Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd Questions
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 8:34 AM, Reindl Haraldwrote: > > Am 14.08.2016 um 14:29 schrieb Tom Browder: > > 3. If Debian 8 is running systemd for a service, why do I need an >> entry for a service in init.d? >> > > you don't If I'm not mistaken, systemd is still referenced in /etc/init.d in Debian in some way, because systemd is still de facto transitional: and thus continues to maintain backward compatibility with SysVinit. So many people will probably not understand why systemd continues to be linked to various parts of the old SysVinit system -- when it is supposed to be outright replacing it. Point is: it takes time to properly and safely transition core infrastructure. ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd Questions
Am 14.08.2016 um 15:20 schrieb Tom Browder: On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Reindl Haraldwrote: to be honest: did you read *any* documentation or anything about systemd before your post besides "it exists"? Yes I did, a tutorial and man systemd. Have you ever looked at the man page from the view point of a newbie? surely, in 2011 as i had to convert the whole infrastructure to systemd with Fedora 15 or so i was a newbie too, finally there where way more native systemd-units in /et/systemd/system/ than Fedora itself shipped for years There are no examples. There is no clear explanation of COMMAND from a user stand point (command line operation), etc. To be fair, I find most man pages are lacking in real example of usage. surely "man systemctl" - well, you need to know that command but it's a liltle bit unfair to criticize that because the knowledge how to start/stop services with sysvinit did also not fall from heacen And the fact that Debian magically uses systemd even with an init.d service file is misleading until you look closely at the script. thats the compatibility layer of systemd where a generator creates a on-the-fly unit at boot - that prevents you from dealing with 2 different ways of stop/start services where you would need to look which type it is I did go to the systemd home page and got a bit farther, but it still looks like a painful dig from here (I need a "Systemd for Dummies!") if you would have spent 10 seconds you have found dozens https://www.google.com/search?q=systemd+for+newbies https://www.linux.com/learn/managing-services-linux-systemd http://www.catchlinux.com/what-is-systemd-for-noobs/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd Questions
On Sunday, August 14, 2016, Mantas Mikulėnaswrote: ... Thank you for all the info, Mantas--very helpful! Best regards, -Tom ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd Questions
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Tom Browderwrote: > I am trying to get comfortable with systemd on Debian 8 but am very > confused by the complex documentation. > > I am a simple man with a simple need to be able to modiify startup > scripts for several packages I build from source which currently are: > > + apache (httpd) > + postgresql > + bind9 > > I'm not sure of a few things under systemd: > > 1. What exactly is the command to start or stop a service (consider > the three above)? > With native systemd .services, it's taken from the unit's ExecStart= and ExecStop= (the default for the latter is SIGTERM). SysV-compat services (see below) just run "/etc/init.d/httpd start", so everything works as before. In either case, `systemctl status …` shows the command that was used. 2. Where exactly do I modify starting, status, and stopping parameters > for a service? > With native systemd .services, either use `systemctl edit [--full]`, or manually copy the .service file to /etc/systemd/system and edit it there (use `systemctl daemon-reload` afterwards). With SysV-compat services, either edit the old initscript in /etc/init.d/ (as before), or write a native .service from scratch. > 3. If Debian 8 is running systemd for a service, why do I need an > entry for a service in init.d? > You don't – it's just that many Debian packages haven't been ported to systemd yet, therefore systemd still uses the "SysV compatibility" mode for them (which generates dummy .services with "/etc/init.d/whatever start"). > 4. Do I have to use systemd for a service? If not, how do I do that? > You should. The SysV compat mode had to sacrifice some basic functionality (like knowing whether the daemon is still running...) in order to still work with all the weird init.d scripts out there. If nothing else, writing a native .service might be useful both to learn systemd and to avoid the several layers of indirection. -- Mantas Mikulėnas ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd Questions
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Mantas Mikulėnaswrote: > On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Tom Browder > wrote: > >> I am trying to get comfortable with systemd on Debian 8 but am very >> confused by the complex documentation. >> >> I am a simple man with a simple need to be able to modiify startup >> scripts for several packages I build from source which currently are: >> >> + apache (httpd) >> + postgresql >> + bind9 >> >> I'm not sure of a few things under systemd: >> >> 1. What exactly is the command to start or stop a service (consider >> the three above)? >> > > With native systemd .services, it's taken from the unit's ExecStart= and > ExecStop= (the default for the latter is SIGTERM). > > SysV-compat services (see below) just run "/etc/init.d/httpd start", so > everything works as before. > > In either case, `systemctl status …` shows the command that was used. > The above was thinking you were asking about what command systemd *itself* uses to run the daemon... The user-facing commands are `systemctl start httpd` or `service httpd start` (both should do the same thing). -- Mantas Mikulėnas ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] unknown problem with systemd
But how to check what is happening? and I am still not sure why my normal laptop with systemd works properly and starts journald. W dniu 14.08.2016 o 06:56, Andrei Borzenkov pisze: > 14.08.2016 04:58, Michał Zegan пишет: >> Hello. I have installed systemd version 231 from arch repos. actually it >> is systemd-selinux from aur. now, the problem: >> the system boots. but some services fail to start, notably >> systemd-journald and systemd-networkd, not sure if others fail too. >> When checking what happened using dmesg as journald does not work, I get >> that the control process received signal 31, marked sigsys. no explanation. >> I have normal systemd 231 on my laptop, and it works with journal and >> all. In addition, running processes normally on this pc where it does >> not work does not kill them with signal sigsys. > > SIGSYS is used by seccomp to kill process with SECCOMP_RET_KILL. So it > looks like some too restrictive filters are in effect. > >> Does anyone know or suspect what may be the cause? My kernel has a >> heavily modified configuration, and I just upgraded from 4.6 to 4.7 and >> configured using make oldconfig. >> >> >> >> ___ >> systemd-devel mailing list >> systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org >> https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel >> > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
[systemd-devel] Systemd Questions
I am trying to get comfortable with systemd on Debian 8 but am very confused by the complex documentation. I am a simple man with a simple need to be able to modiify startup scripts for several packages I build from source which currently are: + apache (httpd) + postgresql + bind9 I'm not sure of a few things under systemd: 1. What exactly is the command to start or stop a service (consider the three above)? 2. Where exactly do I modify starting, status, and stopping parameters for a service? 3. If Debian 8 is running systemd for a service, why do I need an entry for a service in init.d? 4. Do I have to use systemd for a service? If not, how do I do that? Thanks. Best regards, -Tom ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] Systemd Questions
Am 14.08.2016 um 14:29 schrieb Tom Browder: I am trying to get comfortable with systemd on Debian 8 but am very confused by the complex documentation. I am a simple man with a simple need to be able to modiify startup scripts for several packages I build from source which currently are: + apache (httpd) + postgresql + bind9 I'm not sure of a few things under systemd: 1. What exactly is the command to start or stop a service (consider the three above)? systemctl start servicename systemctl stop servicename 2. Where exactly do I modify starting, status, and stopping parameters for a service? /etc/systemd/system/ 3. If Debian 8 is running systemd for a service, why do I need an entry for a service in init.d? you don't 4. Do I have to use systemd for a service? If not, how do I do that? to be honest: did you read *any* documentation or anything about systemd before your post besides "it exists"? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel