Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread David Haslam
Greg, Is anyone actually looking at the software issues for SWORD utilities? This one is still open, even though it was created on 2012-01-09. http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MODTOOLS-31 It's quite disheartening to see so little response after reporting a software issue. CrossWire

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread Daniel Hughes
Which other open source project would allow issues to be neglected for more than 18 months? Lots actually, In my experience most bugs I have raised against opensource projects have never been fixed. The exception to this is bugs I have raised against my own opensource projects. Opensource

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread Peter von Kaehne
This one is still open, even though it was created on 2012-01-09. http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MODTOOLS-31 I would consider this expected behaviour at that level, not a bug. These are linked verses and so each verse pointer will point at the same text. At the level of a

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread David Haslam
Thanks Daniel, *begin rant* Why do they have issues trackers if they only respond to issues that affect them? This is one of the worst aspects of many open source projects! The programmers don't take users seriously enough. Or they expect users who bother to report problems to be programmers

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread David Haslam
Thanks Peter, If that's how you see this particular issue, then why was there never any such response along those lines from ANYONE in the SWORD development team? btw. I don't fully agree with you as regards the details for http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MODTOOLS-31 These utilities

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread Nic Carter
Insert comment here about lack of time and everyone being a volunteer and life going on and bigger fish to fry and ... M, fried fish! Oh, I meant, and distractions all over the place... ;) Sent from my phone, hence this email may be short... On 23/07/2013, at 21:09, David Haslam

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread Chris Little
On 7/23/2013 1:23 AM, David Haslam wrote: Greg, Aside from a mod2osis patch he submitted once upon a time, I don't think Greg has done any work on the utilities, so I'm unclear why you're asking him. Is anyone actually looking at the software issues for SWORD utilities? Yes, but

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread Peter von Kaehne
Von: David Haslam dfh...@googlemail.com These utilities should give the required output when single verses are requested, but should be intelligent enough to avoid duplications when a passage is to be processed that includes the verse range (or part of one). Chris has answered already

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread DM Smith
More a comment on the thread than this reply. We have bug trackers to record bugs, to record feature requests, to record development plans, Reported bugs are not created equal. They are not equally important. They need to be triaged. Some thoughts: A reported bug may not be a bug but a

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 07/23/2013 10:23 AM, David Haslam wrote: It's quite disheartening to see so little response after reporting a software issue. If the problem is so acute and important to you, hire some hungry programmer (there are tons of them around, especially given the economy) and make him to fix it.

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread DM Smith
Regarding MODTOOLS-31, this should be three separate bug reports. Bug reports that are too broad are seldom seen as anything more than an observation. No one person would ever be the owner of this one report. I'm inclined to suggest that we close it as invalid or won't fix and state why.

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread Raoul Snyman
There are a small number of projects (mostly church projection software) who use diatheke output and then post process it but I think this is simply a sign of lack of willingness to get to grips with the API. I have been in contact with one such project and pointed out the python bindings - my

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread David Haslam
DM wrote, Regarding linked verses, this is common in commentaries, but until recently was very rare in Bibles. It is still rare in Bibles. If it were in widely used Bibles and these tools were widely used, then fixing any of these might be more urgent. I can assure you that based upon the large

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread Greg Hellings
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 3:23 AM, David Haslam dfh...@googlemail.com wrote: Greg, Is anyone actually looking at the software issues for SWORD utilities? I'm sure someone is. I have no authority to commit to the utilities directory so I can do no more than the next person to get any of these

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread David Haslam
DM wrote, They need to be triaged. Yes - the do need to be triaged, but an AE department in which the triage nurses never made a decision or never communicated it to the patient would not be considered fit for purpose. Businesses competing in the real world are often assessed against the

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread DM Smith
On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:58 AM, David Haslam dfh...@googlemail.com wrote: DM wrote, They need to be triaged. Yes - the do need to be triaged, but an AE department in which the triage nurses never made a decision or never communicated it to the patient would not be considered fit for purpose.

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread Chris Little
On 07/23/2013 10:19 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: So, linked verses are a matter of importance, I just struggle to see how the particular output should be a bug in mod2imp. Within the described purpose - it is no issue. Just off the top of my head (i.e. I'm not looking at code and haven't

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread DM Smith
On Jul 23, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Peter von Kaehne ref...@gmx.net wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 12:14 -0400, DM Smith wrote: On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:49 AM, David Haslam wrote: DM wrote, Regarding linked verses, this is common in commentaries, but until recently was very rare in Bibles. It is

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread Peter von Kaehne
On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 10:36 -0700, David Haslam wrote: OK Peter, I read what you've said about http://www.crosswire.org/tracker/browse/MODTOOLS-31 At the time the bug was first encountered, it was with diatheke, and yes - this utility is important for me. So you are saying - but how

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread DM Smith
On Jul 23, 2013, at 1:45 PM, Chris Little chris...@crosswire.org wrote: On 07/23/2013 10:19 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: So, linked verses are a matter of importance, I just struggle to see how the particular output should be a bug in mod2imp. Within the described purpose - it is no issue.

Re: [sword-devel] Windows Utilities

2013-07-23 Thread Jonathon
On 07/23/2013 08:23 AM, David Haslam wrote: Which other open source project would allow issues to be neglected for more than 18 months? Firefox, Thunderbird, and OpenOffice.org, are three programs that have had bug reports that went ignored for more than four years. jonathon -- Email with a