"Matt Pelletier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I should also mention that an ESPN analyst brought up a good point last
> night. Blood degenerates over time. It can't be expected to be valid
for
> testing purposes after a long period of time. If Lance DID have his
blood
> frozen for future tests,
> - Original Message -
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> Date: Thursday, June 9, 2005 9:58 pm
> Subject: Re: t-and-f: SP Marking at Payton Jordan Meet
>
> > I didn't notice that precisely, but I did have the odd feeling
> > that the guy doing the measuring thought that anywhere fairly near
> > wh
Christopher wrote:
>"We are not like you
>people in America," he says. "These people, when they
>get famous, they stay simple." I think he has a point.
>When the speeches end, I look over and see Wilson Kipketer,
>the world-record holder at 800 meters, picking up bottle
>ca
ESPN mag has an article on genetic testing of young children to identify their best sport. Here's an excerpt that might be of interest:I had learned that elite soccer players have unusually long ring fingers (compared to their index fingers) on their left hands. It's apparently a marker of prenat
>Jones' carefully worded respones tell me an awful lot-
>"I have been tested for performance enhancing substances
>more often than any other athlete in the world, and I have
>never failed a test."
Maybe Marion and Lance Armstrong need to have a contest, because iirc Lance
uses almost the exact sa
Dan wrote:
>Simple. Let people watch however they want and those who don't like it
>can stay home and watch on TV, seated or standing.
Sure. And as soon as Craig's biggest problem is how to deal with all the
sold-out track meets in America, that could be a smart response.
Note that as good as
Randy wrote:
>In the modern era of elite athletes competing on the elite circuit much
longer than
>they used to, and athletes moving into Masters (seniors) competition
directly from
>the elite circuit or after only a short 'retirement', it is obvious that
the age grade
>tables for the upper 30's
Steve wrote:
>- Don't hear much about this in other sports, though it does apply to >all
sports, doesn't it?
I'm guessing it does ... and if a ref or umpire were to take such a
draconian stance, they would have a full scale riot on their hands.
Imagine the analogue at a basketball game. Partw
If there's anyone coming to Austin for the NCAA's and needs someplace to
crash, Casa Ponebshek has available room for 2-3 people. I live about 25
minutes from the UT Track, no bus routes available, so you'll need your own
vehicle. And the wife says you'll need to be quiet coming in at night ;-)
Ed ranted:
>That's typical of the crap that's published in the rag known as the
>Guardian. They get it wrong on everything else, why should anyone expect
>them to get it right on athletics.
First, I'd note that they're carrying a piece by an author - not an
editorial by the paper itself.
Secon
Enough said, indeed.
And before the list becomes a volleyball game for all forms of jingoism,
nationalism, and chauvinism, let me suggest that the list supervisors won't
let this go very far.
We are in the most international of sports, and this list represents the
diversity of opinions that an i
Marty Posted:
>Olympic gold medallist and three-time world champion Maurice Greene will
>never win another championship, sprint legend Michael Johnson has
predicted.
> http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,6190038-23218,00.html
Hmmm ... is Johnson going to do as much to keep track in the
By that token,
Marty Post wrote:
>An average athlete can hit a baseball at say maybe 50 miles per hour, but
>certainly not 90-95 mph.
And one can argue that those are two completely different acts.
>An average athlete can ride a bicycle up a down some
>difficult hills, but could never do so
Without reading the interview or article, I'd offer that the *really* hard
thing is running a fast marathon on the day you really need to run a fast
marathon, like in the Olympics. There are so many things that can go
wrong, that being able to not only put everything together, but to them
togethe
Richard McCann wrote:
>Seemingly, Title IX hardline advocates want universities to go out and
>recruit women to start competing in a sport at the intercollegiate
>level. Obviously, they have no experience with sports, or they would
>realize that for almost any athlete, it's too late to pick u
Franci sent:
>The Attack on Women's Sports
>February 17, 2003
>Instead of trying to rob women's sports,
>schools should look for ways to make financing within men's
>sports more equitable. Top football programs pay their
>coaches more than $1 million a year, shower luxuries on
>their players
Gerry wrote:
>OK, Caped Crusader, here's your chance to make a difference.
>Instead of wasting your words on the choir here, create some new gospel
>where you apparently think it's truly needed.
>Pen a screed of some 500 words of what you think T&FN should have been
>saying all these years
Just to clarify. Carol's remarks were ignorant, not stupid.
Now, it may be subject to debate whether her ignorance on that point is a
matter of stupidity or just laziness (I often debate the same about some
allegedly stupid politicians). But exactly what was gained by the subject
header above?
Lee Nichols wrote:
>Well, we have now ceased to even be listed under "other sports" at
>Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com). They have no track coverage
>at all. I had my My Yahoo! page (which is my home page) set up to
>include track headlines in my news headlines section, but now the
>lin
Rich Harrington wrote:
>It's nice to see how Princeton University gives back to the community.
Truly
>heartwarming isn't it?
Well, you have to remember that Jadwin Gym isn't just a track - it's also
Princeton's home venue for Basketball:
Home games on Saturdays:
2/1 (men)
2/8 (women)
2/15(me
Randy wrote:
>The revelation of the story killing should be a bigger
>story than the Augusta story behind it- there are MUCH
>bigger implications.
>It was indeed a discussion topic on the Fox News Channel
>this evening, but I doubt it got any commentary on the
>other networks.
>But to just y
Martin wrote:
>>>Veering a bit here but the subject line made me think of it. There are
>>>some yahoos on letsrun that actually espouse the theory that the reason
>>>there was so much depth in distance in the early eighties is because the
>>>courses(and probably the tracks) were all short. Reg
One of the most amazing thing to me about Stanford (along with placing 4
Americans in the top 10) - if you look at their roster, they list *35*
runners on the men's cross country team.
When so many teams seem limited to 10-15 XC runners because of budgets
and/or Title IX, that level of participat
Ouch - that would be Herb Lindsay. The guy who still holds the US record
for 10 miles, I think?
Phil
(feeling particularly old, after wearing my old Midland Run t-shirt for a
workout last week...)
High Hurdles - knocking them all down (not something you would have wanted
to try with 1930's style hurdles)
Phil
"FJ LEE"
Gerald Woodward wrote:
>You shouldn't be so narrow minded when it comes to religion. There are
>people on this list of many faiths, and whose religious beliefs are just
as
>strong as yours or stronger. Not everyone is a Christian, nor do they
>intend to become a Christian. It is not up to y
Richard wrote:
>> My point is that these runners (running 2:12 pace not 2:11 BTW), were
>> running a conservative time oriented race without regard to the
competition
>> around them instead of running a "balls to the walls" risk taking race
>> against the best in the world. Until US runners
Yep. The bike racers have it right, I fear. Just set a maximum RBC limit,
and then let the team physicians figure out how to get athletes as close as
possible without getting dq'd on the day for going over.
Probably a lot cheaper program to manage, too, than all those esoteric GC
tests and suc
Martin Dixon wrote:>I believe the cadence for a reasonably fit runner is about 100 left foot strikes per minute and this changes>very little no matter what the speed. So a runner going at a 7:00 pace(if my math is right) would have a>stride length of 3 feet 9 inches.Not.For me (a true slow-twitch c
> >>Lee Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>09/19/2002 11:55 AM>Please respond to Lee Nichols>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: > bcc: > Subject: Re: t-and-f: Poor Journalism, again?!> >From the Espn article about Bob Hayes:When Dallas won the Super Bowl after the 1971 seaso
Richard wrote;
>As another post said, we don't try to make similar
>comparisons between distance races where varying conditions have
>substantial influence.
Well, for a correlation to be meaningful, it needs to be relatively
universal. The nice thing about physical forces such as wind and air
d
John Lunn wrote:
>No problem!
>You could have done worse, you could have mentioned "God". You can't
believe
>who all you'd wake up.
John Lunn
God has been running too much? Is omnipotence an illegal ergogenic aid?
Look, the whole point of this isn't whether discussions of whether Bush
s
OK guys. The next Political Ranters get tossed from the board for two
weeks.
Got it?
Thanks
Phil
Erstwhile List Supervisor
(taking names from here out...)
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uri goldburg posted:..
One of the most curious titles I've ever read for a posting - considering
that Judy Garland crashed and burned because of her drug dependencies...
Or was there supposed to be an ironic contrast between performance
enhancers and psychotropics that slipped by me?
>"Well, I wish there was some communication on this ahead of time...being
40
>miles away from San Antonio, I wouldn't have mind heading down there for
>the meet. FYI, there's this new invention called the newspaper. Buy an ad
in the
>sports section. Seriously, it's not hard. From what I hear,
I wrote:
>>"Actually, last week's ruling had no impact. It had already been ruled
>>awhile back that athletes could be tested - the Supreme Court just
extended
>>testing to the chess team and debate club last week."
Martin replied:
>I think the point to be culled from the fact that the "ge
Ed Grant wrote:
> Actually, drugs don;t do that much for baseball players if you
> except the home runs.
Sorry, can't let this one stand. Steroids could obviously be used to help
speed recovery from injuries, and it you think about recovery time for a
pitcher who has just been throwing 90
Mike asked:
>Seems to me to hold a track meet in the Astrodome (as is being proposed
for
>the 2012 Olympic Games) would cause a lot of complications as to whether a
>record, or any time for that matter, is recognized as an indoor
record/time
>or an outdoor one.
>Can you count a
>5k run in 1
OK, guys. Cut it out. Now.
Posting private messages up to the list without asking permission,
off-topic banter, and personal insults are all against the charter.
Go off and whack each other in public. If someone from the list repeatedly
posts privately to you and you don't appreciate it, ask
Martin Dixon posted wisdom from Barry Bonds:
>""What players take doesn't matter," Bonds said. "It's nobody else's
>business.
>"The doctors should spend their time looking for cures for cancer. It
>takes more than muscles to hit homers. If all those guys were using
>stuff, how come they're n
Chris wrote;
>9:15+ pm, Girls' 4A 4x400
>1) Lancaster, 3:45.57
>The second Lancaster relay win of the day, Chapple anchoring a
>five-second victory.
Notable for what it missed being - a national record. I split Lancaster at
2:50.2 through 3 legs - but instead of hammering for a record (rem
Bob Henes asked:
>Raleigh 8th grade boy Sandy Roberts ran 4:10.75 for 1500m at Raleigh
Relays.
>Anyone know how this compares to the all time 8th grade list or perhaps
13-14
>year old list?
4:10 - isn't that about what Georgie Clarke ran at age 14 ;-)
Phil
Larry Morgan wrote:
>If you think Title IX is putting a sad end to alot of collegiate programs,
>you won't believe this. In Roselle, NJ, the superintendent of schools
>threatened that if an upcoming vote doesn't come out in favor of a new
>economic proposal, they would cut many of the high s
So I was browsing through the Austin American Statesman agate this
afternoon, and came across this in the "Austin Relays" -
100:
1.Christian, Reagan, 10.00;
2. Schroeder, Westlake, 10.49;
3. Green, Connally, 10.69.
Just for background, I seriously doubt there was electronic timing out
there, an
<< "Don't blame the women for the cutting of men's sports," she said.
"We're
not the ones who pay million-dollar salaries to football coaches." >>
Larry Morgan replied:
>My wife and I argue about this topic all of the time and my angle is this:
If
>hundreds of college football players ear
Bob Schul (yes, that Bob Schul) passed along to me a request that the T&F
list post information on his club, which is looking for elite athletes to
train with them. I've summarized some of the info on the program from the
website:
www.bobschul.com
The program will start on June 1, 2002 but th
As they prepare to host the NCAA's, Coaches McDonnell and Harter at
Arkansas can't be enjoying the firestorm generated by the various bombs
that Nolan Richardson has been dropping in Fayetteville this week. First,
the slightly veiled allegation that Arkansas is a bad place for black
athletes.
Ed Koch wrote:
>The most recent statistics that I've seen is that 38% of high school
>athletes are girls but 53% of college students are women. The
>proportionality test of Title IX is based on the latter instead instead of
>the former (numbers adjusted for the individual college), so if form
>When I saw the original post, I winced as a practicing economist.
If you keep practicing do you get good at it? ;-)
>Contrary to Michael's statement, market forces and the "invisible hand"
>have been generally extremely successful in pushing beneficial economic
>transformation.
I'll agre
Ed wrote:
> In the 1930s, in fact, there was a move in NY State to ban all
> interscholastic sports. Lou Miller, the longtime track writer for the NY
> World Telegram, was scholastic sports editor at the time and, in lkater
> years, would call the people who were pushing that idea "a
> Title IX, conceived as a tool for equality, is a farce and unecessary.
It
> is one of many laws and regulations that allows one group to dictate how
> another group lives (using the big, coercive stick of government);
however,
> Title IX would be a moot issue if educational institutions woul
Ken writes:
>3. Pool our resources. If there is an accomplished vault coach in an
area,
>send all vaulters to him or her for training at an outstanding facility.
Great idea. Now, let's figure out a way to shove it down the NCAA's throat
so that they can amend recruiting roles.
Say there
Trey wrote:
>Certainly, equipment and coaching has improved. Yes, the young man at
Penn
>State was an accomplished athlete who had quality coaching. Accidents do
>happen and coaching or the lack of it is not always to blame. The basic
fact
>remains: Coaching needs to be improved at all lev
Geoff writes:
>Despite Phil's remarks, my recollection is that Brown University - and
>some others? - were held to be in violation of Title IX solely on the
>numbers basis - #1 which Phil cites. Again I'm relyiing on memory, but as
I
>recall, Brown had an otherwise excellent record of c
Ed wrote:
> Well, it has happened. Wrestlers from three colleges--Marquette,
>Yale and Bucknell---have filed a suit against the US department of
>Education, claiming mis-interpretation of Title IX which led to the
>elimination of their sport at their respective colleges.
> There is no wa
John Sun wrote:
>I'm staying away from the drug issue on this one :-)
>However, Masback's comments today in runnersworld.com
>intrigued me. He stated that:
>"USATF just had its best year ever by many measures in
>the year after the Olympics."
>From an athlete performance perspective, I was
First, T-and-F is an unmoderated list. So no, there is no moderator.
There are supervisors. We tend to be doing other things at 1 AM than
reading the list, however.
That said, the rhetoric on this topic is getting well past extreme. And
it's fair to say that parody still has boundaries of go
- Forwarded by Philip Ponebshek/Austin/URSCorp on 02/12/02 01:01 PM
-
Forwarding this from a humor list
ATHLETE WITHOUT COMPELLING PERSONAL DRAMA EXPELLED FROM OLYMPICS
Skier Concealed Adversity-Free Past From Officials, NBC A member of the
U.S.
Olympic ski team was disqualif
Harold asked:
>What are the arguements against having a rabbit for the race?
Depends what you want to accomplish, and how far you're willing to go to
have effective rabbits.
If you go with a half-miler type rabbit, most everyone in the field will
just run their own race, since nobody wants
>Y ask:
>While going through some old issues of T&FN, I came across a Bert Nelson
"Of
>People and Things" column from July 1978.
>Brother Bert writes:
>"During a recent office visit, (legendary New Zealand coach Arthur)
Lydiard
>opined that 2:06 is the absolute limit for the marathon as it
Interestingly, while the RW site doesn't list Ralph as a sub-4 minute
miler, Bob Sevene has an article on Coolrunning where he says Ralph ran
3:55.2.
Now, seeing that Ralph ran a documented 7:42 for 3000 meters at Lausanne in
1979, I'm inclined to believe Sev. But it'd be interesting to find o
http://www.gladwell.com/2001/2001_08_10_a_drug.htm
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I don't see anything wrong with having both long and short course races.
Just not at championship meets.
I was thinking the same.
>I think cross meets can be made more exciting and fan-friendly in many
ways. Adding a short course race is only one >of them.
An Eikiden-type format could be f
Marty wrote:
>Olympic gold medalist Jon Drummond was arrested Tuesday for investigation
of
>transporting marijuana through Los Angeles International Airport.
>more at
Don't check my bags if you please, Mr. Customs Man...
a) I'm sorry, but given the state of airport security these days, WHO i
Randy wrote:
>NOW REPEAT AFTER ME CHILDREN, "It's not about splitting up nationals.."
>...now write that fifty times on the chalkboard.
>It's about introducing a forum for 800 and 1500 runners who would
>otherwise not be running cross country at all.
>Sure, the longer race might lose the occ
Marty wrote:
>The world record-chasing bicycling community -- which in the past seems to
>have felt no stigma to setting world records at high altitude -- was at it
>again yesterday.
Of course, record chasing attempts are something altogether different in
cycling than in running.
In cycling
>From CNN-SI 1966 World Series Flashback...
Davis ran to the center-field fence, turned and reached behind him for the
wire mesh. The ball was coming now, and it was another home run. Willie
bent his knees to coil for the spring, the one that carried him to a U.S.
national high school broad-ju
Alan wrote:
>I wonder if Barry is on nadro? Or better yet, if the pitching wasn't so
damn
>diluted what would either Barry or Micky G have hit?
I'm trying to figure out who the heck Micky G is. I'm stymied.
>My guess is that
>niether would have topped 50. Ponder this:
>There are now 30 ML
Alan wrote:
>I wonder where 2:19:46 would have been 15-20 years ago? 100th?...maybe?
Try 200th.
>Oh how the mighty have fallen. If we had 100 runners running an average of
>140-50 a week with flirtations with 200 how many sub 2:20s would we have?
Can't answer that one - when I was running
on 16/9/01 4:35, Robert Hersh at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This kind of thinking is what's unfortunate. It is morally and factually
> wrong to equate Islam with terrorism. Most Muslims are not terrorists.
I
> certainly hope that our nation's leaders do not make the mistake of
turning
> th
Marty posted the following info:
>15:26.10/13:00.10 - 1. Paul Bitok
>15:26.61/12:56.50 - 2. Luke Kipkosgei
>15:26.63/12:59.97 - 3. John Kibowen
>15:26.70/12:58.57 - 4. Hailu Mekonnen
>15:27.94/12:54.07 - 5. Sammy Kipketer
>15:28.00/12:56.72 - 6. Richard Limo
>15:30.51/12:59.39 - 7. Million Wo
>From an AP report on the GWG 5000:
>Then, they picked up the pace a little with two laps
>remaining, before going to an all-out sprint over the final 400 meters,
>which was run in 51 seconds - extraordinarily fast for a 5,000-meter race.
Except that, of course, it wasn't a 5,000 meter race.
Michael wrote:
>Alan, I yet to see why this is bad. They may have 1000s that burn out or
>get injured, but they have the best top end runners also... as well as
being
>the deepest country in the world. Give me 1000 quality runners and I
would
>rather have 10 guys who can compete with anyone
> I ask you why? Once again, age group swimming is widely popular. You
see
> tennis players begin and even go on the tour at age 14 or 15 (Sampras
beat
> Lendl in the US Open at 19... Capriatti had to be 15 when she was first
> became a stud, etc). No one thinks twice about sending their ki
"How the gentleman from Utah made it easier for kids to buy steroids,
speed, and Spanish fly."
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=3054&mode=&order=0
"Andro 9 is andro spiked with an herbal called tribulus terrestris, which
essentially overrides the pituitary gland in regulating the b
>Gabe = Bob Denver... AB-SO-LUTE-LY!!!
Sure - but not as Gilligan, but as Maynard G. Krebs.
> There is no way Dennis Hopper is Gabe Jennings in an earlier
> incarnation. He
> makes too much sense.
Oof. When I think of Dennis Hopper, I keep thinking of the last scene in
Easy Rider - a sce
Alan Shank wrote:
>If Conway says, "My favorite World Championships meet was Seville," and
>Larry says, "Mine was Stuttgart," there's no argument; no one needs to
>"prove" his preference.
Sounds like a formula for bankrupting bars around the world!
Phil
GH wrote:
>>Air is remarkable stuff, particularly when its oxygen content becomes a
>>factor. The effects may seem so slight as to be inconsequential, but they
>>quickly add up.
Kurt wrote:
>What varies with altitude is the air pressure, not the relative
composition.
> At high altitude th
Kevin asked:
>I'd like to nominate "Run Like Hell" by Pink Floyd from the album "The
>Wall" as one of the best running songs ever. What do you all think.
I'm somewhat embarrassed to remember that "Hungry Like a Wolf" by Duran
Duran was fixed on my mind while I was training for and running m
>What would actually work is to eliminate the last person to cross the line
>each lap.
This is the old "devil take the hindmost" race, which is sometimes run in
indoor all-comers meets.
If you want to really spice things up, do scoring by lap.
For a 5K, for example, you could award 5-3-1
Malmo asked:
>Cruz mostly African ancestry?
Well, heck - if you go back far enough, we're ALL of mostly African
ancestry, right?
>> but the statement that "92 of the top 100 times are held by
>> those of mostly
>> African ancestry" is still wrong... it can only be 82... it's
>> just poor
>>
Umm - the men's race might have been at 27 degrees centigrade (about 80 F)
- and it might have been at 2,000 feet above sea level - but 2:26+ for our
best male finisher is still pretty damned embarrassing.
Now, I'm not going to rag on Josh Cox - hell - he finished the race. But
when the top thr
Larry Morgan wrote:
>I don't think MJ is bad for the future of the sport, although I do think
he
>should take a few tv commentating classes. For example, in the rounds of
the
>4x400, Andrew Pierce had no other place to go than on the outside shoulder
of
>the German runner coming down the home
Ed Parrot wrote:
>While I recognize the value of this line of
>reasoning in ADA cases, I don't think is appropriate to apply to a
>professional sport. I understand that the even if court members agreed
with
>this, they may not have felt that legally they could "alter" the ADA
without
>consti
Randy T. wrote:
>How's this for forecasting:
>If the USATF 1500 proceeds along the typical tactical lines-
>i.e. sit and kick...
>...they will be playing right into Webb's strength...
>...the best way to knock off Webb would be to take it out hard
>and drain the kick out of the kid's legs...
Randy T. wrote:
>Something that everyone seems to be overlooking in
>this debate of whether Webb should stay under the
>tutelage of his HS coach and skip collegiate
>competition (go straight to the "tour")...
Nobody's overlooking any of this. Please don't constructing strawmen to
argue again
Brian wrote:
>One reason might be that if he blows out his Achilles or gets cancer or
has
>an auto accident and can never run again ... Nike won't pay anything for
him
>to attend College when he is 30.
>College expenses for U. of M. out-of-state must be $90-120,000 for four
>years.
Well, I
Ken Parker wrote:
>From today's Edmonton Journal:
>Amazing Numbers: 11-year-old finishes 29th
>Pre-teen Nigel Sharp leaves jaws dropping with time of 3:03:12. But it
>raises the question: what toll does the marathon take on a youngster?
>Comments on someone this young running marathons?
Sur
>>I know they've always had some fast guys in Texas. How unusual is it for
>>the Texas state meet to see 3 times of 21.00 or faster?
Not incredibly unusual (Roy Martin's 20.0 state record wasn't exactly
threatened, for example), but in fairness this year the conditions were
great - winds se
FWIW, Schilling first sub-4 is given as
Mark Schilling 3:58.6 Baton Rouge 09Jun73
on the T&FN and RW 4-minute milers lists.
While the subject of HS milers is afoot, anyone know where Pat Hoffman's
site resides these days?
Phil
List,
I'm eating lunch and reading "The Source" by Trac
Ed Parrot wrote:
>As some may know, in the 19th century 6-day races were an immensely
popular
>spectator sport.
>One of several reasons that the popularity of the races diminished was
that
>the competitors started using all kinds of different stimulants to keep
>themselves going - most of it
A silly rhyming named poster wrote:
>And when the going got tough - in the Toronto 150 and in the
>Sacramento 200 - he (Johson) quit.
So you're saying that running 19.32 or 43.18 weren't "tough" for Johnson?
And exactly what kind of times do you think Michael might have posted if
he'd have h
Here's an interesting article that popped up in a baseball website this
week - an interview with an MLB trainer on steroid use in baseball.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/20010504sixfourthree.html
Phil
btw - for all the flaws with T-and-F - I probably wouldn't have known that
the WR at
Justin wrote:
>I think that the treatment Jon Entine has received on this list has been a
>disgrace. In his recent exchanges he has been painfully accurate, avoiding
>any of the sorts of generalisations for which he was rightly criticised
last
>time.
I agree that Jon's more careful - but he'
Jon wrote:
> I'm simply saying that if he believes that the total explanation for
Kenyan
> success is that "they train harder", he is wrong.
Ed Parrot says:
>Another group I talked with (the Philadelphia group) indicated that they
>only run 70-100 miles per week but they do several hard day
Mike Fanelli wrote:
>I read a brief blurb last week where Tommie Smith was selling his medal
('68
>Oly 200)
>at auction for $500,000...anybody know anything more about this...i.e
where
>it's being auctioned?? E-bay? Sotheby's??
>"Article" went on to say that he's had it in a drawer for thirt
Tom wrote:
>Jon and the list,
>I will throw out a few comments about why there are fewer
>2:15-2:25 guys than in the recent past:
>1.Post collegians have better jobs now than were available.
I don't know about that, but I'll agree that the consequences of being
without Medical/Dental coverage
Marty related:
>There were 201 qualifiers for the '84 men's trials and 225 for 1980, while
>for 2000 the number was 114.
>But you just can't compare simple numbers as the time cut-offs have
changed
>for each Trials, as well as the length of time the qualifying window was
>open.
I don't know
GH wrote:
>i took some splits off the ESPN tape, and here's how Silv and Estévez
finished (as in, pretty damned quick!) for >the last 100, 200, 400:
>Rui Silva (Por) 13.2, 25.7, 52.9
>Reyes Estévez (Spa) 13.57, 26.10, 53.1
Got to watch this on the ESPN telecast, and it really WAS an intere
Conway listed the ways athletes can "cheat":
>Why ?? Because an athlete is trying to get an advantage over those he/she
is competing >against ??
They do that in training.
>Is it unsportsmanlike for a basketball player to commit a legal, hard foul
to gain an >air of intimidation in the lan
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