Re: t-and-f: Drummond et al.

2003-08-26 Thread Dan Kaplan
No, but the point is, the rules allow entrance to people obviously not capable of competing at that level while disallowing others who could realistically challenge for a medal, just because their country exceeds a rather arbitrary cutoff of how many can participate. Limit the number of freebie en

Re: t-and-f: Drummond et al.

2003-08-26 Thread Dan Kaplan
--- edndana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you want to complain that including the Afghani woman hurts the > competition and is contrary to the spirit of the World Championships, > I'd agree wholeheartedly. But. . .don't think for a second that this is > negative coverage or that the "average" fa

RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000

2003-08-26 Thread malmo
Yup Mike, the Letsrun mentality has infected you. Find one -Original Message- From: Michael Contopoulos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 Malmo, on Letsrun

t-and-f: Fwd: IAAF DECISION ON JON DRUMMOND INCIDENT

2003-08-26 Thread Richard McCann
IAAF DECISION ON JON DRUMMOND INCIDENT 25 August 2003 PARIS - The IAAF Advisory Board met this afternoon to review an incident that took place last night during Heat 2 of the quarter finals of the Men's 100m at the IAAF World Championships, now taking place in the Stade de France, Paris St-Denis

t-and-f: Slattery's race

2003-08-26 Thread Ed Grant
Netters: Steve Slattery did just about what I expected he would at Paris, though I didn;t think he would get quite that close to a final berth. And he might have made it but for the minor inuury which cut into his training schedule a month or so ago. His comments summed up things

Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000

2003-08-26 Thread John Sun
This whole argument might be a moot point because it seems Bekele's closing 200 in 24.x is one of those urban Internet legends. I haven't seen the race but here are Bekele's final splits from Track & Field News: 12.9, 26.1, 55.0, 1:56.6, 2:59.4, 4:02.8 Very impressive indeed but not close to the

Re: t-and-f: Drummond et al.

2003-08-26 Thread edndana
> Ok then, where's the overwhelming coverage of the women's 100m final? For > the Afghani situation to not hurt the sport, I posit that it has to > actually increase the coverage devoted to the true world class > competitors. If it takes away from that coverage or even does not affect > it, then

RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000

2003-08-26 Thread Michael Contopoulos
You see, Malmo, I wish that is all it is! I truly believe our guys don't work out as much as Geb. Maybe put in the same mileage, but not as many w/o. I don't think its some magic formula, or one specific regimen like a lot of people think. But at the same time, find me one athlete save Kenne

Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000

2003-08-26 Thread edndana
John - You'll get no arguments from me on this point - I do agree that most of the 'top" Americans at 10K probably can't break 24 seconds. And I agree that this puts them at a disadvantage. But it was 24.5 and 25 seconds that were being tossed around and I think there's a world of difference

Re: t-and-f: Fwd: IAAF DECISION ON JON DRUMMOND INCIDENT

2003-08-26 Thread Wilmar Kortleever
The statement below makes you wonder whether somebody is going to suspend the people who came up with the false start rule (and calibration of start detection systems) that (at least as much as Mr. Drummond) 'has brought the sport of athletics into disrepute'. It is not like we have not had warning

Re: t-and-f: USA Into the Toilet in Paris on Monday

2003-08-26 Thread Bob Duncan
Seb Geb Meb Webb wrote: > Not one medal and not many qualifiers. All in all, > one of the worst days in the history of American track > and field. Yeah, my sentiments too. I real bummer today. I wish Dragila would get back on track. I had heard that she had switched coaches and/or was trying

Re: t-and-f: Slattery's race

2003-08-26 Thread Tony Banovich
Ed points out what I think is one of the fundamental differences between the US athletes and many of the rest of the world. Slattery sees this as a learning experience and a drive for 5 years from now. How many of the Africans do we see taking their time and seeing if they mature and worry about

Re: t-and-f: Slattery's race

2003-08-26 Thread Mike Prizy
"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." - Will Rogers (1879-1935) American humorist Tony Banovich wrote: > Ed points out what I think is one of the fundamental differences between the > US athletes and many of the rest of the world. Slattery sees this a

Re: Fwd: Re: t-and-f: USA Into the Toilet in Paris on Monday

2003-08-26 Thread Seb Geb Meb Webb
Cedric, the truth does hurt, doesn't it? As for my citizenship which you have called into question, my name should tell you the only two things that really matter: (1) I love track and field; and (2) I am a citizen of the world. SGMW --- "Cedric E. Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Not

t-and-f: Fwd: [Oztrack] DQ Farce in Paris Men's 100

2003-08-26 Thread FranciCash
An interesting point of view!! Hi Sam Sometime people in high places who set the rules to suit TV coverage and not athletes - are too pompous and have limited hearing of public sentiment from athletes and then the only way to show them how bad something is, to get public attention attracted to an u

Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000

2003-08-26 Thread John Schiefer
True enough! John --- edndana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John - > > You'll get no arguments from me on this point - > I do agree that most of > the 'top" Americans at 10K probably can't break 24 > seconds. And I agree > that this puts them at a disadvantage. But it was > 24.5 and 25 secon

RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000

2003-08-26 Thread John Schiefer
The real question is how does Geb define "easy" on his training runs. I'm sure easy for Geb is about 5:45 pace. Schiefer --- malmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yup Mike, the Letsrun mentality has infected you. > Find one > > > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Contopoulos > [mailto

t-and-f: Felix goes pro... signs with Adidas

2003-08-26 Thread Kebba Tolbert
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Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000

2003-08-26 Thread Joe Rubio
John, From his 5k, 10k and marathon times I'd guess he's running at 5:20 pace for an easier recovery run, 5:00-5:20 for your everyday - garden variety long run, maybe even dropping it down to 4:48 pace near the end. Something I read from Dellinger a number of years back sticks out in my mind.

Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000

2003-08-26 Thread Martin J. Dixon
Maybe the Americans(and Can men) should take a page out of the books of the 2 best distance runners in North America right now-Emilie Mondor and Courtney Babcock. Mondor broke a 15 year old national record today and Babcock missed by .18. Joe Rubio wrote: > John, > > From his 5k, 10k and maratho

t-and-f: WC report - Men's 200m news

2003-08-26 Thread Kebba Tolbert
scroll down                     http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/world_athletics_2003/3183291.stm Kederis pulls out    World and Olympic champion Konstadinos Kederis pulled out of the 200 metres at the World Championships with a thigh injury. The Greek sprinter said he did no

Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000

2003-08-26 Thread edndana
I tend to think that Khalid Khannouchi and Deena Drossin would have something to say about who the 2 best distance runners in Norh America are if you include marathoners as distance runners. I'm not so sure Regina couldn't still break 14:59, either. As for the moderate volume at faster paces, it'

Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000

2003-08-26 Thread lehane
A young man I coach trained in Ethiopia for a month or so and was able to run with and observe Haile's training patterns (not too long after Haile ran a decent marathon debut of 2 hours 6 minutes). His reflections were: HAILE AND THE ETHIOPIAN TRAINING APPROACH Hard workouts three times per week

Re: t-and-f: Felix goes pro... signs with Adidas

2003-08-26 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
Starting to run like Webb, too, unfortunately. See results from 200 QF. Kebba Tolbert wrote: http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/gen/wire?messageId=22385312 Kebba Tolbert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) = Head Coach -- Portland State University Track & Field/Cross Country GO VIKS!! www.govik

Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000

2003-08-26 Thread Martin J. Dixon
I'm biased obviously but, yeah, as soon as I hit send I realized that I forgot about KK. I don't even think the yanks really compare themselves to him though. Immigrant and all that. Point taken about Drossin though. No Jacobs in Paris so who knows. Keep in mind that Mondor was running 15:42 last y

t-and-f: Drummond Quits Track Championships

2003-08-26 Thread FranciCash
08/26/2003 14:23:11 EST Drummond Quits Track Championships By STEPHEN WILSON AP Sports Writer American sprinter Jon Drummond pulled out of the World Championships on Tuesday rather than being forced to withdraw because of his track protest. Drummond, who threw a tantrum after being disquali

Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000

2003-08-26 Thread edndana
Joe - Well. ..you and I are arguing over semantics, and I don't think our argument has anything to do with whatever "problem" there is. Five years ago, I sensed more of the "excuse" mentality from American runners - I don't so much any more. Maybe they aren't training hard enough - I really