John,
I don't have a problem admitting there is a drug problem and that we are
losing fans in droves. I've seen too many track meets in California alone
go down the toilet i.e., the Coliseum Relays, the Compton Cup, the West
Coast Relays, the L.A. Times Indoor Meet at the Forum in Inglewood, the
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:59:26 -0400, you wrote:
>The answer, then is simple: Revive the old US-USSR meets but substitute
>athletes from North Korea/Cuba/al Queda. Two out of three we kick their
>butts.
I remember when Cuba sent some of their best athletes to the
Pepsi Invitational at UCLA in what,
on 8/20/03 6:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> So why has interest in track declined? Poor marketing, dope, the
> dominance
>> of the Africans, the rise of video games and the resultant slacker
>> generation, the rise of youth soccer, the rise of NBA on TV, the NCAA
>> schol
Look at the rise in popularity of both the NBA and NFL from the late
sixties/early seventies. Add in a few more sports which have gained
momentum. ESPN is now televising far too many Little League WS games. Track
and Field needs to be promoted through networks such as ESPN. I have ESPN on
an awful
In the good 'ole USA, ESPN2 will have coverage starting
with Day 4 continuing through Day 8. Their television schedule
will begin 8/26 through 8/30, with two hour programs. On
some days, the coverage seems like it will be repeated at least
once, but they may possibly add/delete events so don't tr
Zurich meet Saturday from the front page at http://usatf.org/
Sat. Aug. 23, 2:00-3:00 p.m. ET - ESPN2
IAAF Golden League presented by Finish Line
Welklasse Zurich
and the WC schedule for the U.S. TV market:
http://usatf.org/calendars/TVSchedule.asp
"Martin J. Dixon" wrote:
> Quite a bit ev
The "declaration" protocol for the Worlds (and Olympics) has entries for
each event confirmed two days prior to the first day's events - so
Saturday's events aren't due until tomorrow - and one day before each
succeeding day's first round events. Each morning there's a 9 a.m. deadline
when entries
Quite a bit everyday if you can access CBC somehow.
"B. Kunnath" wrote:
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> Any idea how much of it, and where, we'll be able to watch in the US?
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> BK
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>So why has interest in track declined? Poor marketing, dope, the
dominance
>of the Africans, the rise of video games and the resultant slacker
>generation, the rise of youth soccer, the rise of NBA on TV, the NCAA
>scholarship limit, etc, etc. Take your pick.
Add my favorite - the end of th
Any idea how much of it, and where, we'll be able to watch in the US?
BK
>From: Roger Ruth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Roger Ruth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: t-and-f: WC Entry Lists?
>Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:13:42 -0700
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>Has anyone been able to navigate th
I feel that the fact that track is a flailing
spectator sport is that it's simply just not something
that the average American wants to see.
The fact that USATF may or may not be marketing
properly is merely incidental to the fact that it's
just not a sport that Americans want to see en masse.
Sc
The bottom line, I think, is that TNF is suffering
because it's just not that much fun for the average
American to watch. We're suffering from the fact that
there isn't much interest in our sport.
True enough, people aren't' very interested in track, but history suggests
that it doesn't have to b
Ed said,
2.Create the proper structure within USATF to separate the professional
stuff from the non-professional stuff as much as possible. Right now, we
give lip service to this, but the net effect is that the organization spends
a lot of time and effort dealing with things that straddle the lin
I think the average (American) football fan realizes that today's football players are
the sizes
they are from something other than being corn fed.
The difference is the media coverage. Most track stories in today's newspapers rarely
lead without
some mention of drugs. Sunday's football game, wh
Has anyone been able to navigate the world championships website
sufficiently to discover where the entry lists
may be found? Or, if they're not yet posted, where they will be? One would
think that with competition beginning in three days, the meet organizers
might have a pretty good idea of who i
There could also be a third reason. There are currently any number of agents with their own group of athletes in Kenya. We dont know the full facts behind the runners being interviewed. Did they just blurt off to a reporter? Are they pointing fingers at an opposing camp for whatever reason? Did a
So the guys you mentioned, (who usually win or place very highly) must be Grade B Americans then huh?
bob
>From: "alan tobin"
If US athletes with US sounding names (sorry
>KK, Meb, Abdi, the average American still sees you as foreign) won
>and/or placed high in big races like they did 20
Are you implying that American runners are currently losing because they are all clean and ewveryone else is dirty?
bob
>I think in the end for track and field/road racing to be a popular
>sport there must be US athletes winning races. For that to happen
>there either needs to be a proven way to
I agree witha lmost everything that Keith pointed out, except the following:
> Track and Field has very high participatory numbers so I would venture to
say that there is a ready made market which
> would be receptive and supportive of broadcasts in the proper format which
is simply SHOW THE MEET
. The networks would have us believe that the
>average American viewer has such a short attention span that they we
>don't want to see an entire event and I respectfully disagree. I
>again reference soccer, hockey, and NASCAR racing to disprove that
>antiquated notion. Track and Field ha
We are pleased to send you this article from the IAAF web site that Stella Cashman
found of interest. This story and many more can be found daily on the IAAF web site -
http://www.iaaf.org - along with the latest results and information from the World of
Athletics.
News Title: IAAF Council elec
dcw23 wrote:
> Actually I think you are wrong here. If there is a problem with fans
being
> turned off because of drugs it is probably exacerbated by the high
standard
> of testing that we have in this sport. Most other sports pay only lip
> service to testing, if they even test at all, therefo
At 09:08 PM 8/19/2003 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote:
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:51:15 -0400
From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Kenyan Drug Scandel
No different at all. Tabloids uncover the truth often.
malmo
Yep. Some of us suspected for a long time that Sen. Phil Gramm's behavi
Diack re-elected as president of IAAF, chaos during
elections
By RAF CASERT
.c The Associated Press
PARIS (AP) - Senegal's Lamine Diack was re-elected as
president of the International Association of
Athletics Federations on Wednesday, but a first vote
by the ruling council was invalidated durin
At 09:08 PM 8/19/2003 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote..
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:09:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Molvar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: t-and-f: Kenyan Drug Scandel
Early in the
existence of this list, Garry Hill would point out how widespread drug use
was in our sport. However, for busines
We've hashed this out on the list many times. The two main reasons that
our audience is lower now is A) there are very few meets televised any more
(at least not when the event actually occurs) and B) they don't show the
meet. Instead, you get tape delayed false starts, b.s. fluff pieces that
Drugs and our sport:
If drug scandal's have taken fans away from this sport it is because we let
them. Pro baseball, football, etc don't have drug scandals (aside from the
recreational use of cocaine) because the governing bodies simply don't care
what their athletes are on as long as money kee
What other "boring" sports are popular in the US? Cycling: Only the TdF and
only because people want to see Lance succeed. Take away Lance and the TdF
and cycling in general would fade quickly in popularity. Golf: Tiger Woods.
People want to see him beat everyone and run away with the record boo
--- John Schiefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> However, if TNF is not marketing itself properly,
> let's name specifics on how we can improve.
Already been done, hundreds of times over on this list and elsewhere.
> It's easy to blame USATF for it's poor marketing,
> and they may be doing a poor j
I have to agree.
I don't think it's fair to say that we've lost viewers
or audience members because of drug scandals or drug
use.
I don't however, believe that our audience is down due
to lack of, or poor, marketing. Maybe TNF could do a
better job of marketing itself. However, if TNF is
not ma
But, isn't Malmo the name of a tabloid that has an "underlying motivation of selling
magazines and
making a lot of money?"
"Wayne T. Armbrust" wrote:
> B. Kunnath wrote:
>
> > From: Dan Kaplan
> >
> > If you can enlighten me as to how that is no different from the T&F
> > drug accusation situat
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