread Chris Little
These are completely unrelated. You're talking about OSIS identifiers, which are non-linguistic data, which is obviously unlocalizable. Robert is talking about book name localization. --Chris On 9/29/10 2:47 PM, Weston Ruter wrote: Is this limitation in SWORD due to the OSIS requirement

Re: [sword-devel] question regarding Android front end

2010-09-29 Thread Caleb Maclennan
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 15:53, Martin Denham mjden...@gmail.com wrote: ... has proposed doing a translation of all languages using a Google tool but I don't know how well the Google tool would handle Chinese I haven't seen the original discussion context that this comment references, but having

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS headings, divs and libsword

2010-09-29 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Peter, Your markup is exactly correct. There is initial code is osis2mod which handles pre-verse div content, but it was commented out recently because the engine filters have not yet caught up. The history is that we used to only support the OSIS title tag for preverse content. We are

Re: [sword-devel] Hyphens in book names

2010-09-29 Thread Ben Morgan
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Greg Hellings greg.helli...@gmail.comwrote: Perhaps allowing each locale to define its own numerals and hyphen-like character would be a good solution? This is exactly what BPBible allows. Numerals are defined in the text section with the identifier 0123456789

[sword-devel] automatic creation of po files

2010-09-29 Thread Peter von Kaehne
I thought this would be of interest to many of you: http://pepipopum.dixo.net/index.php It is easy to use, but does require some attention as not everything gets done cleanly - variables and some RTF markup become easily quite messy Nevertheless, many of the best translations we have were

Re: [sword-devel] question regarding Android front end

2010-09-29 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On 29/09/10 23:11, Caleb Maclennan wrote: I love Google Translate and their various language tools, but let's put the effort into finding local translators before throwing software out there! Caleb, I agree and disagree at the same time. I am at this now for several years - a fair number of

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS headings, divs and libsword

2010-09-29 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On 29/09/10 23:19, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: Your markup is exactly correct. There is initial code is osis2mod which handles pre-verse div content, but it was commented out recently because the engine filters have not yet caught up. The history is that we used to only support the OSIS title

Re: [sword-devel] Hyphens in book names

2010-09-29 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
:) In principle I agree with Chris, but I can't decide what people do with names. One of my colleagues in this country (England) is named Instone-Brewer (sorry to use you as an example David). We've been wanting to internationalize the numerals and action symbols in our verse parser for a while

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS headings, divs and libsword

2010-09-29 Thread Nic Carter
FYI, I was able to hack the OSIS headings filter, after some help from Karl, to get that module LEB headings to work in PocketSword. I don't think Troy liked my hack, though, given it was a work-around hack rather than a proper fix, but you can at least point to the currently available

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS headings, divs and libsword

2010-09-29 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
Well, if your example is representative of your entire module-- that the preverse div only contains a title, then the answer is simply transform: div type=x-milestone subType=x-preverse sID=pv1613/ div sID=gen1714 type=section/ titleIntinn Ghlan sa Déirc/title div type=x-milestone

Re: [sword-devel] Hyphens in book names

2010-09-29 Thread Robert Hunt
On 30/09/10 11:06, Chris Little wrote: Seriously? Someone designed an orthography in which \x2D (hyphen-minus) is used as an alphabetic character? What's its phonemic value? Oh! I guess I've been using hyphenated words in English since I learnt to write. I unthinkingly used it in the word

Re: [sword-devel] OSIS headings, divs and libsword

2010-09-29 Thread Troy A. Griffitts
:) Sorry Nic. Thanks for the reminder though. Peter, Please ignore my previous post. It looks like from your example that you are not using SVN head of SWORD which includes the removal of the preverse div functionality from osis2mod Please use the latest osis2mod and you will likely have

Re: [sword-devel] Hyphens in book names

2010-09-29 Thread Jonathan Marsden
All the Filipino languages I came across when I was living there consistently used a Spanish-derived orthography, and I don't remember any of them treating - as a letter. Of course, I didn't deal with the huge majority of the little tribal languages out there! On 9/29/2010 2:28 PM, Robert Hunt

Re: [sword-devel] Hyphens in book names

2010-09-29 Thread Jonathan Marsden
Robert, On 9/29/2010 3:57 PM, Robert Hunt wrote: Oh! I guess I've been using hyphenated words in English since I learnt to write. I unthinkingly used it in the word work-around ... That does not make it a letter. It just makes it a symbol used during writing. Letters are what make up the

Re: [sword-devel] Hyphens in book names

2010-09-29 Thread Weston Ruter
In English, a hyphen is a orthographic convention required when spelling various compound words: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_compound#Hyphenated_compound_adjectives I imagine the Philippine language Robert is working with has a book name like Apostle-Works (i.e. Acts) On Wed, Sep 29,

Re: [sword-devel] Hyphens in book names

2010-09-29 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 9/29/2010 5:46 PM, Weston Ruter wrote: In English, a hyphen is a orthographic convention required when spelling various compound words: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_compound#Hyphenated_compound_adjectives Therefore, in English, it is not a letter. Q.E.D. (since someone on this

Re: [sword-devel] Hyphens in book names

2010-09-29 Thread Robert Hunt
My apologies. I didn't expect such lectures on this list over picky definitions. :-( (As well as hyphenated names, consider the difference in meaning between English prayer and pray-er. Or load the SWORD Tagalog Ang Biblia module [that's the Philippine national language] and look at 1 Peter

Re: [sword-devel] sword-devel Digest, Vol 78, Issue 38

2010-09-29 Thread Matthew Patenaude
I have posted my replies in-line... Hi Matthew, You can find the bible for Android that uses JSword at http://code.google.com/p/and-bible/. There was another bible for Android based on Sword called Bishop and it appears that Gary at CrossConnect has continued development of that code and

Re: [sword-devel] using Google translate or machine translation

2010-09-29 Thread Matthew Patenaude
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 01:11:38 +0300 From: Caleb Maclennan ca...@alerque.com To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum sword-devel@crosswire.org Subject: Re: [sword-devel] question regarding Android front end Message-ID:

Re: [sword-devel] using Google translate or machine translation

2010-09-29 Thread Matthew Patenaude
On 29/09/10 23:11, Caleb Maclennan wrote: I love Google Translate and their various language tools, but let's put the effort into finding local translators before throwing software out there! Caleb, I agree and disagree at the same time. I am at this now for several years - a fair

Re: [sword-devel] Hyphens in book names

2010-09-29 Thread DM Smith
I've read the thread and I'd like to add my thoughts: I don't think the discussion regarding whether - is a letter is constructive. We have a problem to solve. Right now - is a meta-character indicating a range. I think we should extend the book name parser to work with Bible book names as they

Re: [sword-devel] Python

2010-09-29 Thread Kenneth Arnold
The primary (and officially supported) way to access SWORD modules from Python is the SWIG wrappers, located in sword/bindings/swig in the SWORD source. BPBible uses them (afaik), but there should be some more self-contained examples... Not finding any good examples, a few years ago I went off,

[sword-devel] Making module and conf file

2010-09-29 Thread Robert Hunt
I've had fun with a USFM New Testament, converted it to OSIS using the Perl script and then to a module using osis2mod. So far, so good... However, I can't get Xiphos (on Ubuntu) to recognize either the compressed or uncompressed module when I add a local folder name and then choose it. The