Re: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.8.0RC5 Final RC

[Cyrille]

Le 29/11/2017 à 16:39, Matěj Cepl a écrit :
> On 2017-11-29, 14:23 GMT, Greg Hellings wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Cyrille wrote:
>>> That's for sure, but not enough (from my point of view).  
>>> What's you experience of gitlab?
> (I am the leader of the M2Crypto revival project hosted on 
> https://gitlab.com/m2crypto/m2crypto/ )
>
> My experience is very good. There are some moments of 
> instability, but they are rather rare and I don't remember when 
> was the last time I couldn't do something because of problems 
> with the server.
I think for a project as sword the current tools of gitlab may be enough
no? Gnome environment  will move to it.
This link .
>
> It is true that GitHub has still more features than GitLab, but 
> I really don't see anything which I would be missing. It seems 
> to me that GitHub is firmly moving into the area of creeping 
> featuretitis when it adds features which are available 
> elsewhere, just to get better lock-in (in-GitHub Slack, 
> really?).
>
> Three features which for-free GitLab has and GitHub will 
> probably never have:
>
> * private projects; it could be particularly interesting for 
>   some of our Biblical modules, which need to be developed in 
>   private before shared;
>
> * export between different GitLab hosts; not sure how well it 
>   works with GitLab.com, one would probably have to ask support 
>   for help, but the fact is that whatever data you enter into 
>   GitHub (aside from the code itself) is more or less forever 
>   locked there. I have participated in couple of efforts to move 
>   a project out of the GitHub and it was never good experience, 
>   and there was always a significant data loss.
>
> * CI on dedicated machines; not sure if anybody cares here.
>
> Best,
>
> Matěj

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Re: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.8.0RC5 Final RC

[Matěj Cepl]

On 2017-11-29, 14:23 GMT, Greg Hellings wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Cyrille wrote:
>> That's for sure, but not enough (from my point of view).  
>> What's you experience of gitlab?

(I am the leader of the M2Crypto revival project hosted on 
https://gitlab.com/m2crypto/m2crypto/ )

My experience is very good. There are some moments of 
instability, but they are rather rare and I don't remember when 
was the last time I couldn't do something because of problems 
with the server.

It is true that GitHub has still more features than GitLab, but 
I really don't see anything which I would be missing. It seems 
to me that GitHub is firmly moving into the area of creeping 
featuretitis when it adds features which are available 
elsewhere, just to get better lock-in (in-GitHub Slack, 
really?).

Three features which for-free GitLab has and GitHub will 
probably never have:

* private projects; it could be particularly interesting for 
  some of our Biblical modules, which need to be developed in 
  private before shared;

* export between different GitLab hosts; not sure how well it 
  works with GitLab.com, one would probably have to ask support 
  for help, but the fact is that whatever data you enter into 
  GitHub (aside from the code itself) is more or less forever 
  locked there. I have participated in couple of efforts to move 
  a project out of the GitHub and it was never good experience, 
  and there was always a significant data loss.

* CI on dedicated machines; not sure if anybody cares here.

Best,

Matěj
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Re: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.8.0RC5 Final RC

[Greg Hellings]

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Cyrille  wrote:

>
>
> Le 29/11/2017 à 15:04, Greg Hellings a écrit :
>
>
>
> I work for a company that's pretty well known for its dedication to Open
> Source software. We still put a huge portion of our code in GitHub. This is
> because many of us find it a technically superior product and because it
> has huge community support among the developers of the world.
>
>
> That's for sure, but not enough (from my point of view). What's you
> experience of gitlab?
>

The technical quality of the product has vastly improved since the early
days when it was a serious competitor. However, GitHub had the features
early and so the upstream, cloud-hosted versions of GitLab simply lack the
community of developers that the GitHub site has. At this point, it's not
an onerous burden to use GitLab for anything self-hosted. However, for
anyone who doesn't want to self-host a project, I see no reason to not drop
the code on GitHub simply for the community support. It's not even a
question that really gets asked internally to the company - if someone is
going to put a new project upstream it goes on GitHub. That's just the
assumption.

5 years ago, using GitLab was a painful experience as the product lacked a
huge number of features that were essential to a web interface for Git. At
this point, that's no longer the case (although it still has fewer features
than Hub the extra Hub features are mainly project management features like
bug trackers, wiki, webpage hosting, etc). Also, since Hub has such a huge
presence in the community, hosting on github.com gives a project access to
things like TravisCI, ReadTheDocs, and more. Not all of those additional
tools have Lab support.

--Greg


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>>
>> Best regards, Br Cyrille
>>
>> Manfred
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Re: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.8.0RC5 Final RC

[Greg Hellings]

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 6:29 AM, Cyrille  wrote:

>
>
> Le 29/11/2017 à 10:15, Manfred Bergmann a écrit :
>
> Am 27.11.2017 um 14:02 schrieb Cyrille  
> :
>
>
>
>
> Why is it not a good choice? Just because it’s not open-source?
>
> It's difficult for me to argument in English... But I didn't said *github
> is not a good choice* but: "is it the good choice?". In the sense than an
> other can be better. For me gitlab is a *best choice*. I just found this
> article
> 
> about the question in English. But in French I read this very good article
> .
> The problem is the same as all the private enterprise, and respect for
> private life. In this sense for me, open-source is important yes. We work
> all here for sword, an open-source software, it belongs to our convictions
> it seems to me. So between an open-source possibility and another
> proprietary, I do not hesitate. But also github is subject to the United
> States laws, so potential developers of countries considered to be in the
> axis of evil or terrorist state would not have the right to work there.
> I do not support the Patriot Act :)
> At the end I'm French, I love freedom :-D
>

I work for a company that's pretty well known for its dedication to Open
Source software. We still put a huge portion of our code in GitHub. This is
because many of us find it a technically superior product and because it
has huge community support among the developers of the world.

--Greg


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>
> Best regards, Br Cyrille
>
> Manfred
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Re: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.8.0RC5 Final RC

[Cyrille]

Le 29/11/2017 à 10:15, Manfred Bergmann a écrit :
>
>> Am 27.11.2017 um 14:02 schrieb Cyrille :
>>
>>
>>
> Why is it not a good choice? Just because it’s not open-source?
It's difficult for me to argument in English... But I didn't said
*github is not a good choice* but: "is it the good choice?". In the
sense than an other can be better. For me gitlab is a *best choice*. I
just found this article

about the question in English. But in French I read this very good
article
.
The problem is the same as all the private enterprise, and respect for
private life. In this sense for me, open-source is important yes. We
work all here for sword, an open-source software, it belongs to our
convictions it seems to me. So between an open-source possibility and
another proprietary, I do not hesitate. But also github is subject to
the United States laws, so potential developers of countries considered
to be in the axis of evil or terrorist state would not have the right to
work there.
I do not support the Patriot Act :)
At the end I'm French, I love freedom :-D


Best regards, Br Cyrille
>
>
> Manfred
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Re: [sword-devel] SWORD 1.8.0RC5 Final RC

[Manfred Bergmann]

> Am 27.11.2017 um 14:02 schrieb Cyrille :
> 
> 
> 
> Le 27/11/2017 à 10:58, Manfred Bergmann a écrit :
>> OK.
>> I believe those bindings are kind of developed in their own pace.
>> So I had create a GitHub project for them which target a certain SWORD 
>> version.
> Is Github the good choice? Gitlab is completely open-source, Github no.

Why is it not a good choice? Just because it’s not open-source?


Manfred
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