All,
Please pass this race along to anyone you may know who lives in and around
the NYC metro area. We're offering $1500 in prize money for both men and
women. The course will definitely be challenging, but when was the last
time a real serious 10k took place at VCP? Ideally, later this year
be in touch.
Thanks,
Michael Contopoulos
Cofounder: Manhattan Track Club
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
917-974-4234
At what point did El G turn to the mile? Also, has anyone else noted that
our juniors often compete well with the Kenyan's, Moroccan's, etc. Gabe
Jennings, Ritz, and I know there are others that have done well in recent
years. YET, it seems as though these guys stagnate while the rest of the
If that is not an admition of guilt, I don't know what is.
To Race Results Weekly.
I haven't really been in good form this season, and I've kind of been
falling apart, so I said I'd help him. This is not my time, but next year
I'll be ready. I won't be rabbiting next year.- Lassiter
Well jeez, it was in on Philly.com... it must be true! I would be willing
to make a small wager to anyone interested that Webb is not running the
Phili marathon and that Bill Fleischman doesn't know what he is talking
about. Maybe Alan is running the 5k run on the same day, but no way is he
I think coming through 1200 faster than any human has ever gone through
1200, and having no one with him the last 300, may have had something to do
with that.
From: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail)
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But of course Wetmore was wrong in saying that drugs are the number one
problem in our sport (tongue in cheek). nearly 50% of the top 12 men's 5k
performers all time, the mutiple World Cross Champ, the steeple chase world
record holder... oh yeah... there's no problem. Hell, Goucher probably
Does anyone have any figures regarding the percentage of b samples that
differ from the a? I remember hearing once that something like 99% of b
samples return the same result as the a. Is this true? Any documentation
on this?
Exactly. So lets assume for a 1500 guy 24 is the age at which the body is
most able to run its fastest (given the proper number of years training,
intensity, etc). How many 24 year olds are prepared to do so? Very few if
you ask me. Why? Because after college is when the REAL training
We had 6 guys run sub 28 as early as June 21st and none of these guys are
racing the one main 10k of the year... Van Damme. I mean, even if they
peaked for a May 3rd race (Meb, Browne, Wells, Hauser) or Nationals on June
21st (Abdi, Culpepper), there has been plenty of time to come back down
Anyone ever notice that out of every sub 13 ever run the majority (i.e. all
but 2 or 3) of the guys are 28 or younger? And that has nothing to do with
Kenyans lying about their ages. We have Ethiopia, Germany, Morocco, USA ,
Algeria, Belgium, France, all listed there (granted the German was
Dan, yes, because I think physically you are more prepared to run your
fastest times at an earlier age.
From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Peak age... Americans have it wrong?
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:38:09
The emphasis on 3 seasons AND the lack of hard training. I think coaches
are less risky with their athletes in college than they would be if they
were not part of a team. If you're a coach and one of your stars goes down,
or God forbid 2 or 3 guys, that's it... no hope for a respectful
Regardless of the reasons, are we in agreement that most males reach their
physical peak between the ages of 23-28? Because if we all do, I would be
shocked. All I've ever heard was that I, as a male, won't reach my physical
peak as a runner until 28-32. If you think about it, it makes
I don't doubt it, but something tells me there was some pretty strict
testing at the Olympics and World Champs... especially for finalists and
medalists... which the previously mentioned athletes were.
Michael
From: Winfried Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Soccer is definitely one of many factors that have led to the demise of
middle and long distance running in this country. It is ONE, though, not
the only. Equally as much of a factor, in my opinion, is that American's
don't seem to believe in themselves much any more. As a result, they
Sully was injured all winter with a stress fracture in his back (I believe).
He suffered it during a race.
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To: T-AND-F [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: CanAm 2002 Concludes with Les Internationaux
I would think that people react differently to different drugs. Two 13:30
5k guys taking EPO could progress very differently... no? So in that
respect, it doesn't really even the playing field... it just benefits one
cheat over another.
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Reply-To: Lee
Seems to me to hold a track meet in the Astrodome (as is being proposed for
the 2012 Olympic Games) would cause a lot of complications as to whether a
record, or any time for that matter, is recognized as an indoor record/time
or an outdoor one. Even with the top open, I would imagine that
there is no way he would lose.
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Guerrouj challenges Marion Jones to 400-metre dash
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:36:27 -0700 (PDT)
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There is no way that
Not running for the NCAA didn't hurt Wilson Kipketer, Hicham El-Gueruej,
Haile Gebrelessie or Khalid Kahnnouchi.
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb going
Does anyone think we'll see a repeat of the men's London race in Chicago?
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Radclife running Chicago Marathon
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:06:02 -0500
From the folks at LSB
Wayne, and a lot of head coach's should be looking for jobs.
From: Wayne T. Armbrust [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Mike Holloway- New UF Head Track Coach
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:20:38 -0500
Still not very
What ever happened to Robin Martin?
From: Dave Cahill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Track Field Digest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Penn's Charlie Powell
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 06:37:35 -0700 (PDT)
In our discussions about coaching, Penn's Charlie
Powell
I would call 5th in the Olympic Games World Class. You can't get much more
World Class than that.
I would also call 7:39 indoors World Class (4th best time in the world).
I would also call 3:33 World Class (top 25 in the World).
Nate will run a World Class 800 (sub 1:46) within the next
Speaking of turning pro... is Jennings going to join the Farm Team? How is
his emotional state? I really honestly believe Gabe can run 3:30ish and be
a cotender for a medal in 2008- if he is willing to work at it for that
long. He, in my opinion, has all the tools: endurance, speed, race
It seems as though Webb wants to get away from Warhurst and move back to
Razcko more than getting away from NCAA comp. Can anyone verify this? I
would think it would be more like he would want to stay at Michigan,
training with the Kevin, Tim, Paul and Nate (could you IMAGINE a better
system, since by
turning
pro Webb would be trying to get back to his high school coach's system.
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Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:04 PM
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: Michigan
Good question... same could be said for Ritz and that seems to be working
out all right for him. Was Jim Ryun's coach in high school the KU coach?
From: P.F.Talbot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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Subject: RE: t-and-f: Michigan freshman Webb may
Juiced baseballs, harder throwing pitchers, bigger bats and hitters, smaller
parks (and more at altitude), changes in mound heights, more teams (meaning
more players to actually hit the dingers), etc have contributed to the rise
in home runs. As for why more shortstops have, the type of
We have not heard the last of these two. Keep in mind, they are both in
their early to mid 20s. Having graduated hs in 1996 the oldest Granville is
is 24 most likely. He was out all indoor season, in a boot. I heard he's
only been running for about 3 weeks so far... so its really hard to
True Larry, I am aware of this... but you also have to keep in mind that he
improved all throughout hs and then pretty much stopped as he was hitting
stride. He's really like a freshman in college in terms of development. Do
you think if he went to Baylor or something back in 1997 he would
That sounds like Obea's story, not Michael's.
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Subject: Re: RE: t-and-f: He's baaack...
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 18:30:47 -0400
In a message dated Sat, 11 May 2002 3:52:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Gerald Woodward [EMAIL
Speaking of the American Junior Record in the 5k... what is the young and
talented Franklyn Sanchez doing right now? I know he is at Georgetown, was
injured during cross, ran briefly (and not very well) indoors, and as far as
I know, hasn't been heard from since. He was so good in 2000
Seen Ritz race a bunch. That kid is incredible. I'm so excited to see him
in the future. What about Tom McArdle? 13:37. Great pr for him. Keep in
mind, going to Dartmouth where he can't redshirt if he wants to use all his
eligibilty for the Big Green, he is like a redshirt soph anywhere
Kurt, maybe he is thinking he should grab the chance to get a shoe contract
before his profitability declines after a bad performance or two. One race
may not effect his worth... but what if he bombs a couple more times... he
is still riding on 3:53... he SHOULD take the loot. He can still
Webb didn't look good from the gun. When he took the lead it appeared as
though he did so out of desparation more than anything else. He tried to
come on with 300 to go, was slightly bumped with about 200 to go, but at
that point there was no way he was finishing much higher than he did.
So Alan Webb said he will forego US Senior Nationals this year to
concentrate on World Juniors. I was wondering if anyone had a list of lets
say the last 10-15 years of Junior Champs in the 1500 and 5k. I would be
interested in seeing how many WJ winners in these events became World
Speaking of hamstrings... I tore mine last summer. I've been able to run on
it over the last 5 months, but it is still pretty uncomfortable. Now that I
am starting speed workouts, I would like to get it worked on by a Physical
Therapist/Masseuse. I think some deep tissue massage by someone
Marty,
I am pretty sure most schools in Canada have stopped the 5th year thing.
Mike
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To: 'Martin J. Dixon' [EMAIL PROTECTED], Track Canada
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Does anyone out there have the summer series schedule for the Boston Meets?
Both the Twilight Meets and the High Performance Meets? Its getting close
now and the USATFNE site hasn't been updated to reflect the outdoor 2002
campaign.
Thanks,
Mike
. Check
www.bostonhighperformance.com
There will be no meets held at Northeastern University this spring
May/June.
The USATF NE Championship - full meet - will be on June 15 at a site to be
determined.
Steve Vaitones
USATF New England
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From: Michael Contopoulos
You are all missing my point. The fact that Nike cheated is what I am
really concerned with. All I'm saying is that I have lost a lot of respect
for them. What's next... doping of their athletes? They stole an award
that wasn't theirs; who is to say what they will do for Victory? Lie,
In a message dated Sat, 16 Mar 2002 1:50:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You are all missing my point. The fact that Nike cheated is what I am
really concerned with. All I'm saying is that I have lost a lot of respect
for them. What's next... doping
-To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Nike, Cross Nationals, USATF
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:59:09 -0800 (PST)
--- Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes Dan, how dare I blame the meet organizers for scoring it wrong
and taking a month to correct
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Nike, Cross Nationals, USATF
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:59:09 -0800 (PST)
--- Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes Dan, how dare I blame the meet organizers for scoring it wrong
Dan, Paul dealt with the overall trophy. That is why he had it made out to
Adidas. Nike accepted the 12k Team award knowing that 4 of their 6 declared
runners had droppped out and that they in no way could have won the meet.
USATF screwed up the scoring (which I still can't figure out how),
that make you a thief?
Dan
--- Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan, Paul dealt with the overall trophy. That is why he had it made out
to Adidas. Nike accepted the 12k Team award knowing that 4 of their 6
declared runners had droppped out and that they in no way could have won
at the store and
not said something? Does that make you a thief?
Dan
--- Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan, Paul dealt with the overall trophy. That is why he had it made out
to Adidas. Nike accepted the 12k Team award knowing that 4 of their 6
declared runners had droppped out
For God's sake... this is simple. Everyone knew Nike did not win the team
trophy as soon as Bolota, Brent and Brad dropped out. End of story. The
officials, the sponsors, the runners, the spectators... EVERYONE. Those 3
were clearly declared runners for Nike. It didn't matter if there was
So Nike cheated and has been stripped of their win from Cross Nationals by
not fielding a full team. Their declaration of 6 runners (4 of whom score)
included Brent Hauser, Brad Hauer, Bolata Asmeron and Chad Johnson. They
all dnf'd, leaving only 2 actual scoring finishers (Abdi and Meb).
of their
corporate headquarters.
Paul Banta
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Contopoulos
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:02 AM
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Subject: t-and-f: Nike, Cross Nationals, USATF
So Nike cheated and has been stripped of their win
That is more like it. I think it would serve USATF well if they went on
numerous websites serfed by a large portion of the US distance running
community and explained this error. By not doing so, the establishment is
letting rumors and speculation fly as to who was in the wrong. I know it
:09 -0800 (PST)
--- Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think it would serve USATF well if they went on numerous websites
serfed by a large portion of the US distance running community
and explained this error. By not doing so, the establishment is
letting rumors and speculation
I agree Michael, but don't let the powerful Dan Kaplan read this... he'll
respond with something like the following:
Yes, let's point the blame at Regina Jacobs for not defending herself on an
unknown number of fronts rather than the people (you, in this case) who
choose to cast the
she is dirty as sin.
Mike
From: Michael J. Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: re: EPO testing XC
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:10:28 -0500
Mike
I am in no way implying anything. I would never do that, especially
because I
Dan, the usage of EPO (and I assume other drugs similar to it) are NOT
simple to use effectivley (without dying) by any means. You DO NOT just
shoot yourself up and go to bed a happy fast little camper. In fact, EPO
users recquire very close monitorization by a doctor or doctors as it has
fair enough.
From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pharmaco-economics was: t-and-f: Olympic DQ's
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:30:16 -0800 (PST)
--- Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan, the usage of EPO (and I
Lots of people have been questioning the UoW track... but why does it seem
so unbelievable? Sage is a 3:39 1500 guy, Garner had run 4:03 and 8:02 this
season before that great run, and Ray Hughes absolutely had sub 4:00
potential going into the race. I don't know much about Strong, but the
Hi all,
I found the men IC4A pretty easily but does anyone have women's ECAC
results I can't seem to find them If you could post the link that would
be great but the women's 800 reults is what I am interested in most if
you just want to post those
Thanks,
Mike
I was wondering if anyone knew if its much of a problem to get into the Open
race of Mt SAC in the 5k? I was looking at last years times and I figure
with a 14:35 I should finish middle of the pack The problem? I haven't
raced since Feb of 2000 and I plan on Mt SAC as being my opener
Although O'Sullivan likely isn't calling this a sub-4 attempt, he won't be
able to dawdle either
With the next nearest competitor at 4:15, almost 4:16, Marcus can surely
dawdle. I saw him pace the 3k 2 weeks ago at the armory, and he looked
like he was jogging a 4:16. The man is still a
Wow, thank you Tony. And so you all know... a website is in the beginning
stages (yes, already). I haven't done any research on the name yet, but I
would like for our group to simply be called the Manhattan Track Club and
eventually have women too. We've already signed up a 4:06/14:05 guy
Hello everyone.
I was wondering if anyone knew of any 14:30-14:50 type 5k guys or 3:50-3:55
1500 guys in their early 20s in NYC who are not part of a club and may be
interested in joining one. I would like to start a training group where I
would essentially lead in coaching, organizing
OK, why is distance running not popular in the US but fly fishing gets great
ESPN time? Why can't the general public watch a 13 minute 5k, but I have
co-workers (in NYC, not down south) getting amped to work half a day so they
can sit on their couch and watch machines speed around a track 500
Also, as I was so politely reminded, this is a co-ed sport, and I would love
to see the same idea with America's top women distance runners. Between
Suzy, Deena, Hazel Clark, Rudolph, etc, there are plenty of women who can
run with the best of the world.
Mike
From: Michael Contopoulos
Alan, I can't disagree with you more... on just about everything you said.
To begin with, being a northerner, I can tell you that NASCAR is beginning
to bridge the gap between the redneck south and north. I work at a Hedge
Fund, full with people who drive porche's, not a '75 Corvette propped
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: USATF Advertising idea...
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:50:51 -0600
No, three words brought back the NBA from near death: Magic, Larry, and
Michael. Zippy the Chimp
could have written
Thank you Kurt. I agree. How can any of us (including Mr. Masback) make
changes in this sport if the few who try and suggest alternatives are
continually shot down? Find the flaws and lets try and fix them. That's
how ideas become plans that work. I threw out one idea. Lets hear some
Agreed. However, why do the OG have to be the be all and end all of
competition. Sure, to us it is, but to the general public, the USATF
Championships can hold the same weight... and its better because they are
held every year too. We CAN market Adam Goucher and Tim Broe as the next
great
I have an interest in Jerome Young after watching him run several times in
high school (we're both CT boys). Does anyone think he will return to the
form he showed in 1998 when he ran 44.09? He ran 45.01 in hs, and to be
honest, I thought he would have been the guy to take over MJ's spot as
Jason Long ran for JMU and I believe graduated in 2001. I know he ran 1:47
high in the prelims of IC4As in the 800 last year, but I don't know what his
mile time is. Perhaps someone can offer more details.
Mike
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To:
Two questions:
1) Does anyone know when today's Terrier results will be posted?
2) If not, and someone knows the results for what I am looking for, can you
please post the women's 800 results (heats 1 and 2 only) and men's mile
results (heat one only).
Thanks,
Mike
OK... my own persoanl training philophy is one that (broken down to its
simplest form) states: those who are going to achieve the max out of their
body are the ones willing to train just one workout, one rep, one extra
minute shy of an injury. The ones who end up maximizing their body's
: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:02:45 EST
In a message dated Fri, 4 Jan 2002 2:10:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I ran MANY night meets at the Armory in college. The area is very
safe. I never once felt unsafe warming up or cooling down for a meet
the myth about the rudeness of the people of New York must have started with
rush hour subway traffic. I admit, between 4:30-6:00 on a summer evening
after a long day of work... to be herded onto a subway packed with people is
not exactly what you want to do. BUT, considering these
I'm personally really happy that the standard will be that fast... we
shouldn't send guys who struggle to make the standard, but rather guys who
run it on their way to peaking for the Champioinships where they intend to
medal. If we can't send 3 guys with legitimit chances of getting into the
well... I can answer questions 2 and 3 VERY confidently as I ran MANY night
meets at the Armory in college. The area is very safe. Most people warm up
by doing laps around the Armory itself... or going a few blocks downtown,
across town a blck, a few blocks up town, back a block and so on
was of a
grander nature... medaling at the WCs.
M
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: 1500: ain't we got fun?
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 14:12:03 EST
In a message dated Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:55:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL
Does anyone know how Franklyn Sanchez is doing? I know he was hurt this
summer and spent cross country getting back into shape... how is he doing
now? Nobody seems to recognize him as one of the young guns of American
Distance running with Webb, Torres, Ritz, Hall, Sage, Broe, etc... but
Dana Carvey ran track and I heard once that Robin Williams ran 1:57 in the
800 in hs.
M
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Subject: t-and-f: Famous people who have run track?
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:12:06 EST
Y ask:
Just got this strange/silly
Uhm... I knew about 2 of those guys you mentioned. I doubt tossing out
those names will get a single 14-18 year old to practice.
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Does anyone know what Gabe Jennings is up to these days? There are a bunch
of rumors of him dropping out of school, that he is no longer running, etc.
Anyone know the truth? Will he be back for indoors and outdoors? Better
yet, will he be back for indoors and outdoors in shape?
Mike
I don't understand this discussion. And I also don't understand the logic
behind USATFs decision making process. Why aren't the standards for the
marathon the same for track? Top 3 go... assuming they have the A standard.
If they do not, then the next highest finished with the standard
is 15.
Do we ever have 15 year olds go 1:50-low? If people want to be
disbelieving
that these performances are not likely being done by athletes as young as
they claim to be, let them, as there is a lot of evidence that they are
right.
/Brian
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From: Michael Contopoulos
Michael Granville set the National Freshman Class Record at the National
Scholastic Meet in 1993 with a 1:51.03. He very well could have been 14 in
that championship. Although I find it hard to believe someone could
possibly go 2 seconds faster than Michael did his freshman year, its not
Brian, considering Webb ran 8:4? last year indoors, the indoor 2 mile record
is most definitely NOT in the 9:20s
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Subject: RE: t-and-f: Footlocker South - why so fast?
Date: Mon, 26 Nov
Anyone know the results from the Manchester Road Race? How did BK do?
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With the Chinese Federation cracking down on the drug cheats within their
own ranks in an attempt to be seen in a favorable light by the rest of the
world (aka, Beijing 2008), I doubt we will see any World Records.
Mike
From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL
Well, My friend ran the Phili Marathon this weekend. He did that pretty
radical taper I mentioned to all of you... and I think it worked for him.
He finished in 2:36:41 for 15th place. Not bad for this 23 year old's (as
of Sep) debut 'thon off 80 mile weeks. After going out in 1:14 he died
ok... i'm having a discussion with a friend about a good taper for a
marathon. he thinks that for someone running 80 miles a week going into 3
weeks of the marathon, they should run 65-70, 45, 30. I say that is too
little. I gave him examples of Bob Hodge before his 2:12:30 at Boston and
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Subject: Re: Re: t-and-f: marathon qualifiers
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10
, given our goals, is appropriate... we
will see.
Mike
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To: Michael Contopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: marathon taper
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:59:08 -0500
Marathon tapers are very
Oleg,
I agreed with everything you said until,
If basketball didn't steal Paul Tergat, swimming didn't steal Alan
Webb and triathlons didn't steal Lance Armstrong, do we really believe
that soccer is stealing the next Bill Rodgers or Frank Shorter?
Yes, I believe that even though these
Lets see... Jonathon Stevens, from what I remember won Golden West in 1998
in something like 1:48 mid. Went to Stanford, made the Pan Am games and ran
like 1:49 that year. Don't think he's gone faster since. Joe Urbanski has
been running pretty well. I think he's run low 30s in the 10 and
Interesting because I played baseball and tennis all throughout high
school... and I also ran. I thought 2 hours of tennis was much harder than
going out and running a 5-8 mile run. The constant stop and go, suicides,
etc was like running 2 hours of intervals... far harder than an easy
Tom a perfect example is one of the NCAA favorites going into Nationals,
Matt Tegencamp. When asked what his goal was for Nationals he said, ...my
goal is to be the top American finisher and mix it up with some of the
Kenyan's. Basically, it seems as though he has already conceded to Kimani
Here's what I find baffling when I hear people say Webb isn't that good at
cross, he can't run 10k, etc. If it were any other year other than last
year, Alan Webb would have been Footlocker Champ and heads and shoulders
above anyone else going into his freshman year. Just because Ritz was in
Did I say people on this list? I said people not listers. Why are you
searching for an argument?
However, I do disagree with you... Webb win the 1500 crown by 5 or 6
seconds? Are you kidding me? I think Jennings, Wilson, Schwabe, Kimani and
Sage can all beat Webb on a given day... with
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