Re: [systemd-devel] What I think is really wrong with systemd

2015-09-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.09.2015 um 03:08 schrieb Jon Stanley: On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: nonsense 4.1.x will get a lot more updates while 4.2.x get them too systemd never ever had any minor release That is the nonsense. 4.1.x is not maintained by the kernel maintainer, but rather

Re: [systemd-devel] What I think is really wrong with systemd

2015-09-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.09.2015 um 17:52 schrieb Kok, Auke-jan H: On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 16.09.2015 um 17:13 schrieb Ahmed S. Darwish: Not to mention that the same rolling-release model was adopted by the kernel long time ago for similar reasons and much more ;-) that is *

Re: [systemd-devel] What I think is really wrong with systemd

2015-09-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 16.09.15 09:47, dott...@gmail.com (dott...@gmail.com) wrote: > Now, as was written in that post, the project consists of over 69 > binaries, where most of them are entirely optional. It's 119 executables now, btw. > The problem with this project is not how it is written. > It is how it i

[systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Preliminary systemd.conf 2015 Schedule is now up!

2015-09-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
Heya! Please see: http://0pointer.net/blog/preliminary-systemdconf-2015-schedule.html We'd like to thank everybody who submitted a presentation proposal! The response to the CfP was overwhelming, and our scheduled is now packed with exciting talks! See you in Berlin, Lennart -- Lennart Poett

Re: [systemd-devel] What I think is really wrong with systemd

2015-09-16 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 16 September 2015 at 16:52, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 16.09.2015 um 17:13 schrieb Ahmed S. Darwish: >>> >>> Not to mention that the same rolling-release model was adopted by >>> the kernel long time ago for similar reasons and much mor

Re: [systemd-devel] What I think is really wrong with systemd

2015-09-16 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
dott...@gmail.com: If systemd keeps going the way it does, it will eventually get forked, [...] Psst! This already happened, a year ago. Read http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ to learn what happened. ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel

Re: [systemd-devel] What I think is really wrong with systemd

2015-09-16 Thread Greg KH
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 05:38:55PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 16.09.2015 um 17:13 schrieb Ahmed S. Darwish: > >Not to mention that the same rolling-release model was adopted by > >the kernel long time ago for similar reasons and much more ;-) > > that is *not* true and won't become tru

Re: [systemd-devel] What I think is really wrong with systemd

2015-09-16 Thread Kok, Auke-jan H
On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 16.09.2015 um 17:13 schrieb Ahmed S. Darwish: >> >> Not to mention that the same rolling-release model was adopted by >> the kernel long time ago for similar reasons and much more ;-) > > that is *not* true and won't become true by repeat

Re: [systemd-devel] What I think is really wrong with systemd

2015-09-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.09.2015 um 17:13 schrieb Ahmed S. Darwish: Not to mention that the same rolling-release model was adopted by the kernel long time ago for similar reasons and much more ;-) that is *not* true and won't become true by repeat it https://www.kernel.org/ mainline: 4.2 201

Re: [systemd-devel] What I think is really wrong with systemd

2015-09-16 Thread Michał Zegan
W dniu 16.09.2015 o 15:08, Martin Pitt pisze: Michał Zegan [2015-09-16 14:41 +0200]: I actually believe that debian does some splitting, for example pam-systemd module is in a separate package. Actually I feel that particular case is wrong, but it happens there. I mean debian jessie, of course

Re: [systemd-devel] What I think is really wrong with systemd

2015-09-16 Thread Ahmed S. Darwish
Hi, On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 01:20:58PM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: > Thanks Colin for your reply! > > Colin Guthrie [2015-09-16 11:30 +0100]: > > > Normally, you have a major version and a minor version. If the major > > > version changes, it is an alarm to do throught testing to see if > > > every

Re: [systemd-devel] How to turn off some network interface?

2015-09-16 Thread Manuel Reimer
Hello, no, the IP is fixed. I want to bring the interface down to reduce power usage. This machine has some special job where the LAN interface is only needed for about one minute a day. The idea is to enable the interface, start the software which does some network interaction and after th

Re: [systemd-devel] What I think is really wrong with systemd

2015-09-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Michał Zegan [2015-09-16 14:41 +0200]: > I actually believe that debian does some splitting, for example pam-systemd > module is in a separate package. Actually I feel that particular case is > wrong, but it happens there. I mean debian jessie, of course. FYI, this is required for supporting Multi

Re: [systemd-devel] What I think is really wrong with systemd

2015-09-16 Thread Michał Zegan
I actually believe that debian does some splitting, for example pam-systemd module is in a separate package. Actually I feel that particular case is wrong, but it happens there. I mean debian jessie, of course. W dniu 16.09.2015 o 12:30, Colin Guthrie pisze: I wouldn't normally grace such ran

Re: [systemd-devel] What I think is really wrong with systemd

2015-09-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Thanks Colin for your reply! Colin Guthrie [2015-09-16 11:30 +0100]: > > Normally, you have a major version and a minor version. If the major > > version changes, it is an alarm to do throught testing to see if > > everything works wellon the new one. Minor changes are minor, so they > > require l

Re: [systemd-devel] What I think is really wrong with systemd

2015-09-16 Thread Colin Guthrie
I wouldn't normally grace such rants with a reply, but I'll try and keep this one short. dott...@gmail.com wrote on 16/09/15 08:47: > Hi, sorry for another rant, but I'm a software developer and a user of > a Linux-based operating system here. > > I read the post about at 0pointer.de about "myths

[systemd-devel] What I think is really wrong with systemd

2015-09-16 Thread dott...@gmail.com
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, sorry for another rant, but I'm a software developer and a user of a Linux-based operating system here. I read the post about at 0pointer.de about "myths about systemd". [1] I want to address the issue of it being monolithic. More specifically,