[systemd-devel] Creating executable device nodes in /dev?

2020-11-19 Thread Andy Lutomirski
Hi udev people- The upcoming Linux SGX driver has a device node /dev/sgx. User code opens it, does various setup things, mmaps it, and needs to be able to create PROT_EXEC mappings. This gets quite awkward if /dev is mounted noexec. Can udev arrange to make a device node executable on distros t

Re: [systemd-devel] Creating executable device nodes in /dev?

2020-12-08 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 10:05 AM Topi Miettinen wrote: > > On 19.11.2020 18.32, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 08:17:08AM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > >> Hi udev people- > >> > >> The upcoming Linux SGX driver has a device

Re: [systemd-devel] Creating executable device nodes in /dev?

2020-12-08 Thread Andy Lutomirski
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Topi Miettinen wrote: > > On 8.12.2020 20.07, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 10:05 AM Topi Miettinen wrote: >>> >>> On 19.11.2020 18.32, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >>>> On Thu, Nov 19,

Re: [systemd-devel] Creating executable device nodes in /dev?

2020-12-09 Thread Andy Lutomirski
> On Dec 9, 2020, at 12:58 AM, Topi Miettinen wrote: > > On 9.12.2020 2.42, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote: >>> On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 02:15:28AM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote: >>> On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 01:15:27AM +0200, Topi Miettinen wrote: >>> As a further argument, I just did this on a Fedora

Re: [systemd-devel] Creating executable device nodes in /dev?

2020-12-09 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:22 AM Topi Miettinen wrote: > > On 9.12.2020 17.14, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > > > Maybe also malware which can escape all means of detection, enforced by > the CPU? Though I don't know if any malware scanners for Linux work can > check for fil

[systemd-devel] Add ambient capability support to execution environment config?

2015-10-08 Thread Andy Lutomirski
For non-root services, getting Capabilities= and CapabilityBoundingSet= to do anything useful is rather tricky. Would it make sense to add AmbientCapabilities= to set ambient (and, implicitly, inheritable) capabilities, which will be available in Linux 4.3? Alternatively, there could be a boolean

Re: [systemd-devel] kdbus refactoring?

2015-11-09 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Greg KH wrote: > On Sun, Nov 08, 2015 at 10:39:43PM +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Greg KH wrote: >> > On Sun, Nov 08, 2015 at 10:06:31PM +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> after reading on the removal o

Re: [systemd-devel] kdbus refactoring?

2015-11-09 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Greg KH wrote: > On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 05:02:45PM +, Måns Rullgård wrote: >> Andy Lutomirski writes: >> >> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Greg KH wrote: >> >> On Sun, Nov 08, 2015 at 10:39:43PM +0100, Richard Weinberg

[systemd-devel] systemd-vconsole-setup fails very slowly

2015-01-21 Thread Andy Lutomirski
Hi all- When running virtme (a simple vm gadget) on Fedora 21, the slowest part of bootup by far appears to be systemd-vconsole-setup: # time /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-vconsole-setup putfont: PIO_FONT trying ... ... setfont: putfont: 512,8x16: failed: -1 putfont: PIO_FONT: Invalid

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-vconsole-setup fails very slowly

2015-01-22 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 21.01.15 19:15, Andy Lutomirski (l...@amacapital.net) wrote: > >> Hi all- >> >> When running virtme (a simple vm gadget) on Fedora 21, the slowest >> part of bootup by far appears to be systemd-vco

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-vconsole-setup fails very slowly

2015-04-01 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: >> On Wed, 21.01.15 19:15, Andy Lutomirski (l...@amacapital.net) wrote: >> >>> Hi all- >>> >>> When running virtme (a simple vm

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-vconsole-setup fails very slowly

2015-04-01 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Kay Sievers wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Lennart Poettering >>> wrote: >>>> On

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-vconsole-setup fails very slowly

2015-04-01 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Apr 1, 2015 12:56 PM, "Kay Sievers" wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:36 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Kay Sievers wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Andy Lutomirski > >> wrote: > >>&

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-vconsole-setup fails very slowly

2015-04-01 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Kay Sievers wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> On Apr 1, 2015 12:56 PM, "Kay Sievers" wrote: > >>> Do you have an idea why the VM does not accept the custom font? If >>> that is something

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-vconsole-setup fails very slowly

2015-04-01 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Kay Sievers wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:19 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Kay Sievers wrote: >>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Andy Lutomirski >>> wrote: >>>> On Apr 1, 2015 12:56

Re: [systemd-devel] systemd-vconsole-setup fails very slowly

2015-04-01 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Kay Sievers wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Kay Sievers wrote: > >>> They should only get created when something accesses the corresponding >>> tty. deallocvt(1

[systemd-devel] SD_BUS_VTABLE_CAPABILITY

2015-04-15 Thread Andy Lutomirski
Hi all- Yesterday, I discovered SD_BUS_VTABLE_CAPABILITY. Are there any examples in which it does anything? If so, I don't suppose any of you could give me an example of: $ cp `which dbus-send` . $ sudo setcap all=eip dbus-send $ dbus-send [not sure what goes here] that passes an authenticatio

Re: [systemd-devel] SD_BUS_VTABLE_CAPABILITY

2015-04-16 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 3:23 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Hi Andy, > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 2:55 AM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> Yesterday, I discovered SD_BUS_VTABLE_CAPABILITY. Are there any >> examples in which it does anything? > > Please note that you need t

Re: [systemd-devel] SD_BUS_VTABLE_CAPABILITY

2015-04-16 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Thu, 16.04.15 07:52, Andy Lutomirski (l...@amacapital.net) wrote: > >> I'm looking at sd_bus_query_sender_privilege, which does: >> >> r = sd_bus_query_sender_creds(call, >>

Re: [systemd-devel] SD_BUS_VTABLE_CAPABILITY

2015-04-16 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> Unshare your user namespace, set things up right, and systemd >> or any other server will see you as having all capabilities. You've >> fixed that in k

Re: [systemd-devel] SD_BUS_VTABLE_CAPABILITY

2015-04-16 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >>> We have several uses of this, see my mail to Jiri regarding >>> CAP_SYS_BOOT for instance: >>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/4/16/219 >> >

Re: [systemd-devel] SD_BUS_VTABLE_CAPABILITY

2015-04-16 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Thu, 16.04.15 09:53, Andy Lutomirski (l...@amacapital.net) wrote: > >> > It's a noop, unless people OR in SD_BUS_CREDS_AUGMENT into the flags >> > of creds they want. Doing this basically voids your war

Re: [systemd-devel] SD_BUS_VTABLE_CAPABILITY

2015-04-16 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Thu, 16.04.15 10:52, Andy Lutomirski (l...@amacapital.net) wrote: > >> > >> > It would be very helpful if you could go into details on why you think >> > more care is needed here than for other t

Re: [systemd-devel] SD_BUS_VTABLE_CAPABILITY

2015-04-17 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Apr 17, 2015 6:05 AM, "Cristian Rodríguez" wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > > Groups *suck* as authentication scheme. If you add one group for each > > privilege you want, then you'll have a huge number of groups, and > > that's hardly desirable. It's

Re: [systemd-devel] SD_BUS_VTABLE_CAPABILITY

2015-04-17 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Apr 17, 2015 5:42 AM, "Simon McVittie" wrote: > > On 16/04/15 15:52, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > > (I really think this dichotomy > > needs to be removed, *especially* since it looks like code already > > exists to try to use both metadata sources. This s

Re: [systemd-devel] SD_BUS_VTABLE_CAPABILITY

2015-04-17 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Apr 17, 2015 4:53 AM, "Djalal Harouni" wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 12:30:28PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Lennart Poettering > > wrote: > [...] > > AFAICT this piece of kdbus code ser

Re: [systemd-devel] SD_BUS_VTABLE_CAPABILITY

2015-04-20 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Apr 20, 2015 7:57 AM, "Lennart Poettering" wrote: > > On Fri, 17.04.15 09:14, Andy Lutomirski (l...@amacapital.net) wrote: > > > My point here is that there's no real shortage of downsides to this > > scheme, and there still appears to be little to no benef

Re: [systemd-devel] SD_BUS_VTABLE_CAPABILITY

2015-04-20 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Apr 20, 2015 8:22 AM, "Lennart Poettering" wrote: > > On Mon, 20.04.15 08:08, Andy Lutomirski (l...@amacapital.net) wrote: > > > On Apr 20, 2015 7:57 AM, "Lennart Poettering" > > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 17.04.15 09:14, Andy Lut

Re: [systemd-devel] SD_BUS_VTABLE_CAPABILITY

2015-04-20 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Apr 20, 2015 9:07 AM, "Lennart Poettering" wrote: > > On Mon, 20.04.15 08:51, Andy Lutomirski (l...@amacapital.net) wrote: > > > > > > I will grant you that they aren't particularly expressive, and I will > > > > > grant you that

[systemd-devel] Writing a udev rule for U2F security tokens?

2014-10-27 Thread Andy Lutomirski
Hi- I'd like to write a generic udev rule for U2F security tokens and to possibly get it integrated into systemd / udev, but I'm not sure how to write it in the first place. U2F tokens are USB HID devices that have a usage page 0xF1D0 that contains usage 0x01. The rule should match any hidraw de

Re: [systemd-devel] Writing a udev rule for U2F security tokens?

2014-10-27 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Greg KH wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 04:12:30PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> Hi- >> >> I'd like to write a generic udev rule for U2F security tokens and to >> possibly get it integrated into systemd / udev, but I'm not

Re: [systemd-devel] Writing a udev rule for U2F security tokens?

2014-10-28 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:40 AM, Greg KH wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 04:37:14PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Greg KH wrote: >> > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 04:12:30PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> >> Hi- >> >> &

[systemd-devel] [PATCH] udev: Add hidraw_id and a rule file to invoke it

2014-10-28 Thread Andy Lutomirski
So far, hidraw_id detects U2F tokens and sets: ID_U2F_TOKEN=1 ID_SECURITY_TOKEN=1 This causes the uaccess rules to apply to U2F devices. --- I've never written any udev code before. Feedback welcome. If you think this doesn't belong in udev, I can try to find it another home. .gitignore

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] udev: Add hidraw_id and a rule file to invoke it

2014-10-29 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > So far, hidraw_id detects U2F tokens and sets: > ID_U2F_TOKEN=1 > ID_SECURITY_TOKEN=1 > > This causes the uaccess rules to apply to U2F devices. This works for the Plug-up security key, too. --Andy > --- > > I&#

[systemd-devel] Supporting U2F over HID on Linux?

2014-11-02 Thread Andy Lutomirski
I want to get U2F (universal second factor, sometimes called "security key" or even "gnubby") working on Linux. U2F tokens are HID devices that speak a custom protocol. The intent is that user code will speak to then using something like HIDAPI. The trick is that, for HIDAPI to work, something n

Re: [systemd-devel] Supporting U2F over HID on Linux?

2014-11-02 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Jiri Kosina wrote: > On Sun, 2 Nov 2014, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > >> I want to get U2F (universal second factor, sometimes called "security >> key" or even "gnubby") working on Linux. U2F tokens are HID devices >> that

Re: [systemd-devel] Supporting U2F over HID on Linux?

2014-11-02 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Hi Andy, > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> I want to get U2F (universal second factor, sometimes called "security >> key" or even "gnubby") working on Linux. U2F toke

Re: [systemd-devel] Supporting U2F over HID on Linux?

2014-11-02 Thread Andy Lutomirski
ow up? What is user code supposed to match to detect a U2F device or to otherwise set permissions? --Andy > > Also, if we want to further extend the kernel API for U2F, the group > will already be in place. > > Cheers, > Benjamin -- Andy Lutomirski AMA Capital Management, L

Re: [systemd-devel] Supporting U2F over HID on Linux?

2014-11-02 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Benjamin Tissoires wrote: > On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Benjamin Tissoires >> wrote: >>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Jiri Kosina wrote: >>>> O

Re: [systemd-devel] Supporting U2F over HID on Linux?

2014-11-02 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Benjamin Tissoires wrote: > On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Benjamin Tissoires >> wrote: >>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >>>> On Sun, Nov 2,

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] udev: Add hidraw_id and a rule file to invoke it

2014-11-03 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 5:32 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Hi Andy, > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> So far, hidraw_id detects U2F tokens and sets: >> ID_U2F_TOKEN=1 >> ID_SECURITY_TOKEN=1 >> >> This causes the uaccess rules to

Re: [systemd-devel] Supporting U2F over HID on Linux?

2014-11-03 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 11:03 AM, David Herrmann wrote: > Hi > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> I want to get U2F (universal second factor, sometimes called "security >> key" or even "gnubby") working on Linux. U2F tokens are HI

Re: [systemd-devel] Supporting U2F over HID on Linux?

2014-11-03 Thread Andy Lutomirski
lly if you need the >> raw_event callback). > > Same here, of course. > > Please always CC me in parallel to sending to linux-input@ to make sure > that the patch doesn't fall in between cracks. > > Thanks, > > -- > Jiri Kosina > SUSE Labs -- Andy Lutomirski AMA Capital Management, LLC ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel

[systemd-devel] [RFC PATCH] proc, pidns: Add highpid

2014-11-28 Thread Andy Lutomirski
ser. NB: The sysctl stuff only works on 64-bit systems. If the approach looks good, I'll fix that somehow. Signed-off-by: Andy Lutomirski --- If this goes in, there's plenty of room to add new interfaces to make this more useful. For example, we could add a fancier tgkill that adds and

Re: [systemd-devel] [RFC PATCH] proc, pidns: Add highpid

2014-11-28 Thread Andy Lutomirski
[Adding CRIU people. Whoops.] On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > Pid reuse is common, which means that it's difficult or impossible > to read information about a pid from /proc without races. > > This introduces a second number associated with each (ta

Re: [systemd-devel] [RFC PATCH] proc, pidns: Add highpid

2014-11-29 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Nov 28, 2014 9:24 PM, "Greg KH" wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 03:05:01PM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > > Pid reuse is common, which means that it's difficult or impossible > > to read information about a pid from /proc without races. > > > &g

Re: [systemd-devel] [RFC PATCH] proc, pidns: Add highpid

2014-11-29 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > Andy Lutomirski writes: > >> Pid reuse is common, which means that it's difficult or impossible >> to read information about a pid from /proc without races. > > Sigh. > > What we need are not race fre

Re: [systemd-devel] [RFC PATCH] proc, pidns: Add highpid

2014-11-30 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Nov 30, 2014 9:45 AM, "David Herrmann" wrote: > > Hi Andy > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > > Pid reuse is common, which means that it's difficult or impossible > > to read information about a pid from /proc without races.

Re: [systemd-devel] [RFC PATCH] proc, pidns: Add highpid

2014-11-30 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Nov 30, 2014 1:47 AM, "Florian Weimer" wrote: > > * Andy Lutomirski: > > > The initial implementation is straightforward: highpid is simply a > > 64-bit counter. If a high-end system can fork every 3 ns (which > > would be amazing, given that just al

Re: [systemd-devel] [RFC PATCH] proc, pidns: Add highpid

2014-12-01 Thread Andy Lutomirski
e range 2^32 through 2^64 - 4096. The former prevents anyone from confusing highpid with regular pid, and the latter means that we don't need to worry about confusion between errors and valid highpids (e.g. -1 will never be a highpid). Implementing that will be only mildly annoying. --Andy

Re: [systemd-devel] [RFC PATCH] proc, pidns: Add highpid

2014-12-01 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Konstantin Khlebnikov wrote: > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Konstantin Khlebnikov >> wrote: >>> Hmm. What about per-task/thread UUID? exported via separate file: >>&g

Re: [systemd-devel] Supporting U2F over HID on Linux?

2014-12-09 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Jiri Kosina wrote: >> On Mon, 3 Nov 2014, David Herrmann wrote: >> >>> > Agreed, mostly. My only real concern is that this could be annoying >>> > for the users

Re: [systemd-devel] Supporting U2F over HID on Linux?

2014-12-10 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Jiri Kosina wrote: >>> On Mon, 3 Nov 2014, David Herrmann wrote: >>> >>>> > Agreed, mostly. My only r

[systemd-devel] Slow firmware timeouts again (Re: [3.11 regression?] iwlwifi firmware takes two minutes to load)

2013-08-02 Thread Andy Lutomirski
[cc: linux-kernel, linux-hotplug, and systemd-devel. This is 3.11-rc3+] On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Johannes Berg wrote: > On Thu, 2013-08-01 at 21:38 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> At boot, I get: >> [ 12.537108] iwlwifi :03:00.0: irq 51 for MSI/MSI-X >>

Re: [systemd-devel] Slow firmware timeouts again (Re: [3.11 regression?] iwlwifi firmware takes two minutes to load)

2013-08-02 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Johannes Berg wrote: > On Fri, 2013-08-02 at 09:04 -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: > >> > It wasn't exactly fixed and it's really more of a userspace problem - we >> > probably request firmware version 8, and then it takes 30 se

Re: [systemd-devel] Slow firmware timeouts again (Re: [3.11 regression?] iwlwifi firmware takes two minutes to load)

2013-08-05 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Kay Sievers wrote: > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 02, 2013 at 09:04:44AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >>> CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER=y >> Do you need this? Unsetting this should

[systemd-devel] [PATCH] Change CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER to default n and don't select it

2013-08-05 Thread Andy Lutomirski
The systemd commit below can delay firmware loading by multiple minutes if CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER=y. Unfortunately no one noticed that the systemd-udev change would break new kernels as well as old kernels. Since the kernel apparently can't count on reasonable userspace support, turn this t

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Change CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER to default n and don't select it

2013-08-06 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 2:17 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Maarten Lankhorst >> wrote: >>> Op 05-08-13 18:29, Andy Lutomirski schreef: >>>> The systemd commit below ca

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Change CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER to default n and don't select it

2013-08-06 Thread Andy Lutomirski
n Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Maarten Lankhorst >> > > wrote: >> > >> Op 05-08-13 18:29, Andy Lutomirski schreef: >> > >>> The systemd commit below can delay firmware loading by multiple >> > >>> minutes if CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER=y. Un

Re: [systemd-devel] [PATCH] udev: fail firmware loading immediately if no search path is defined

2013-08-07 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Maarten Lankhorst wrote: > Op 07-08-13 02:26, Andy Lutomirski schreef: >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: >>> On 6 Aug 2013 18:32, "Bryan Kadzban" wrote: >>>> On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 11:17:17AM +0200,

Re: [systemd-devel] [HEADSUP] cgroup changes

2013-06-24 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On 06/21/2013 10:36 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: 2) This hierarchy becomes private property of systemd. systemd will set it up. Systemd will maintain it. Systemd will rearrange it. Other software that wants to make use of cgroups can do so only through systemd's APIs. This single-writer logic i

Re: [systemd-devel] [HEADSUP] cgroup changes

2013-06-24 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:27 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Sat, 22.06.13 15:19, Andy Lutomirski (l...@amacapital.net) wrote: >> >> 2. I manage services and tasks outside systemd (for one thing, I >> currently use Ubuntu, but even if I were on Fedora, I have a bunch >

Re: [systemd-devel] [HEADSUP] cgroup changes

2013-06-24 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Tejun Heo wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 03:27:15PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: >> On Sat, 22.06.13 15:19, Andy Lutomirski (l...@amacapital.net) wrote: >> >> > 1. I put all the entire world into a separate, highl

Re: [systemd-devel] [HEADSUP] cgroup changes

2013-06-24 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Tejun Heo wrote: > Hello, Andy. > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:49:05AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> > I have an idea where it should be headed in the long term but am not >> > sure about short-term solution. Given that the only sor

Re: [systemd-devel] [HEADSUP] cgroup changes

2013-06-24 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Tejun Heo wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:24:38PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> Because more things are becoming per cpu without the option of moving >> of per-cpu things on behalf of one cpu to another cpu. RCU is a nice

Re: [systemd-devel] [HEADSUP] cgroup changes

2013-06-24 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Tejun Heo wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 04:01:07PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> So what is cgroup for? That is, what's the goal for what the new API >> should be able to do? > > It is a for controlling and di

Re: [systemd-devel] [HEADSUP] cgroup changes

2013-06-24 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Tejun Heo wrote: > Hello, Andy. > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 04:27:17PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> I guess what I'm trying to say here is that many systems will rather >> fundamentally use systemd. Admins of those systems should

Re: [systemd-devel] [HEADSUP] cgroup changes

2013-06-24 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Tejun Heo wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote: >> Now I'm confused. I thought that support for multiple hierarchies was >> going away. Is it here to stay after all? > > It is going to be dep

Re: [systemd-devel] [HEADSUP] cgroup changes

2013-06-24 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 24.06.13 16:01, Andy Lutomirski (l...@amacapital.net) wrote: > >> AFAICT the main reason that systemd uses cgroup is to efficiently >> track which service various processes came from and to send signals, &g

Re: [systemd-devel] [HEADSUP] cgroup changes

2013-06-25 Thread Andy Lutomirski
On Jun 25, 2013 2:43 AM, "Lennart Poettering" wrote: > > On Mon, 24.06.13 17:09, Andy Lutomirski (l...@amacapital.net) wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Lennart Poettering > > wrote: > > > On Mon, 24.06.13 16:01, Andy Lutomirski (l