Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
Peter von Kaehne wrote:
I am right now in the process of updating the Doxygen documentation on
the website. I am sure this could be run in a scripted fashion
eventually and I will investigate this if it is considered helpful.
Peter
Martin Gruner has maintained
Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
Dear Greg,
My apologies. I missed copying your shadow entry, which made your
password invalid. You should be set now.
For those with accounts on CrossWire, you will find your old stuff under
/backup/oldserver/space/home/your_user_name
IMAP folders have
Tonny Kohar wrote:
I just installing bibledit on my ubuntu :)
Try to get bibledit from source and compile it. The releases are very
much ahead of what Ubuntu has to offer.
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Just had a look through sourceforge and found that there is a world of
less commonly referenced front ends and utilities
http://www.scripture-guide.org/ (for BeOS, ZETA and Haiku)
http://sourceforge.net/projects/kjvwithbrotherv/ - a daily devotional module
Was anyone aware of these SWORD modules?
http://www.thaipope.org/modules
Several Thai language modules - a Bible, a dictionary and some GenBooks.
I think we have the Bible, but none of the rest. At least one module is
explcietly marked as public domain.
Peter
Manfred Bergmann wrote:
AFAIK it is only NewTestament
The OT appears under work.
... and the transaltion is very, very modern.
Odd is probably the best description.
But, the print version is selling like ice cream on a hot summer day,
appears theologically correct (endorsements by a wide
David Haslam wrote:
Peter, (in your opinion) why is the Volxbibel selling like hot cakes ? Is
it just good marketing?
Honestly can't tell you. I was not even aware of it until today, but
found to my utter astonishment that it made the Der Spiegel bestseller
list.
Peter
After hitting an impasse caused by my jsp limits I finally managed to
get the module list to work in my draft version of the new website for
SWORD.
Problems left are hopefully minor and will be eliminated before the
website will become live. (* known problems listed below)
You can use it already
Peter von Kaehne wrote:
*) List of current problems:
1) It displays empty lists when no module is available in a chosen category
Improved in looks but not resolved. Probably can remain so.
2) Some texts are repetitive and need to get put at the right place and
shown only once
Done
3
Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
Limiting the possibilities is probably a good decision. The list should
be carefully crafted. I think it should be based on the amount of
modules and amount of users. Most languages have only one or two
modules. How about giving only 4 languages: English, German, Ancient
Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
Limiting the possibilities is probably a good decision. The list should
be carefully crafted. I think it should be based on the amount of
modules and amount of users. Most languages have only one or two
modules. How about giving only 4 languages: English, German, Ancient
Eeli describes well how I understand paraphrase and how I see the
Volxbibel (or what I have read of it).
The Cottonpatch bible quoted by Eeli is in concept pretty close to what
the VolxBibel does - finding not words or phrases fitting the original,
but images and symbols which give (hopefully) a
Thanks for the comments received on and off the mailing list. This was
all very constructive.
I realise there is still a fair amount of work to do and will go back to
it. It is hard to see where the shortcomings are when too closely
involved and too familiar with the product.
A couple of
re module stats
I have been searching widely tonight again through the website with
regard to the module stats but remain without answers.
How are the module stats produced? At the moment it appears that the
script is not working - the stats have not changed since ages, the file
is untouched
Ok,
Thanks to mwtalbert who made me aware of the exchange attached below.
The script is still in ghellings files. It does not work as it requires
some Perl modules which appears not to be available.
I would be extremely grateful if someone could look into what is needed
to make it work. I
Peter von Kaehne wrote:
re module stats
I have been searching widely tonight again through the website with
regard to the module stats but remain without answers.
ok. Got the answer, Thanks Mwtalbert. The original perl scripts were
defunct since March 2008 (?)
Ghellings has written
Joachim Ansorg wrote:
Hi Peter,
I did the first version of that script years ago. DM did some fixes not too
long ago, I think.
The error message says that the perl module readbackwards is not yet
installed. I think that it should be available in Fedora. Troy has to install
the package.
David Haslam wrote:
There are lots of undecoded codepoints in the text! Here are some examples
from Matthew ch 1.
http://www.nabble.com/file/p21209279/vlx3_codepoints.png
-- David
It is a lot better to go directly from the Wiki to OSIS. I can not see
any good reason to use Xephania as a
David Haslam wrote:
... in their complicated (and almost unreadable)
SED-based scripts.
Sed scripts can be cool. Ask Karl for some of his specials.
Peter
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Chris Little wrote:
Neither Wolfgang's module nor Jan's ThML include any of the footnotes or
section headings, so neither of them are particularly representative of
the VolxBibel or of particular utility to us.
The point being that Jan's ThML is meant for a frontend which does not
do foot
I put up yesterday a news item on a new release of a minor frontend ,
bringing it in line with current modules.
Within a short while the item had vanished without trace.
If this is caused by a bug, then I would like to report it. There is
already another bug with that system which makes editing
was the lack of
appropriate category to put it in, so I put it into General. I do
think we should create a general frontend category for minor frontends
which might get a news release once in a while.
in Him
Peter
Chris Little wrote:
Peter von Kaehne wrote:
I put up yesterday a news item on a new release
Chris Little wrote:
It's fine to list LcdBible news if an actual new release is made. But,
the most recent release on Lynn's site is still from 2006.
The news release was based on an email from Lynn, which I will forward
to you.
I will ask him to clarify where he has the updated package and
Chris Little wrote:
My last solution of a single table row works well on shallow and normal
screens, but causes scrolling on very narrow screens.
I checked the crosswire.org site on a desktop with a nice large screen
resolution, an iPhone (320x480), the same iPhone in landscape (480x320),
Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
I feel the project site has lost its identity, subsumed within a corner
of the CrossWire site. I think this is because of the large CrossWire
logo at the top instead of The SWORD Project logo :)
This is not completely intentional.
I struggle with the SWORD logo. It
I have re-released the Lcdbible item after the matters of concern which
Chris highlighted were rectified or are in the process of getting
rectified by Lynn.
I have also released a news item on bpBible's release of a the 0.4
release as portaple app on the 19th December.
Slowly but surely we will
Peter von Kaehne wrote:
As I said, I have found a solution with a a inline list which works
better on all kinds of screen designs.
This is now implemented on www.crosswire.org. The design is a inline
unordered list with nbsp in all spaces between words which should not
wrap - like
Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
I agree. The SWORD Project is a special case. But I think, as has also
been suggested by some, that we could move most of the developer section
to the wiki. It doesn't necessarily have to have similar design to the
CrossWire pages which are meant for outsiders.
We have
Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
Thanks for hearing feedback Peter and your willingness to please. :)
I like the new CrossWire menu bar much better. Not sure of the wording.
I feel Publishers might miss the folks we want to draw to that link,
which includes: Publishers, Outreach Ministries, and
Greg Hellings wrote:
I don't know where you the claim that The SWORD Project site is dead
from - I can tell you exactly one time when I looked at the wiki: when
someone else made a FAQ entry about an iPhone front-end and asked
anyone who might try to tackle it to edit the info there.
Hard
Chris,
My suggestion is that you do following
ssh chris...@crosswire.org
cd ~crosswire/html
svn co -r10
You will get the old site in its whole glory.
Alternatively we might want to start working again constructively. i
would genuinely prefer that. I feel that at the moment you are out to
find
Peter von Kaehne wrote:
There is always the option of getting stuff which has become static out
of the wiki and back into the site (as I have done with the FAQ) but the
problem with this is that it easily becomes a maintenance nightmare.
It would make sense though for stuff like the texts
Manu just emailed me that he has returned to work at SwordBible.
As you probably know he has created a simple and straightforeward
Windows frontend a while back, but then went to help Lynn on his
LCDBible and Berean Bible projects.
He has now returned to SwordBible work, brought it in line with
Sorry this section got lost in my last email.
I am thinking after some discussion with Troy last night we would
benefit from having a shorter list of presentable portfolio of stuff we
do. At the moment the closest we have to this is
www.crosswire.org/applications.jsp
The difficulty is that a lot
owners (i.e. for CrossWire
in general).
I think this is right and has been my experience too.
Peter
This fits in with the Lord's saying, Give, and it shall be given unto you.
(Luke 6:38).
-- David
Peter von Kaehne wrote:
What is it that you show to people when you try and get them
Chris,
I do think that this discussion should be on the list. Hence I take it
back there.
Peter von Kaehne said
I do not experiment with live sites.
Chris Little said
My comments pertained to the CrossWire site, which has seen various
experiments over the last few days, relating
Chris Little wrote:
Peter von Kaehne wrote:
With regard to browser inconsistencies I am trying to keep the two
stylesheets in sync, but if I missed something, please tell me.
I also do think there should be ways of making it work with a single
sheet, making IE fail gracefully rather than
DM Smith wrote:
I agree with Troy that the http://www.crosswire.org is our first
impression and needs to be a great one. I think that much of what you
have done has moved that direction.
I think that our audience is multi-faceted:
(IMHO)
- Our biggest target audience is the front-end
Jonathan Morgan wrote:
What I would probably do would be as close as possible to use the
versification of the module on the left, assuming that is the
primary work (maybe allowing changing which one is primary, and I
suppose to keep Peter happy the first one should be the right one in
an RtoL
As an aside - the simplest way to deal with alternate versification and
parallel display would be to decouple (at least potentially) parallel
column displays.
Poeple who deal regularly with translations which use diverging
versificatins are probably well aware of the versification differences
and
One of the sore points from last autumn was a discussion about TEI
encoded dictionaries and how poorly they display in absence of good
filters - etc. You all remember.
A couple of days ago I played a bit around with CSS, trying to see what
it could/would do to a TEI entry. I used abash from
Mike Hart wrote:
I'm working on several bibles to get them into Sword Format
(ultimately into public domain, or as close to PD as possible), and
I've got a few unresolved issues.
Can someone point me to the how-to that covers these topics?
Please have a look at our wiki, which now is
Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
Quoting DM Smith dmsmith...@yahoo.com:
If necessary I can add captcha to every edit and to every page creation.
Please, never! I'll stop using wiki at that phase.
I second Eeli here.
I wonder further whether it might simply make more sense to restrict
account
Mike Hart wrote:
That's interesting, because ancle is one of the words I corrected in
JSFB -- the OCR had ancle, but the PDF itself, my paper KJV copy, and
my JPS complete Tanach (individual volumes) had ankle... I can't say
what verse it was, at the time I was hunting for e's that had been
Jeremy Erickson wrote:
I have never really compiled anything on Windows not using Visual
Studio,
unless I was using Cygwin and didn't care if it linked the DLL. (The vast
majority of my experience is on Linux, and the rest on Mac OS X which is
similar.) However, for distribution,
I am working on a new whole Bible module (Dari). I produced it from USFM
source which was clean enough from USFM point of view - the only things
I needed to do was removing some backup info and exchanging a deprecated
usfm marker \ph with \li.
So far so good.
usfm2osis.pl and then osis2mod
Thanks to all. It validates now. I am not entirely sure what I have done
different.
Peter
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Over the last year or so a fair bunch of XSL sheets loosely connected to
module making have come about or were mentioned here on the list, often
partially completed and published via attachments on the mailing list.
Right now I am aware of
1) a XSL sheet for exporting OSIS Genbooks from ODF
2) a
My understanding of a discussion with Troy was that we are not supposed
to do beta testing on the Wycliffe modules as they are kind a separate
category - supplied and maintained by the organisation - and we only
host them
If this understanding is correct could we either move them in bulk into
the
Chris Little wrote:
Peter von Kaehne wrote:
We set aside the Wycliffe modules from testing (both literally and
figuratively) at your request and that occurred significantly prior to
the cessation of testing.
Then you have a significantly better memory than I, though I do admit
feeling
Looking finally on a long neglected pile of files for an Persian
commentary I stumbled over a few things which bug me dt lack of knowledge
1) If material is not meant to refer to any particular verse, but only
to the whole chapter - content summaries etc does it go into verse 0 or
is it simply
Brian Fernandes wrote:
First impression: Wonderful! It seems to me that this is an excellent
frontend. It even displays the NET bible as it should and that is quite
Thanks for the quick review, I'm glad you like it! Serious credit to
JSword which gives me the HTML required for rendering.
Dan Blake wrote:
This may not be possible, but it might help.
If someone has the Zarnegar word processor they could:
The few people I know who have it have a crippled free version which
can not print. The joys of proprietary software. Universities etc
distributed that en masse at a time when
Brother Robert Sandrock OSB, the author of T'Nach,
http://www.koenigsmuenster.de/rsk/install.jar
a German freely distributable Bible study programme has kindly allowed
us to import his extensive dictionaries (Greek, Hebrew and Latin) into
CrossWire. These dictionaries have been created by
As a side issue of the other debate - how can I achieve NFC for a text I
am working on via commandline utilities?
All I can find in ICU documentation is about programming methods
available, but I have seen no command line utilities.
Peter
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On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Chris Little chris...@crosswire.org wrote:
Peter von Kaehne wrote:
If this understanding is correct could we either move them in bulk into
the main repository or- in my view vastly preferable - create a vendor
repository for Wycliffe
Matthew Talbert wrote:
My bias against ICU is that I have never been able to successfully
compile against it, either on Windows or Linux. That has been quite a
while ago, so I should try again. Also, I believe for a while, ICU
wasn't included in many distros (this is just based off of comments
Chris Little wrote:
uconv -f utf-8 -t utf-8 -x NFC -o output input
Thanks a lot!
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Peter von Kaehne wrote:
Chris Little wrote:
uconv -f utf-8 -t utf-8 -x NFC -o output input
Thanks a lot!
Unfortunately learned in the process that my problems with search are
not caused by lack of normalisation, but by inconsistent encoding -
there are three different Arabic/Farsi Unicode
Dear All,
As all of you know the Debian and Ubuntu packages are way out of date,
and are falling behind more and more. To a degree this is mitigated by
DomCox's packages, but in the end it hurts the project as it gives
exposre to old stuff.
I have therefore tried to get to the bottom of this and
A first reponse on #ubuntu-=motu for resolving this on Ubuntu:
refdoc: The short version if you have packages prepared is to file a
bug against the package in Launchpad, attach the .diff.gz of the
package to the bug, tag the bug upgrade, and subscribe the
ubuntu-universe-sponsors team to
Peter von Kaehne wrote:
A first reponse on #ubuntu-=motu for resolving this on Ubuntu:
refdoc: The short version if you have packages prepared is to file a
bug against the package in Launchpad, attach the .diff.gz of the
package to the bug, tag the bug upgrade, and subscribe the
ubuntu
There is a discussion on pkg-crosswire-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
about packaging of modules.
I guess it would be useful if some of the developers could come there
and participate.
Peter
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Simon Baconnais wrote:
Ok, i can translate it because these works are in the public domain.
But how do can I do it ? I can't open the .czs, .czz or .czv ... What do
I have to do, to create new modules based on the original ones ?
1) the best approach is to obtain the original files which
I tried several times compiling sword with ICU.
I have ICU and relevant devs installed.
I do not seem to attract any error messages
if I run osis2mod I get following message:
You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 2213 $
osis2mod is not compiled with support for ICU. Ignoring -n flag.
Note, that I
Peter von Kaehne wrote:
I tried several times compiling sword with ICU.
I have ICU and relevant devs installed.
I do not seem to attract any error messages
if I run osis2mod I get following message:
You are running osis2mod: $Rev: 2213 $
osis2mod is not compiled with support for ICU
Martin Gruner wrote:
Andrew,
I'm forwarding your question to the Sword developer's mailing list. This is
the right place to ask. BibleTime works with modules provided by the Sword
library.
AFAICT, there is no way to import from e-Sword.
God bless,
Martin
In general we do not
Looking at the Wiki the correct way to encode a verse(group) by
verse(group) commentary in OSIS goes like this
chapter .
div type=section annotateType=commentary annotateRef=...
...
/div
div type=section annotateType=commentary annotateRef=...
/div
...
/chapter
fine so far. Each div
I tried to build Corba and Python bindings today against current svn but
failed on both counts quite miserably.
writing python/setup.py
cd python /usr/bin/python setup.py build_ext -L/usr/local/lib -lsword
running build_ext
building '_Sword' extension
gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing
David Haslam wrote:
Selecting Malachi 4 in FreCrampon gives an empty text display.
Selecting Malachi 3 shows that the text for Mal 4:1-6 is included within Mal
3:18.
Why is this? Can this be corrected?
btw. It causes errors when tools such as MOD2IMP are used.
-- David
This is one
Looking at the bugs database it is quite clear that the bulk of open
bugs in sword is not open at all, but long ago dealt with.
Does anyone close bugs?
I am asking as the bugs database is now a lot more exposed to the
general public.
1) it is linked to from our frontpages
2) it is used by the
David Trotz wrote:
Kahunapule Michael Johnson wrote:
Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
... I need a new laptop and considering buying a Mac! :)
Good choice. My MacBook is the best notebook computer I have ever
used. You should definitely seriously consider a new MacBook or
MacBook Pro. You can
xiphos is getting translated into Welsh.
Peter
Original-Nachricht
Datum: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:38:55 +0100
Von: Daniel Glassey dglas...@gmail.com
An: SWORD Developers\' Collaboration Forum sword-devel@crosswire.org
Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] Welsh Bible from beibl.net
On
Can someone enlighten me regarding morphem separation support?
What exactly is it, why is it useful to have in a Bible study
programme? And yes, is it something done by the engine? To what extent
and which languages. Does it require specially marked up modules or is
it simply there? Do we have
Weston Ruter wrote:
Dear Crosswire,
Thank you for all you guys are doing to further open source Bible
software. I am writing inquiring about The Bible Tool. It appears to me
that development on it has slowed down, is that right?
Kind of. Troy and I have some definitive plans what should
Am trying to clean up a new module but stumble over the Ps 119 acrostic
titles.
In USFM they are encoded \qa [Letter]
I tried lg type=acrostic [Letter] /lg but it appears that xmllint
does not like it. I get a message inside lg with attribute there may not
be anything but white space.
What is
I think there is a bug in sword-svn related to GenBook bibles:
I get following error messaqe both from xiphos and from diatheke when i
try to access a GenBook bible.
pure virtual method called
terminate called without an active exception
Aborted
The diatheke command I used was following:
Adrian Korten wrote:
Good day,
I'm advising a team of Thai people who would like to prepare a Bible and
book for import to Sword. They currently have both texts in Word with
in-line mark-up (no styles). I assume that they would need to save as
raw text and then start adding the markup. Could
Jonathan Morgan wrote:
This is now the time to consider again removing the unsupported Sword
for Windows, which is condemned by many and misleads many about the
potential of the Sword platform because it appears to be the official
(and thus the best) one to casual onlookers.
I think this is
Jonathan Morgan wrote:
I applaud Xiphos and BibleTime for coming to Windows. Each provides a
different way at approaching God's Word. Now we have 5 major, supported
frontends for Windows that people can choose from! (I'm including AlKitab)
But not, it appears, including BPBible, which is a
Daniel Owens wrote:
This discussion about deprecating BibleCS is no doubt fueled by the fact
that it's name suggests it is THE flagship program for Windows. To be
sure, for English (and other ascii-friendly languages) users, it is a
feature rich alternative. However, given that it has
Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
My difficulty with the table layout is that it relegates special
features to just a column on the right that will be very easy to
overfill, to the point of making it unusable, unreadable. But it is
exactly per-app special features that can determine which app has the
It appears that all clucene/lucene capable frontends can do proximity
searches. BpBible exposes this via its GUI, others rely on the
clucene/lucene syntax.
Q: Is there anything particular about bpbible's proximity searches or do
I simply use the wrong syntax?
I get on the ABU in xiphos for
Matthew Talbert wrote:
I do not know about the others, but cross-verse search is not possible
in Xiphos.
Are you sure? The whole clucene stuff in xiphos is not really documented
at the moment. I found a lot via going into Jakarta's documentation.
I do vaguely though remember that there is
Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
- The format has been mangled a bit, because you've put Read Aloud in
but it shows up under Portable :-)
Fixed
- Dom will be annoyed that you left French off the GUI languages list.
Ouch. Fixed
I have taken out the maintained column - it is clearly useless if all
and MacSword I know so little that I haven't really
added much.
Daniel
DM Smith wrote:
On Feb 27, 2009, at 2:46 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
Am 27.02.2009 um 02:02 schrieb Peter von Kaehne:
2. Add a comparison table for desktop front-ends called Which SWORD
application is right for me
Chris Little wrote:
Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
Manfred Bergmann bergman...@web.de writes:
What is meant by Ancillary texts and Verse Lists?
Many modules, both Bibles and commentaries, have additional introductory
material at the fictitious n:0 and 0:0 references. Some apps are able
to
I have worked now several hours on the wiki comparison page.
What I tried to achieve is reduction of as many as possible entries into
simple yes/no entries (+/- short comment) to make it as easy as possible
to actually compare.
This meant obviously that the number of list columns has gone up
Ben Morgan wrote:
I don't think book level introductions are usually particularly
important - definitely not a serious bug.
I think this is a decision for the module maker and not for the tool
maker. As long as the sword engine supports a feature, module makers
will make use of it - if they
Barry Drake wrote:
Hi there .
I've only just had chance to take a proper look at the Wiki page. It
seems good as far as it goes, but I'm very concerned about the things it
doesn't compare.
why are you concerned? Fix it please. The bulk of the table was produced
by myself last night in
DM Smith wrote:
Peter, (and others)
A couple of thoughts regarding this wiki.
First, I think it is going very well. Kudos to all that have helped. I
can see a lot of effort has gone into this!
Thanks
I think it would be good to have an explanation of the column headings
under each
Dan Blake wrote:
Eeli mentioned using graphics for some of the items to conserve space.
Here are very small graphics for supported operating systems.
Thanks Dan!
You know what I really would like to have is a minimalistic graphic for
yes/no/partial or some such.
Peter
Thanks Brian,
Brian Fernandes wrote:
Peter,
Truly a great effort and a good list of features for frontend authors to
refer to and improve.
It started as a way for users to compare, but I think ultimatrely it
will be much more useful to developers etc.
I want to edit the FireBible rows
Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
Quoting Barry Drake bdr...@crosswire.org:
I suggest an additional column (or more). 'Footnote Handling' marked
as 'complete' or 'limited' (or somesuch). Another point that we might
want to consider is navigation on a scale of 0 to 5. BibleCS might be
around 2, and
Brian Fernandes wrote:
DM,
Just a few notes on the layout; these changes look great, and the table
is definitely easier to read. I do agree that the columns are too narrow.
Seconded.
I was recently looking at this wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers
The
Brian Fernandes wrote:
Unfortunately I could not figure out how to easily import the {{yes}} /
{{no}} templates into our Wiki, perhaps best left to someone with more
experience. I can try again later tomorrow if nobody gets to it by then
- if you think this is a good idea.
I have created a
Chris Little wrote:
Peter von Kaehne wrote:
The OS support I would simply do as previous - one row only, but maybe
with icons to make faster to read. Win95+ or WinXP+ is adequate instead
of a whole list of variants (unless newer Wins do not work).
This may seem a minor matter, but I'm
DM Smith wrote:
I have a Windows 98 laptop
Could you for curiosity sake test xiphos on it?
Peter
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Matthew Talbert wrote:
I could, but I think it is a low priority for me and for the Xiphos folk.
(Who may not want to know if it works there ;)
If it works, would that mean we would have to support it? (desperately
praying it won't!!)
I have made for the wiki an executive decision and a
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