Re: -protocol: transport mappings

2004-02-06 Thread Chris Lonvick
Hi, It appears that we have consensus to adopt a new piece of work specifically to document the transport mapping of syslog. This work needs to state that the REQUIRED mapping at this time is UDP for assured interoperability. It needs to stay short, and to the point so it can progress with

RE: -protocol: transport mappings

2004-02-06 Thread Rainer Gerhards
Hi all, thanks for all the great comments. Let me try to sum up the current concensus: - multiple transport mappings are a good thing - it is at least helpful to have one required transport. Some do not really like this idea, but would tolerate it (correct me if I got this wrong!) - a

RE: -protocol: transport mappings

2004-02-06 Thread Rainer Gerhards
Given that state of the discussion, I propose that we actually require each implementation that talks to a transport MUST support the to-be-written UDP transport mapping. I disagree with this on principle. This that talks to a transport crappy-little-rule is being done to accommodate a

RE: -protocol: transport mappings

2004-02-06 Thread Rainer Gerhards
not a priority for this group here. Rainer -Original Message- From: Harrington, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:26 PM To: Rainer Gerhards; Anton Okmianski; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: -protocol: transport mappings Hi, Comments inline. *snip

RE: -protocol: transport mappings

2004-02-06 Thread Harrington, David
-Original Message- From: Rainer Gerhards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: -protocol: transport mappings Given that state of the discussion, I propose that we actually require each implementation that talks

RE: -protocol: transport mappings

2004-02-06 Thread Harrington, David
-Original Message- From: Rainer Gerhards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Given that state of the discussion, I propose that we require each implementation MUST support the to-be-written UDP transport mapping. Everybody is free to use the format when not talking to someone else. After

RE: -protocol: transport mappings

2004-02-06 Thread Harrington, David
Hi, Comments inline. *snip* 2. I think requiring UDP implementation reduces the areas in which syslog message format RFC could be utilized. I can see many different areas. For example, if RFC came without UDP baggage, we, within Cisco, could potentially standardize on this format

RE: -protocol: transport mappings

2004-02-05 Thread Anton Okmianski
is not a MUST. Anton. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Ross Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 7:28 PM To: 'Chris Lonvick'; 'Rainer Gerhards' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: -protocol: transport mappings I agree that having

RE: -protocol: transport mappings

2004-02-05 Thread Rainer Gerhards
David, I think this is an very important comment in regard to the overall design. I think it is of advantage to facilitate the creation of other transport mappings, as for example is currently being discussed for SNMP inform messages. Where is this discussion taking place? In the

RE: -protocol: transport mappings

2004-02-05 Thread Rainer Gerhards
From: Anton Okmianski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree with general consensus that there must be at least one mapping. I guess UDP is easiest. But I would prefer that compliance with this transport is not required as far as -protocol. We all know UDP may not be an ideal transport, so a

RE: -protocol: transport mappings

2004-02-05 Thread Anton Okmianski
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rainer Gerhards Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:18 AM To: Anton Okmianski; Andrew Ross; Chris Lonvick; Harrington, David; Marshall Rose Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: -protocol: transport mappings From: Anton Okmianski [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: -protocol: transport mappings

2004-02-05 Thread Marshall Rose
I think the cleanest approach is to put the transport into a separate RFC and publish the UDP mapping concurrently with -protocol. However, considering that the whole transport description for UDP is just use port 514, I am not sure if the WG wants to go with the overhead of extra RFC

RE: -protocol: transport mappings

2004-02-04 Thread Harrington, David
Hi Comments inline. My position is that -protocol should NOT contain any transport mapping and that there should be a short RFC outlining how -protocol is to be mapped on UDP transport. I think it is important to have at least one transport mapping to ensure interoperability. I'm a bit

RE: -protocol: transport mappings

2004-02-04 Thread Chris Lonvick
Hi David, On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Harrington, David wrote: Hi Comments inline. My position is that -protocol should NOT contain any transport mapping and that there should be a short RFC outlining how -protocol is to be mapped on UDP transport. I think it is important to have at least