On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 06:44:25PM +0200, Michael Olbrich wrote:
This is not about the files from systemd. It's about the dependencies.
Every user of a source based distro, that only wants systemd now has to
first install dbus then udev, and then remove dbus again.
Shouldn't the build system
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 09:38:22AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 06:44:25PM +0200, Michael Olbrich wrote:
This is not about the files from systemd. It's about the dependencies.
Every user of a source based distro, that only wants systemd now has to
first install dbus
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 01:46:40PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 01:32:52PM +0200, Michael Olbrich wrote:
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 09:38:22AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 06:44:25PM +0200, Michael Olbrich wrote:
This is not about the files from
2012/6/19 Kay Sievers k...@vrfy.org
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Michael Olbrich
m.olbr...@pengutronix.de wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:21:58AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Fri, 15.06.12 20:06, Bryan Kadzban (br...@kadzban.is-a-geek.net)
wrote:
dbus
libcap
I am
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 02:34:52PM +0200, Michael Olbrich wrote:
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 01:46:40PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 01:32:52PM +0200, Michael Olbrich wrote:
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 09:38:22AM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote:
Shouldn't the build system do this
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 09:40:39PM +0200, Robert Schwebel wrote:
Currently, the workflow would be like this:
1) build other components
2a) build prerequisites necessary for systemd, which are otherwhise
unneeded; this needs to be installed into the local sysroot in
order to let
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 01:46:41PM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
You could easily build dbus-for-systemd inside the systemd buildroot,
and never install dbus to the sysroot, but in a temporary location.
After building the local dbus, system and udev, you just make install
in only the udev
On Thu, 14.06.12 21:32, William Hubbs (w.d.hu...@gmail.com) wrote:
Yes, we could, but what about exherbo, funtoo, linux from scratch and
the other source based distros that may be out there?
I fail to see what this has to do with source-based distros. They can
just build systemd as normal
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:21:58AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Fri, 15.06.12 20:06, Bryan Kadzban (br...@kadzban.is-a-geek.net) wrote:
dbus
libcap
I am quite happy with depending on these two as it makes little sense to
build an OS without it, unless you go super minimal in which
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Michael Olbrich
m.olbr...@pengutronix.de wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:21:58AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Fri, 15.06.12 20:06, Bryan Kadzban (br...@kadzban.is-a-geek.net) wrote:
dbus
libcap
I am quite happy with depending on these two as it
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 01:59:14PM +0200, Kay Sievers wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Michael Olbrich
m.olbr...@pengutronix.de wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:21:58AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Fri, 15.06.12 20:06, Bryan Kadzban (br...@kadzban.is-a-geek.net) wrote:
dbus
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:13:50AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Thu, 14.06.12 21:32, William Hubbs (w.d.hu...@gmail.com) wrote:
Yes, we could, but what about exherbo, funtoo, linux from scratch and
the other source based distros that may be out there?
I fail to see what this has
On Tue, 19.06.12 18:44, Michael Olbrich (m.olbr...@pengutronix.de) wrote:
Yes, we could, but what about exherbo, funtoo, linux from scratch and
the other source based distros that may be out there?
I fail to see what this has to do with source-based distros. They can
just build
On 06/19/2012 08:00 PM, Jürgen Daubert wrote:
Kay Sievers kay at vrfy.org writes:
[...]
We said udev *runs* alone, not that you can tweak the build system to
only build it. And that is still all true.
Sorry, but in your first announcement [1] this sounds quite different
to me. At all I got
Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Fri, 15.06.12 20:06, Bryan Kadzban (br...@kadzban.is-a-geek.net) wrote:
dbus
libcap
I am quite happy with depending on these two as it makes little sense to
build an OS without it, unless you go super minimal in which case
sysemd/udev are not relevant.
As I
Hello Auke,
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 04:26:36AM +, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:32 AM, William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Auke,
I will answer your concerns as best as I can below.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 03:35:09PM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
1)
2012/6/15 William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com
Hello Auke,
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 04:26:36AM +, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:32 AM, William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello Auke,
I will answer your concerns as best as I can below.
On Thu, Jun 14,
2012/6/15 William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 07:27:26PM +0800, microcai wrote:
2012/6/15 William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com
systemd has several more dependencies than udev. Because of that and
because of the way the build system is setup to only do a full systemd
microcai wrote:
2012/6/15 William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 07:27:26PM +0800, microcai wrote:
2012/6/15 William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com
systemd has several more dependencies than udev. Because of
that and because of the way the build system is setup to only
do a
Hi William,
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM, William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com wrote:
All,
on source-based distros like gentoo or lfs, and on distros that do not
Don't you have the ability to split the built package in gentoo?
Lucas De Marchi
___
Hi Lucas,
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:48:50AM -0300, Lucas De Marchi wrote:
Hi William,
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM, William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com wrote:
All,
on source-based distros like gentoo or lfs, and on distros that do not
Don't you have the ability to split the built
Hello Lucas,
On 14.06.2012 15:48, Lucas De Marchi wrote:
on source-based distros like gentoo or lfs, and on distros that do not
Don't you have the ability to split the built package in gentoo?
I can confirm and emphasize what William already wrote - for us
source-based distros (Exherbo in my
Op 14 jun. 2012, om 10:38 heeft Wulf C. Krueger het volgende geschreven:
Hello Lucas,
On 14.06.2012 15:48, Lucas De Marchi wrote:
on source-based distros like gentoo or lfs, and on distros that do not
Don't you have the ability to split the built package in gentoo?
I can confirm and
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Wulf C. Krueger philant...@exherbo.org wrote:
On 14.06.2012 15:48, Lucas De Marchi wrote:
on source-based distros like gentoo or lfs, and on distros that do not
Don't you have the ability to split the built package in gentoo?
I can confirm and emphasize what
Am Donnerstag, 14. Juni 2012, 13:40:57 schrieb Koen Kooi:
Op 14 jun. 2012, om 10:38 heeft Wulf C. Krueger het volgende geschreven:
I can confirm and emphasize what William already wrote - for us
source-based distros
I just have to ask: what are non-source based distros based on? Pixie
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Malte Starostik li...@malte.homeip.net wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 14. Juni 2012, 13:40:57 schrieb Koen Kooi:
Op 14 jun. 2012, om 10:38 heeft Wulf C. Krueger het volgende geschreven:
I can confirm and emphasize what William already wrote - for us
source-based
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:54:36AM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
3. Don't provide split udev/systemd packages and stay on udev-182 (or
whatever the version was before the split).
Now, I've been involved with a source-based distro myself for almost 12
years, and, at one point you just have to
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:40 PM, William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:54:36AM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
3. Don't provide split udev/systemd packages and stay on udev-182 (or
whatever the version was before the split).
Now, I've been involved with a
Hello Auke,
On 14.06.2012 23:05, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
or pick mdev
Let me quote someone about mdev:
Haha, mdev, yeah right.
Have fun with that...
greg k-h
(Source: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/73627)
Nothing prevents you from staying on udev-182 for a few
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Wulf C. Krueger philant...@exherbo.org wrote:
Hello Auke,
On 14.06.2012 23:05, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
or pick mdev
Let me quote someone about mdev:
Haha, mdev, yeah right.
Have fun with that...
greg k-h
(Source:
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 02:05:01PM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:40 PM, William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com wrote:
That is exactly my point. There are people in these distros who see
systemd as a kitchen sink they don't want. However, udev is more like
coreutils,
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 02:38:08PM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Wulf C. Krueger philant...@exherbo.org
wrote:
Hello Auke,
On 14.06.2012 23:05, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
or pick mdev
Let me quote someone about mdev:
Haha, mdev, yeah right.
Hello Auke,
I will answer your concerns as best as I can below.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 03:35:09PM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
1) Timing. systemd+udevd just got merged. We had a huge build system
change. Let's not change it drastically again entirely now.
From the point of view of a source
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:32 AM, William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Auke,
I will answer your concerns as best as I can below.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 03:35:09PM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
1) Timing. systemd+udevd just got merged. We had a huge build system
change. Let's not
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Kok, Auke-jan H
auke-jan.h@intel.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:32 AM, William Hubbs w.d.hu...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Auke,
I will answer your concerns as best as I can below.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 03:35:09PM -0700, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
1)
Hello Auke,
On 15.06.2012 06:26, Kok, Auke-jan H wrote:
This is a design problem in ALL source based distro's (including the one
I worked on for years) and can't be fixed by upstream. Source distro's
should really work on doing a proper `make DESTDIR= install`
At least Gentoo and Exherbo
All,
on source-based distros like gentoo or lfs, and on distros that do not
use systemd as their init system, we need a way to build systemd and
udev separately from each other so that udev can be built without all of
systemd's build time dependencies.
This series of patches splits up
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