Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
Rahul Sundaram píše v Čt 20. 11. 2014 v 20:20 -0500: Hi On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: Hi, rhel7 / centos7 is shipped with heavily patched systemd 208, which does not contain new interesting features and for us it is a backporting nightmare. I have prepared an experimental repo with newer version of systemd for epel7. I don't mind doing that if the goal here is eventually rebase in RHEL/CentOS. If not, I won't be investing time on it Unfortunately this is not completely up to me. But personally I would like to see it in rhel/centos soon. Lukas Rahul ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/20/2014 04:24 PM, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: Hi, rhel7 / centos7 is shipped with heavily patched systemd 208, which does not contain new interesting features and for us it is a backporting nightmare. I have prepared an experimental repo with newer version of systemd for epel7. Currently it is based on 217 from Fedora rawhide and final goal should be 218. If you are interested, here is a COPR build. Feedback and bug reports are as always highly appreciated. https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/lnykryn/systemd/ Lukas Wont you break your RHEL support if you run this? Is not EPEL applicable to CentOS as well? ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
Hi On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 6:36 AM, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Wont you break your RHEL support if you run this? Is not EPEL applicable to CentOS as well? It is a misconception that installing a package by itself would break any support contracts in the first place and one that has been corrected multiple times. In addition to that, EPEL is applicable to rebuilds of RHEL including but not limited to CentOS and Scientific Linux. It is also easy enough to spin a new instance of RHEL without activating the subscription for the purpose of testing as well. Rahul ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
On 11/20/2014 04:24 PM, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: Hi, rhel7 / centos7 is shipped with heavily patched systemd 208, which does not contain new interesting features and for us it is a backporting nightmare. I have prepared an experimental repo with newer version of systemd for epel7. Currently it is based on 217 from Fedora rawhide and final goal should be 218. If you are interested, here is a COPR build. Feedback and bug reports are as always highly appreciated. https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/lnykryn/systemd/ Lukas Wont you break your RHEL support if you run this? JBG ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
Am 20.11.2014 um 19:10 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 11/20/2014 04:24 PM, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: Hi, rhel7 / centos7 is shipped with heavily patched systemd 208, which does not contain new interesting features and for us it is a backporting nightmare. I have prepared an experimental repo with newer version of systemd for epel7. Currently it is based on 217 from Fedora rawhide and final goal should be 218. If you are interested, here is a COPR build. Feedback and bug reports are as always highly appreciated. https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/lnykryn/systemd/ Lukas Wont you break your RHEL support if you run this? given that the OP has a @redhat.com address i guess the intention is to test and prepare a official RHEL update over the time reading and for us it is a backporting nightmare makes that more than a guess signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
On 11/20/2014 06:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.11.2014 um 19:10 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 11/20/2014 04:24 PM, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: Hi, rhel7 / centos7 is shipped with heavily patched systemd 208, which does not contain new interesting features and for us it is a backporting nightmare. I have prepared an experimental repo with newer version of systemd for epel7. Currently it is based on 217 from Fedora rawhide and final goal should be 218. If you are interested, here is a COPR build. Feedback and bug reports are as always highly appreciated. https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/lnykryn/systemd/ Lukas Wont you break your RHEL support if you run this? given that the OP has a @redhat.com address i guess the intention is to test and prepare a official RHEL update over the time reading and for us it is a backporting nightmare makes that more than a guess That's a given and not what I asked. Red Hat should be supplying it's own QA resources to test it's own and upcoming RHEL product releases instead of be reaching out to the community *to do it for them* and leach of it + he does not mention, if you intend on testing this on RHEL if it breaks your RHEL support contract or not ( which most likely it does ) hence the question. JBG ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
Am 20.11.2014 um 19:22 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 11/20/2014 06:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.11.2014 um 19:10 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 11/20/2014 04:24 PM, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: Hi, rhel7 / centos7 is shipped with heavily patched systemd 208, which does not contain new interesting features and for us it is a backporting nightmare. I have prepared an experimental repo with newer version of systemd for epel7. Currently it is based on 217 from Fedora rawhide and final goal should be 218. If you are interested, here is a COPR build. Feedback and bug reports are as always highly appreciated. https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/lnykryn/systemd/ Lukas Wont you break your RHEL support if you run this? given that the OP has a @redhat.com address i guess the intention is to test and prepare a official RHEL update over the time reading and for us it is a backporting nightmare makes that more than a guess That's a given and not what I asked. but that's very likely true what you asked don't matter since this is a *developer list* and so no place where a RHEL customer with support is expected to jump blindly and try unsupported packages Red Hat should be supplying it's own QA resources to test it's own and upcoming RHEL product releases instead of be reaching out to the community *to do it for them* and leach of it + he does not mention, if you intend on testing this on RHEL if it breaks your RHEL support contract or not ( which most likely it does ) hence the question no idea from where your personal vendetta against Redhat is coming (not only in that response, over years, everywhere) but why don't you just ignore anything containing the company name? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
On 11/20/2014 06:27 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: what you asked don't matter since this is a *developer list* and so no place where a RHEL customer with support is expected to jump blindly and try unsupported packages Right which makes this not the place to ask for this either. ( should be asked in downstream community's surrounding RHEL and it's clones ) Red Hat should be supplying it's own QA resources to test it's own and upcoming RHEL product releases instead of be reaching out to the community *to do it for them* and leach of it + he does not mention, if you intend on testing this on RHEL if it breaks your RHEL support contract or not ( which most likely it does ) hence the question no idea from where your personal vendetta against Redhat is coming (not only in that response, over years, everywhere) but why don't you just ignore anything containing the company name? My personal vendetta against Red Hat spurs from their attitude and repeated misuse of contributors time in projects like Fedora but that's irrelevant here. Encase you somehow missed it, the systemd project has been heavinly criticized for being a Red Hat only project and it's members heavily flamed publicly due to that and it makes no wonder if people get that notion when RHEL employees treat it like internal company project. JBG ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
Am 20.11.2014 um 19:41 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 11/20/2014 06:27 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: what you asked don't matter since this is a *developer list* and so no place where a RHEL customer with support is expected to jump blindly and try unsupported packages Right which makes this not the place to ask for this either. ( should be asked in downstream community's surrounding RHEL and it's clones ) * if downstream is oudated you shout * if downstream tries to change that you shout * if a user from downstream asks something you shout Red Hat should be supplying it's own QA resources to test it's own and upcoming RHEL product releases instead of be reaching out to the community *to do it for them* and leach of it + he does not mention, if you intend on testing this on RHEL if it breaks your RHEL support contract or not ( which most likely it does ) hence the question no idea from where your personal vendetta against Redhat is coming (not only in that response, over years, everywhere) but why don't you just ignore anything containing the company name? My personal vendetta against Red Hat spurs from their attitude and repeated misuse of contributors time in projects like Fedora but that's irrelevant here. your definition of misuse is just broken Encase you somehow missed it, the systemd project has been heavinly criticized for being a Red Hat only project not only - also for be hostile in responses to anybody asking something without provide code - as you do here again and it's members heavily flamed publicly due to that and it makes no wonder if people get that notion when RHEL employees treat it like internal company project by just asking upstream developers to have a look? really? nobody did treat anything! somebody asked and if you don#t care - well - then don't care but at the same context hestitate if downstream does something not in *your* intention later and shout why did they not ask us before XXX signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
On 11/20/2014 06:48 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.11.2014 um 19:41 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 11/20/2014 06:27 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: what you asked don't matter since this is a *developer list* and so no place where a RHEL customer with support is expected to jump blindly and try unsupported packages Right which makes this not the place to ask for this either. ( should be asked in downstream community's surrounding RHEL and it's clones ) * if downstream is oudated you shout * if downstream tries to change that you shout * if a user from downstream asks something you shout You do realize that you are speaking of an *enterprise* distribution which maintains things based on their business model ( which usually does not involve the latest and the greatest from upstream ) and is driven by their customer demands. upstream has no business criticizing or otherwise interfere with their business model. Red Hat should be supplying it's own QA resources to test it's own and upcoming RHEL product releases instead of be reaching out to the community *to do it for them* and leach of it + he does not mention, if you intend on testing this on RHEL if it breaks your RHEL support contract or not ( which most likely it does ) hence the question no idea from where your personal vendetta against Redhat is coming (not only in that response, over years, everywhere) but why don't you just ignore anything containing the company name? My personal vendetta against Red Hat spurs from their attitude and repeated misuse of contributors time in projects like Fedora but that's irrelevant here. your definition of misuse is just broken You mean does not match yours and my vendetta with Red Hat is irrelevant and off topic for this list including your view on it. Encase you somehow missed it, the systemd project has been heavinly criticized for being a Red Hat only project not only - also for be hostile in responses to anybody asking something without provide code - as you do here again I asked Lukáš https://plus.google.com/105356781107927668523 a simple question if running this on your enterprises licensed distribution would not break the support contract with Red Hat and Lukáš https://plus.google.com/105356781107927668523 already has plethora of code in systemd. In addition to that you do realize you as an RHEL tester not being paid by Red Hat or any other enterprise distribution either are spending your own dime paying for an licences or you are misusing your corporate supplied licence when doing so. Personally I think it's illogical that Red Hat customer spending their time and money paying Red Hat to ask them to test and tell them if *their* product works. and it's members heavily flamed publicly due to that and it makes no wonder if people get that notion when RHEL employees treat it like internal company project by just asking upstream developers to have a look? really? Yes really more than you can image JBG ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
Am 20.11.2014 um 20:54 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: Personally I think it's illogical that Red Hat customer spending their time and money paying Red Hat to ask them to test and tell them if *their* product works personally i think it's *the difference* between pure commercial software and based on opensource to have early access and the chance to test and speak *before* it is released *nobody* do force anybody to spend a single second *just ask* if you like you can do so a user/customer don't want to? so what - delete the mail and that's it your problem is that you have a hostile attitude against anybody not doing like you want - that's excatly the same as your well known fedora-devel posts *we* as QA sounding like you are the we alone signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
On 11/20/2014 08:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: your problem is that you have a hostile attitude against anybody not doing like you want No I dont. - that's excatly the same as your well known fedora-devel posts *we* as QA sounding like you are the we alone Aha right like you should be getting yourself blocked on this and other mailinglists. JBG ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
Am 20.11.2014 um 21:10 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 11/20/2014 08:05 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: your problem is that you have a hostile attitude against anybody not doing like you want No I dont. - that's excatly the same as your well known fedora-devel posts *we* as QA sounding like you are the we alone Aha right like you should be getting yourself blocked on this and other mailinglists. EOT since you are quoting out of context, anybody who is interested can easily verify that by himself i just answered your question and this was for sure the last time i respond to anything you are saying because your hypocritical way of quote and respond is not worth a single second signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson píše v Čt 20. 11. 2014 v 18:10 +: On 11/20/2014 04:24 PM, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: Hi, rhel7 / centos7 is shipped with heavily patched systemd 208, which does not contain new interesting features and for us it is a backporting nightmare. I have prepared an experimental repo with newer version of systemd for epel7. Currently it is based on 217 from Fedora rawhide and final goal should be 218. If you are interested, here is a COPR build. Feedback and bug reports are as always highly appreciated. https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/lnykryn/systemd/ Lukas Wont you break your RHEL support if you run this? Yes if you will use it on you rhel, it is not supported. But this was not my point. I am downstream maintainer and I am just thinking if it is possible to rebase systemd in relatively conservative distribution. So I wanted to ask upstream where can I except potential issues. I thought that this could be an interesting topics for upstream because I think that no distribution have tried to do such huge rebase in one major version. An maybe this could be helpful for other distribution (is debian still using 208? :) ). Lukas ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
Lukáš Nykrýn wrote (20 Nov 2014 20:35:05 GMT) : (is debian still using 208? :) ). Nope, we have v215 in Debian testing/sid :) Cheers! -- intrigeri ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
intrigeri píše v Čt 20. 11. 2014 v 21:40 +0100: Lukáš Nykrýn wrote (20 Nov 2014 20:35:05 GMT) : (is debian still using 208? :) ). Nope, we have v215 in Debian testing/sid :) Cheers! -- intrigeri ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel Ah sorry for that, I have old information. You will definitely have less headaches than us. Damn you, sd_bus rewrite. Lukas ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
Hi On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: Hi, rhel7 / centos7 is shipped with heavily patched systemd 208, which does not contain new interesting features and for us it is a backporting nightmare. I have prepared an experimental repo with newer version of systemd for epel7. I don't mind doing that if the goal here is eventually rebase in RHEL/CentOS. If not, I won't be investing time on it Rahul ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
Re: [systemd-devel] newer systemd for rhel7/centos7
在 2014年11月20日 星期四 21:35:05，Lukáš Nykrýn 写道： Jóhann B. Guðmundsson píše v Čt 20. 11. 2014 v 18:10 +: On 11/20/2014 04:24 PM, Lukáš Nykrýn wrote: Hi, rhel7 / centos7 is shipped with heavily patched systemd 208, which does not contain new interesting features and for us it is a backporting nightmare. I have prepared an experimental repo with newer version of systemd for epel7. Currently it is based on 217 from Fedora rawhide and final goal should be 218. If you are interested, here is a COPR build. Feedback and bug reports are as always highly appreciated. https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/lnykryn/systemd/ Lukas Wont you break your RHEL support if you run this? Yes if you will use it on you rhel, it is not supported. But this was not my point. I am downstream maintainer and I am just thinking if it is possible to rebase systemd in relatively conservative distribution. So I wanted to ask upstream where can I except potential issues. I thought that this could be an interesting topics for upstream because I think that no distribution have tried to do such huge rebase in one major version. An maybe this could be helpful for other distribution (is debian still using 208? :) ). upgrading systemd won't break anything. Archlinux and Gentoo rebase systemd every day. But keep a mind of udev, this is the one that will break over time ;) You should scroll over ChangeLogs to read if udev changes its beheavier. Perhaps the biggest changes that you'll facing is the firmware loading mechanism. Lukas ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel ___ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
