I've heard that an all-night sex and beer bacchanalia with a 40 year-old
dentist on birth control pills for the first time does wonders for training.
With this program you run out of time to train, as well. ;-)
malmo
> he just
> ran out of time to train.
>
> I don't know what his performances d
Since I am probably the only list member that has ACTUALLY USED Winstrol --
I still have an unfinished bottle, prescription intact -- let me make this
perfectly clear: I think that the benefits might be mostly mental. Then
again, I went over "to the dark side" for only three months, so what do I
k
> I don't think Christie can be considered among the top 5 because he wasn't
> dominant in his era. I think we're giving short shrift to the pre 1964
> sprinters. What about Bobby Morrow, Jesse Owens or Charlie Paddock? I
> suspect Cordner Nelson has some thoughts on that.
>
I agree
I have recently been told of an experiment of one by a chemist in England
(read pharmacist for chemist) who decided to see what Nadrolone would do for
his training after reading about all the recent positives. He was a distance
runner in his mid-40's having a limit of 40 miles per week in training
Netters
Now back to the drugs. It is my feeling that IF I took drugs and I
took the right ones correctly here is what would happen. This is
based on what I have read about the drugs themselves and what
others have said they could do. then again I might be way off!
A drug like sta
Netters
I must say this is among the best dialogues on any topic I have seen
in a very long time. No accusatations, insults or innuendoes. Just a
frank discussion with what I think are some excellent points made.
Michael Bartolina wrote:
> Maximum efficiency per stride
> taken is what sprin
no bob, you're not the only one. where are the informative and insightful
email's we've been missing. i.e. meet schedules, website names, etc...
I read through this 379-line e-mail, and have yet to
figure out what exactly the writers are asking USATF
to do.
Maybe I overlooked it.
Start channelling USATF development money through
clubs which meet the definitions outlined? (which would
force all elite athletes to become members of such cl
Tom Hammond mentioned that the two Americans were in the race and later on
mentioned that Adbi briefly led.
Steve S.
Track Listers,
On Sunday in Chicago one of the most competitive men's marathons of all-time
will be contested. Seven of the top-10 fastest men of all-time will be
entered in the race, led by world record-holder, Khalid Khannouchi of
Ossining, N.Y. (by way of Morocco). The Olympic Marathon didn'
A lot of good points by John Cosgrove in terms of the idea of creating a
"track club in a box". But the concepts as I read them are long on theory
and short on addressing the key issues that are limiting clubs - lack of
funds and lack of competition opportunites (T&F and RW in particular). Very
Michael Bartolina wrote:
> I can't say it is "more difficult", but you are
> correct in that it does take much more absolute
> strength to "hold one's form" in the 100 than in the
> 800.
>
> As for the original argument that after a certain
> point a given individual might be strong enough, it
>
> I also believe that holding one's form correctly in
> a maximal sprint like
> the 100m is actually more difficult than doing it in
> a 400/800.
>
> - Ed Parrot
I can't say it is "more difficult", but you are
correct in that it does take much more absolute
strength to "hold one's form" in the
Certain list members seem to have forgotten something: Johnson was busted
TWICE. Just prior to the second time he had recovered to be a sub 10.10
performer and appeared to be a medal contender again. But again he was
caught. He almost certainly went back because he had reverted to being the
During the Sydney Games, Prince Alexandre de Merode, the
IOC's medical commission chairman, made the following widely reported
statements.
"Three of the five drug positives from the 1988 US Olympic Track and
Field Trials (which were covered up by the US Track authorities) went on
to win five of t
At 05:53 PM 10/18/2000 -0300, peter stuart wrote..
>At 09:38 AM 10/18/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >The difference for Johnson is that he admitted under oath to long-term
> >usage that extended back to 1981. Neither Christie nor Mitchell admitted
> >to similar usage. That is a very important distincti
Y ask Y:
John Cosgrove of the Southern California Association of USATF shares this
memo with me. He sent it to Craig Masback in early February 2000. Cosgrove is
toying with the idea of running for USATF Masters chairman.
The memo is prefaced by some explanatory comments:
Cosgrove writes:
Thi
Oh boy! I heard a lot about Darrell, and now I see why.
Dennis a big timer? You have got to be joking! Linford served him lunch
except for 91, and they implemented a new rule after that .09 reaction.
Now the Ben issue is amusing. Ben has a bronze medal to his name, and drugs
stamped permanen
Day two has come to a close, not a great day for the USA.
Updated results, commentary, photos and tidbits can be found at
www.NationalScholastic.org
Drop us an email and let us know what you think of the coverage.
Your humble correspondents--
Jim Spier & Jesse Rosen
There may be some broad correlation between an increase in the number of
androgen receptor sites on muscles and sprinting ability, in the sense that
sprinters on-average have more than non-sprinters or slow sprinters, but the
studies to show that a 9.8 sprinter has more than a 9.9 sprinter who
Due to their greater number of "receptor sites" in
the muscles, the good sprinters actually respond proportionally better to
drugs than the bad ones. So it is very hard to compare apples with
apples when comparing arbitrarily selected supposedly clean or dirty
sprinters, assuming there are any cl
1, In 1988 at the Seoul Olympics, Christie
claimed that the positive for ephedrine was because he
had drunk ginseng tea (a local herbal infusion). Christie refused
to give to
the drug testers any residual ginseng so that he might be
vindicated. When
Prof Arnold Beckett tested a version of K
>>And a side note on a distantly related subject--namely, Mo on Millionaire:
Why is everyone assuming Mo Greene is such an idiot?
- - Jay Ulfelder>>
Thats exactly what I was thinking Jay! I wonder what the REAL reason is.
DMC
Integrity is the cornerstone of trust
>In a 10 second sprint however, holding one's form is not nearly as
difficult over the 40 to
> 45 steps taken as say in a 400 or 800 .. Not that I am arguing that
strength
> doesn't help, because it obviously does ... But as with supersaturated
sugar
> water at what point is enough strength enough
Ed wrote:
> Most likely the same role strength plays in other events where skill is
> important, which is most of them. Take the shot put. Now when I pick up
a
> 16 lb shot, it is heavy. When I put it on my shoulder and begin to put
it,
> I am weak enough that it is hard to get the shot put mo
> Again I go back to all of the technical aspects of the race .. I look back
and Carl Lewis coming out of
> high school .. And Carl Lewis after a season or so of tutelage from his
> coaches and the mechanical changes .. The same for Mo Greene pre and post
> John Smith .. Ato Boldon pre and post U
--- Richard McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I will only make this statement based on what
> evidence I can draw on. I will not make any further conclusions, even
> though it seems that I should. I refuse to speculate, which is what you
> are asking me to do.
C'mon Richard, you're an econo
The USA Fall Cross Country Championship will be held on Saturday, November
25, at Boston's historic Franklin Park
This will be the fourth time since 1984 that the fall nationals will be
held in Boston. Acting as presenting sponsors, the Boston Athletic
Association and adidas will work with th
At 09:38 AM 10/18/00 -0700, you wrote:
>The difference for Johnson is that he admitted under oath to long-term
>usage that extended back to 1981. Neither Christie nor Mitchell admitted
>to similar usage. That is a very important distinction in how we treat
>Johnson.
Agreed. My point was that
In a message dated 10/18/0 11:42:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< And although everyone on this list probably knows these two runners
well, when NBC "covered" the distance events like the 10K at two o'clock
in the morning, their cameras scanned right past these two young men as
if they were j
>From: "Conway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Since we're ranking sprinters and a lot of listers place mucho
>importance
>on
> > winning gold medals at OG and WC where does Merlene Ottey fit into >the
>woman's side of the greatest ever debate? She certainly should >be
>considered but has always ende
- Original Message -
From: Conway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> I tend to agree with this point of view .. That the benefits of drug use
is
> in the training room/practice track .. And if this is the case then my
> original question still stands .. What does this translate to on the
> competitiv
I've added seasonal best performances to the startlist for this afternoon
women's vault. They identify, for me, an interesting question: Why is it
that USA doesn't have an entrant over 4.00m (13' 1 1/2")?
When I checked the world list, it would appear that Donoghue and
Rosenberger are, indeed the
The difference for Johnson is that he admitted under oath to long-term
usage that extended back to 1981. Neither Christie nor Mitchell admitted
to similar usage. That is a very important distinction in how we treat
Johnson.
There is a reasonable case to be made that both Christie and Mitchel
I did answer the question to best of my knowledge--he is the only top end
sprinter that we KNOW was using drugs. (We know many East Germans were
using as well at the time.) You can then draw whatever conclusion you want
from that statement. I will only make this statement based on what
evid
At 06:14 PM 10/17/2000 -0700, malmo wrote..
>As a child, there was no movie scarier to me than "The Wizard of Oz". Those
>crazy flying monkeys scared the bejeezus out of me! Children do watch this
>movie don't they? They "have trouble distinguishing reality and fantasy"?
>Bullsh!t police here. You
Dan wrote:
> --- Jay Ulfelder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > One can't simply compare Ben Johnson's
> > pre-bust and post-bust times and chalk up the entire difference to
> > drugs. The guy was away from competition for some time, and I would
> > think his mental game (so important for the 100m)
Steve Bennett wrote:
> It is most likely impossible to predict the benefits because many are
> training aid benfits eg quicker recovery so an athlete can train harder.
> Apparently Growth Hormone is brillinat for this. Werner Reiterer in
> "positive" states that he felt younger , recovered better
Richard McCann wrote:
> Johnson is the only top-end sprinter we KNOW was taking drugs during that
> era. We know that Johnson was certainly mediocre in comparison when he
> wasn't on drugs. We can only speculate about other sprinters. Again, I
> state that we need some form of "proof" before w
Barto wrote:
> I swore off responding to these types of subjects
> about a year ago, but this one requires such a simple
> answer I can't resist. Sorry Jim, I know I'm letting
> you down.
>
> Drugs help a whole lot, more than the proposed .05
> secs. They work really well and that is why
> prof
Steve wrote:
> Since we're ranking sprinters and a lot of listers place mucho importance
on
> winning gold medals at OG and WC where does Merlene Ottey fit into the
> woman's side of the greatest ever debate? She certainly should be
considered
> but has always ended up with a "lessor" medal.
>
Tony wrote:
You omitted one fact.Christie tested positive for
ephedrine at Seoul, but they let him keep his medal anyway.And...Ben
was NOT busted for 'roids at Seoul. He was convicted because one man, the
late Dr. Manfred Donike, subjectively felt that Ben had an aberrant "endocrine
pro
I received several nice replies to my pseudo Olympic trivia question:
Who is Mebrahtom Keflezighi?
Who is Abdi Abdirahman?
They provided me with even more information about these two remarkable
African-American athletes.
And although everyone on this list probably knows these two runners
well,
Title: Ja'Warren Hooker article from the Seattle
Times...
Wednesday, October 18, 2000,
12:00 a.m. Pacific
UW Football
Notebook: Hooker to hold off on any return to football until
'01
by Bud
Withers
Seattle Times staff reporter
Ja'Warren Hooker, the Washington
sprinter-sometimes-footba
--- Jay Ulfelder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One can't simply compare Ben Johnson's
> pre-bust and post-bust times and chalk up the entire difference to
> drugs. The guy was away from competition for some time, and I would
> think his mental game (so important for the 100m) was pretty much
> crus
>Why was he so much better than the rest? There are two possible
>explanations:
>
>1. He was on drugs and no-one else was
>
>2. Others were on drugs too but Johnson was better anyway
>
>So you have to argue EITHER that Johnson was truly a great sprinter OR that
>he was the only one who took drugs
It is most likely impossible to predict the benefits because many are
training aid benfits eg quicker recovery so an athlete can train harder.
Apparently Growth Hormone is brillinat for this. Werner Reiterer in
"positive" states that he felt younger , recovered better , old injuries to
knees felt
A quick comment on this interesting conversation that, I hope, supports what Conway's
arguing/asking: One can't simply compare Ben Johnson's pre-bust and post-bust times
and chalk up the entire difference to drugs. The guy was away from competition for
some time, and I would think his mental ga
Hi Richard & All
Richard, you've not answered my question.
Fact: Johnson was far superior to all competitors in 87 and 88.
Why was he so much better than the rest? There are two possible
explanations:
1. He was on drugs and no-one else was
2. Others were on drugs too but Johnson was better a
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