Re: [Sycamore-Dev] User CSS URL
The CSS URL feature is unnecessary. Let me make sure I understand this feature correctly. It allows users to set a custom css file for a wiki, correct? When a url is set in the user prefs it'll embed that url into the page itself so the customizations are automatically made by the browser. I'll base my comments on the assumption that I understand this feature... Yes, this feature is somewhat unnecessary and should be removed. This is a relatively fringe way of implementing this feature. If someone really wants to customize the css of a sycamore wiki (or any website for that matter) they can just do it in Firefox by editing the userChrome.css[1]. This allows even more flexibility than this feature also because you can do it on a per-domain level. If they're using IE and IE doesn't support that feature they should scrap that hunk and get a real browser, wrote Scott as he hijacked the thread and degraded it into a browser war. I argue that the CSS itself is unnecessary. This is because the css doesn't have anything to do with creating, accessing, or the general usefulness of the information management of the wiki software, it merely dictates how the information is displayed. The manner in which the information is displayed is merely eye candy, it makes it easier to read, but it is hardly necessary. Further more it adds complication, as one user could have a preference for a different display, perhaps they are color blind, perhaps they dislike certain fonts, or maybe they lack them. Accounting for all these preferences makes the inclusion of CSS too much a pain and thusly I propose the wiki should be reduced to a medium purely of information because there could surely be no way to easily account for everyone's preferences in the way the data is displayed. I have to call bollocks here. I think CSS is very necessary for the usability and efficiency of web software. How many popular (and notoriously usable) sites out there do not use CSS. How else would you accomplish large text for older people, small text for us internet pros, a stripped down version for text-based clients or screen readers, and at the same time printing the page without graphics or navigation? Of course all of this is possible using CSS and only one hit to the dynamic part of the wiki. CSS is highly efficient and should be used whenever possible. Scott [1] http://blog.persistent.info/2004/10/skinning-gmail-with-custom-stylesheet.html ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev
Re: [Sycamore-Dev] User CSS URL
What about safari, oracle, and all those other browsers I have painstakingly made the base css files work for? There are several cases where I could need this feature, but be using some other browser, or not be on my computer, and thusly, the inclusion of this feature is of great benefit. Also, this is pretty easy to use, and obvious to the greater majority (given the majority is still IE despite bitching to the otherwise) and thus provides the feature more reliably. There seems to be little cost in actually including the feature anyway, I am wondering how this issue began. ~Dave On 5/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The CSS URL feature is unnecessary. Let me make sure I understand this feature correctly. It allows users to set a custom css file for a wiki, correct? When a url is set in the user prefs it'll embed that url into the page itself so the customizations are automatically made by the browser. I'll base my comments on the assumption that I understand this feature... Yes, this feature is somewhat unnecessary and should be removed. This is a relatively fringe way of implementing this feature. If someone really wants to customize the css of a sycamore wiki (or any website for that matter) they can just do it in Firefox by editing the userChrome.css[1]. This allows even more flexibility than this feature also because you can do it on a per-domain level. If they're using IE and IE doesn't support that feature they should scrap that hunk and get a real browser, wrote Scott as he hijacked the thread and degraded it into a browser war. I argue that the CSS itself is unnecessary. This is because the css doesn't have anything to do with creating, accessing, or the general usefulness of the information management of the wiki software, it merely dictates how the information is displayed. The manner in which the information is displayed is merely eye candy, it makes it easier to read, but it is hardly necessary. Further more it adds complication, as one user could have a preference for a different display, perhaps they are color blind, perhaps they dislike certain fonts, or maybe they lack them. Accounting for all these preferences makes the inclusion of CSS too much a pain and thusly I propose the wiki should be reduced to a medium purely of information because there could surely be no way to easily account for everyone's preferences in the way the data is displayed. I have to call bollocks here. I think CSS is very necessary for the usability and efficiency of web software. How many popular (and notoriously usable) sites out there do not use CSS. How else would you accomplish large text for older people, small text for us internet pros, a stripped down version for text-based clients or screen readers, and at the same time printing the page without graphics or navigation? Of course all of this is possible using CSS and only one hit to the dynamic part of the wiki. CSS is highly efficient and should be used whenever possible. Scott [1] http://blog.persistent.info/2004/10/skinning-gmail-with-custom-stylesheet.html ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev
Re: [Sycamore-Dev] User CSS URL
Scott, The User CSS URL feature allows the user to specify the location of a CSS file. E.g http://myhomepage.com/wiki.css. This value is then stored in the database (users = css_url). When the page is built, Sycamore checks to see if there is a value for the user and then adds it to the required CSS link to the document head. To see this in action: Visit http://tustin.wikispot.org/ and notice the beautiful CSS hackery. Then go to your user preference page and use http://wikispot.org/Wiki_Settings/CSS? sendfile=trueamp;file=style.css for your Personal CSS URL. and revisit http://tustin.wikispot.org/ I'm uncertain of how much utility this feature provides. And if its worth maintaining. Adam On May 22, 2007, at 1:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The CSS URL feature is unnecessary. Let me make sure I understand this feature correctly. It allows users to set a custom css file for a wiki, correct? When a url is set in the user prefs it'll embed that url into the page itself so the customizations are automatically made by the browser. I'll base my comments on the assumption that I understand this feature... Yes, this feature is somewhat unnecessary and should be removed. This is a relatively fringe way of implementing this feature. If someone really wants to customize the css of a sycamore wiki (or any website for that matter) they can just do it in Firefox by editing the userChrome.css[1]. This allows even more flexibility than this feature also because you can do it on a per-domain level. If they're using IE and IE doesn't support that feature they should scrap that hunk and get a real browser, wrote Scott as he hijacked the thread and degraded it into a browser war. I argue that the CSS itself is unnecessary. This is because the css doesn't have anything to do with creating, accessing, or the general usefulness of the information management of the wiki software, it merely dictates how the information is displayed. The manner in which the information is displayed is merely eye candy, it makes it easier to read, but it is hardly necessary. Further more it adds complication, as one user could have a preference for a different display, perhaps they are color blind, perhaps they dislike certain fonts, or maybe they lack them. Accounting for all these preferences makes the inclusion of CSS too much a pain and thusly I propose the wiki should be reduced to a medium purely of information because there could surely be no way to easily account for everyone's preferences in the way the data is displayed. I have to call bollocks here. I think CSS is very necessary for the usability and efficiency of web software. How many popular (and notoriously usable) sites out there do not use CSS. How else would you accomplish large text for older people, small text for us internet pros, a stripped down version for text-based clients or screen readers, and at the same time printing the page without graphics or navigation? Of course all of this is possible using CSS and only one hit to the dynamic part of the wiki. CSS is highly efficient and should be used whenever possible. Scott [1] http://blog.persistent.info/2004/10/skinning-gmail-with-custom- stylesheet.html ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev
Re: [Sycamore-Dev] User CSS URL
I think whenever we find a feature that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense and isn't widely used, if it has a special-purpose field in the database, we ought to nix it prior to the v2 migration. This seems like a clear-cut case, absent any data that people are using it. I think right now there are much larger, higher priority issues we should focus on. Philip makes a good point and we should try not to get bogged down on these relatively minor points. It is only one extra field in the user table. I've noticed my emails tending to be on the long side so I'll try to be more to the point in the future. Oh ya and I think the bike shed should be shiny chrome so birds will fly into it. Scott ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev
Re: [Sycamore-Dev] User CSS URL
It isn't necessary but it is useful. I like to tweak how webpages look with CSS. With this feature, I don't have to futz around with things like greasemonkey and my tweaks are accessible on any computer, not just my main one. Unless it's a real pain in the butt to keep in the codebase, why remove it? William On May 21, 2007, at 10:29 PM, Adam Dewitz wrote: Is the User CSS URL feature necessary? I don't see any tangible benefits for the end user. I would like to get thoughts on why/why not it should be removed from Sapling. Adam ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev ___ Sycamore-Dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.projectsycamore.org/ https://tools.cernio.com/mailman/listinfo/sycamore-dev
