Maybe giving up the flat 400 was a good idea for Naleya Downer of Texas. As
I make it, she had a PR of 52.32 dating all the way back to 1998.
I think Texas Relays was her 400H debut: 59.16 in her heat, 56.06 for 3rd in
final. (behind PRs of 54.60 and 55.18 for McIntosh Beckford)
putting some numbers to what the Baton Rouge crew did in Austin last couple
of days. (WL=yearly world leader, AL=American)
100: Lee 10.97w (all-conditions: fastest time in world this year; =9, x
all-time college). That's after legal 11.15 in heats that was =WL, AL, CL
100H: Jones 12.90 (WL,
the Keinos
From: jsully13 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: jsully13 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 07:52:40 -0600
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Father-son under 4:10 in high school?
Anyone do it yet? I know the Chapa's are close with Rudy's son running very
well indoors
no need to apologize to me, but if you were truly thinking of going and have
now changed your mind, I think you should apologize to yourself. As my
mother would say, this is a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite
your face.
If you're a member of this list, obviously track is a very
Or they could just buy Macs instead. :-)
(hey, it's a slow day; good opportunity for evangelism!)
From: Rich Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Rich Harrington [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:24:46 -0500
To: Tony Banovich [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL
now available on the USATF website
http://www.usatf.org/events/2003/USAOutdoorTFChampionships/schedule.asp
Actually, TFN's break with the Federation occurred some time in the '50s,
perhaps even with the founding of the magazine in 1948.
I quote from Dick Bank (the HS guru of his day; not to mention noted
curmudgeon) from the 1957 edition of TFN's High School Annual, the
predecessor to Jack Shepard's
From: Kimberley Spir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:59:20 -0800 (PST)
To: Robert Hersh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Kebba Tolbert [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Witherspoon's NCIS HS Record
Why are some records
Mar 2003 08:43:15 -0500
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] uoregon. edu' (E-mail)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Disgraceful conduct at IAAF indoor 200m
Resent-From: e. garry hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-To: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:52:29 +0100
The following commentary
what does it say when U.S. runners are wimpier than figure skaters? :-)
From: Matthew Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:28:56 -0800 (PST)
To: TFList [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: D.C. Marathon canceled because of war, security
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A good friend of mine -- one who has a lot more time to ponder matters than
I -- asked me if the IAAF will ratify Jacobs' 1500 mark of 3:59.98 as a WR.
He didn't think that the adidas Boston Invite
From: Randy Treadway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:08:12 -0800 (PST)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: ???France goes berserk ???Again?
If the article is correct, this smells like more France versus USA politics.
If this
(with disclaimer that since they compete w/ the TFN Rankings I might have
a vested bias against them)
(second disclaimer--if you're not one of the four people in the world who
cares about the women's shot, you might not want to bother reading any
farther)
The rules were changed this year so
If you read my column in the February TFN, you'll see I took a hard shot at
the IAAF for the stupidity of making the vault pegs smaller this year.
Perhaps it's just a coincidence, but looks like a classic case of as ye reap
so shall ye sow: for the first time since 1985 (18 years!) there is no
: e. garry hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-To: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:19:48 -0800
This article from NYTimes.com
has been sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BASEBALL IS DOING IT NOW!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Ritual of Spring: Steroid Testing
March 7
, there will be major
fallout that even the best PR will not be able to prevent.
- Ed
- Original Message -
From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: NYTimes.com Article: New Ritual of Spring:
SteroidTesting
From: Ed Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Ed Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:44:59 -0800
To: track net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Interesting Developments
Then there is brigham Young and its soccer club plan. I found the
comments on this from the usual
NCAA doesn't recognize Collegiate Records; only record business they're in
is meet records.
TFN is pretty much the arbiter on CRs and we most certainly won't be
denying the mark said status. (even though it is intrinsically inferior to
2M times for Rono and Nyambui back in the old days).
gh
IAAF/USATF have always been very conservative about declaring the need for
new records. I think this has been viewed--rightly or wrongly--as just
another in a long line of tweaks to field events. Crossbars used to be
wider, throwing sectors have tightened more than once, use of exotic metals
in
example #4344233422 of why the outdoor version of the sport will be improved
immeasurably by going to Regionals. None of this stupid running for time in
fast meets instead of *competing.* (I hope I don't get banned by the NCAA
forusing that c word!)
From: Tom Borish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:
it was in TFN a month ago.
From: Lee Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Lee Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:00:37 -0600
To: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: NCAA takes away all Boston Indoor Games marks
Nope, it's AM, but I double
if the IAAF Council does vote on this, let's hope that Sergey Bubka either
recuses himself, or votes yes, because a no vote by the IAAF probably makes
Bubka the WR holder forever (well, as forever as anything is in our
sport).
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Date: Wed, 5
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:09:14 -0600
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: The Hardest Thing to do in Sports
By that token, they didn't even list the act that I've long considered the
most difficult in sports - the various
superb question, and one I hope somebody (don't look at me!) has the time to
research pre-Birmingham.
But for a partial answer (I just happeend to be in this part of the
recordbooks at this point), check out the men's hammer in 1980. In May,
Yuriy Syedikh got his first WR, beating Karl-Hans
What I'd really like to see from Giles is a response to your contention that
using reaction times as a correlative to final time is pseudo techno-crap.
Not sure I don't agree with you, but I'd like to hear it from somebody who's
actively engaged in the subject.
gh
From: P N Heidenstrom [EMAIL
nice site: results of this meet being updated constantly, including
field-events, which is always a delight.
well, you know the history of French labor: the website union probably went
on strike. :-)
gh
From: Wilmar Kortleever [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:04:11 +0100
To: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Liévin results
ghill schreef
I'm pretty sure the 26.16 was wind-aided. :-)
From: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:50:08 -0500
To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Going for the Joggler
There's a small item in
From: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:50:08 -0500
To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Going for the Joggler
Essick, 31, was a former decathlete at Missouri Valley College.
OK,
or, more properly, WR
8:04.69 for 2M in Birmingham. Chops about 5 seconds off the old mark, but is
still about 5 seconds short of the 3000 equivalent.
gh
notable yes, incredible no. Conversions between 3000m and 2M are still
voodoo science, to be sure, if you want 100th-second accuracy, but by no
stretch of the imagination is this even an indoor PR for Geb, who has run
7:26 for the metric distance.
Since the Africans took over distance running,
am I the only one who wants to gag when he sees fantastic and paced in
the same sentence?
gh
From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:07:33 -0500
To: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Geb smashes 2 mile WR
Birmingham England .. In a display
30K at Walton in 1965: Tim Johnston 1:32:34.6, Jim Alder 1:33:51.6. Old
record Alder 1:34:01.8.
From: Matthew H Fraser Moat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: Descartes Publishing
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that was rounded up to an even 10th.
From: Dave Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:11:00 -0500
To: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED], track list
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: Historical question
Timing for events beyond the 800 (or at least starting with the 1500
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ghill
Sent: 21 February 2003 21:30
To: track list
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Geb smashes 2 mile WR
notable yes, incredible no. Conversions between 3000m and 2M are still
voodoo science, to be sure, if you want 100th-second accuracy
no, I believe Jon would say that our elementary school kids can't compete
with their fetuses.
gh
From: Jim Gerweck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Jim Gerweck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:09:11 -0500
To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
[EMAIL PROTECTED], 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track
list' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Seneca Lassiter - USATF Investigation Status
Any reason why the process is so slow? It's almost 5
months since the incident occurred. The major sports
would have handed down a judgement in a week
From a release I got from the LOC of this summer's World Champs:
Last Wednesday (5th February), L'Equipe newspaper announced the return
of the gazelle! Marie-José Pérec will be making her big competitive
comeback and is especially eager to take part in the next World
Championships in Athletics,
gee, maybe we should just quit publishing. From January TFN:
Lassiter Discipline Case In The Works
Given the weeks (months) of silence after the World Cup relative to miler
Seneca Lassiter¹s having upset American fans and officials with his ³pacing
job² for Bernard Lagat in Madrid, there were
The reason nobody goes for the World Record is because there isn't one.
Not enough competition in the event for the IAAF to justify giving it WR
status. That race in London is the only women's 4x15 outside of the U.S.
Relay circuit I can ever recall being run.
Wisconsin's averaging about 4:21 is
not be a bad idea.
From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:05:30 -0500
To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Seneca Lassiter - USATF Investigation Status
Maybe it's time for the USATF to open up? No one has ever had faith in
secret
pay no attention to that moron who just posted under my name about the 30K
record. The 1:21:34 for Radcliffe was at 25K, not 30K. Doh!
gh
Note Matsumiya's 1:28:36 WR for road 30K this past weekend. In her
marathon WR, Radcliffe went through 30K in 1:21:34.
USATF release post-Madrid said the punishment could include, a written
reprimand, discontinuation of financial benefits from USATF and the USOC,
and other more severe penalties.
I can't say it with 100% certainty, but I have been told that USATF has the
power to suspend from all kinds of
From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:23:15 -0500
To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you thinkof
Milli Vanilli?
One of the cornerstones of the liberal mind: issues are only
OK, 50 it is. What a win-win situation: you don't have to wax sciolistic and
we only have to pay you a tenth the price!
From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:00:27 -0500
To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now
beholden to go public with the
facts. Names, places, dates, substances. The board eagerly awaits your first
post along these lines.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
gh
From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:28:12 -0500
To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED
you're both right, I think. Lee is spot-on about last year's (and the year
before as well) NCAA team competitions, both men and women. Added a great
backdrop to some killer individual competition.
But I THINK Randy was referring more to dual-meet type competition. That
truly is something that has
Has everyone finally got Marion and Tim and Charlie out of their systems, so
we can go back to talking about real track field issues?
To paraphrase economics, talk about bad talk driving out good. Once
everybody quits one of these beserk drug-driven threads, there's nobody left
to post.
gh
: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:35:58 -0500
To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: can I come back now? It depends...what do you think of
Milli Vanilli?
That's the problem with Track and Field News. You guys incapable
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:18:25 -0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: can I come back now?
Okay, here's one- since NCAA HS stuff doesn't interest me all
that much any more (thus this is a slow time of year).
That big meet
no, Clinger jumped 2.34 in Nampa last weekend.
From: Michalis Nikitaridis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Michalis Nikitaridis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:59:07 +0200
To: \Athletics\ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Athens HJ meet: Sokolovsky 2.33
Andrey Sokolovskyi cleared
almost surely the best astronaut was Ed White, one of the original group.
He was 4th in the 400H in the '52 NCAA (for Army; after graduation moved
over to the Air Force). non-qualifying 4th in his heat in the OT that year.
From: Bob Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Bob Duncan [EMAIL
From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 14:05:45 -0500
To: Track Field List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Lister weighs in
They are crazy, from Graham. Asked Monday if he still felt that way,
Graham said, Yes they
My thanks to the multiple track freaks who are also astronaut freaks!
My misreading of the Ed White bio on the NASA site. He wasn't one of the
seven *original* (i.e., Mercury astronauts). He was one of the 9 in the
Gemini program, which I guess came next.
So, seguing to movie trivia, who did
IAAF lists give his BD as May 30, 1984.
From: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:54:57 -0500
To: 't-and-f@darkwing. uoregon. edu' (E-mail)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Junior world record holder beats own mark
Virtually
or, *to play devil's advocate* (or, if you believe that part of Francis's
writings) Ben was the same caliber as those around him, and when they all
doped, the result was the same, but they just ran faster.
From: Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 04
IAAF site reporting a 4.76 (15-7 1/4) in Glasgow this afternoon.
Feb 2003 01:34:13 -0500
To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: A six month suspension? PICK ME!!!
This is getting ridiculous. A six month suspension? Oh yeah, that'll do
the trick. While you're at it, suspend their phone privileges and send
them
and only the third American (after Slaney and SFH) to do it, period.
From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 17:22:27 -0800 (PST)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Regina record to test WMA sanity
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I have to admit ignorance on how the NCAA works these things, but isn't
there also a number of meets stricture, and if so, will this count against
it, even if the marks themselves are deemed imaginary for Q purposes?
gh
From: John Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: John Rhodes [EMAIL
THEIR DOING SO? I find your viewpoints
distressing and incomprehensible.
Geoff Pietsch Gainesville FL
From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Euro meet directors
oh, probably for the same reason you didn't have '60s Civil Rights hearings
with only Orville Faubus and George Wallace on the commission.
gh (who HATES what pre-Title IX did to women far more than drugs have to
track)
From: Ed Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Ed Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:35:54 -0500
To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Euro meet directors threaten to go nuclear
ANYONE who thinks that drugs in our sport is not destroying it is either
1) an idiot, 2
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/2003/01/31/francis_coaching_ap/
(IAAF offers deal to clear him)
From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:59:43 -0500
To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'track list'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Euro meet directors threaten to go nuclear
Read you load and clear: because pro football is doing it we should too?
Because rock stars
Randy,
There seems to be some fundamental disconnect between what I write and what
you read.
Where did I say we take away all doping controls? That's ludicrous.
Where did I say something that remotely hints that it would be
entertaining to produce a race of chemical/mechanically altered droids?
From: Ed and Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Ed and Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:36:27 -0500
To: \Athletics\ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: That starting rule
I do not run the sprints, and if the athletes all are opposed to it
then the rule
I'm no lawyer, but given the right to work laws prevalent in the civilized
European nations (the kind of statutes that caused the downfall of the
IAAF's original 4-year bans, if I'm not mistaken), depriving the world's top
sprinters of the chance to compete for the huge prize money involved when
Message -
From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: t-and-f: That starting rule
From: Ed and Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Ed and Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:36:27 -0500
I'm well aware of Peter's book. The key phrase is this conditioal one: was
reported to. As I said, nothing documented.
From: Post, Marty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:22:02 -0500
To: 'ghill' [EMAIL PROTECTED], track list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: t-and-f: Brumel
The other day I cited Vladimir Yashchenko's 7-8 (2.34) as the last straddle
WR, but I had a nagging thought in the back of my mind that he had gone
higher, and indeed he did. Indoor WR of 7-8 1/2 (2.35), also in '78.
was a masters jumper, too
Resent-From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-To: e. garry hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:12:00 -0800
GH wrote,
Sorry, Roger, but as I learned it (not in a position to cite any reference
material at this point), you have I backwards.
The scissors
In Francis's defense, one can at least say that he's honest, unlike an
obviously high number of his coaching brethren. He took the fall like a man
and continues to tell it pretty much like it is.
From: Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Kurt Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003
in the discussion of styles used by different high jump WR setters yesterday
I noted that Pat Matzdorf (7-6 1/4 in '71) had used a slightly different
technique, but I wasn't sure of the name. bent-leg straddle is what he
called it. For a perfect illustration thereof, go to the TFN website, check
you mean he should have gone the Pete Rose route?
From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:43:14 -0800 (PST)
To: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Diack taken to task
That's the beauty of having pretty much nothing left to lose...
Dan
--- ghill [EMAIL
But he's already back in the sport, and probably in a bigger fashion than
ever. He certainly hasn¹t' existed in a vacuum all these years. I have
absolutely no evidence regarding this, but I'd fall over if it turned out
that MM are the first significant track people to seek his services
through the
From: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:08:17 -0800 (PST)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Diack taken to task
Who really sympathizes with the IAAF wringing their hands over fears of
having to answer questions about
If you've heard stories (untrue tales can certainly spread like mad on the
net) that TFN has ceased publication, THEY ARE NOT TRUE.
The scoop is this: with the advent of our new free results service, eTN,
what we have done is kill the print version of Track Newsletter. (TN, TFN,
easily confused
last straddle WR setter was Vladimir Yashchenko (SU) at 7-8 in '78.
Coincidentally, he's also no longer with us.
Wonder who the highest living straddler is? Maybe East Germany's Rolf
Beilschmidt at 7-7 1/4?
gh
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003
good illustration to go with the word patronizing next time a new
dictionary comes out.
Can you imagine the head of a professional men's sport talking like that
about a star athlete?
gh
From: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Martin J. Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: Brumel was a masters jumper, too
He asked what the highest non-fosbury was. Did anyone jump any higher
than 7-8 using some of the other methods which were ultimately banned?
Regards,
Martin
ghill wrote:
last straddle WR setter was Vladimir Yashchenko (SU
Can we assume equal treatment from the British press when Mark Richardson
takes his next job?
I don't think for an instant that Mitchell was innocent, but there is the
concept of people serving their time and getting another chance.
gh
From: EAMONN CONDON [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: EAMONN
it'll be on our website tomorrow.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:43:12 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Allen), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (T and
F List)
Subject: Re: t-and-f: Brumel's Obit
In Litsky's obit, he refers to Brumel kicking a basketball
coaches?
Resent-From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-To: gh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:42:06 -0800
In a recent email I saw where Ron Stonich (sic) was coaching as Vassar. If
you combine he, John Goodridge and I would guess Vin Lannanna, you have
quite a group of coaches
From: Bob Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Bob Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:51:29 -0600
To: track list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: UW Indoor Meet Attendance Error
Resent-From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-To: gh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-Date: Fri, 24
into doping coaches
Resent-From: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-To: gh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:41:48 -0800
http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/030122/80/dm35x.html
Coe calls for probe into doping coaches
By Daniel Howden
ATHENS (Reuters) - Twice Olympic 1,500 metres
Thanks to everyone who pointed out that Tiffany Abney is still in high
school. Where the heck were all you guys when TFN carried her as a senior
last year?! :-)
Thanks to a private poster for pointing out what's up w/ Glenn DiGiorgio.
DiGiorgio's older brother is on the throws forum, The ring
As you can well imagine, the research on this was a bitch, but I've managed
to ascertain that last year, when all the NCAA men's field event champions
(including the decathlon) were seniors, means that '03 will be the first
time in the history of the meet (starting in 1921) that there will be no
From: Joe Rubio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: Venue Sports
Reply-To: Joe Rubio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:53:21 -0800
To: Roger Ruth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: National Depth--Hurdles
Roger Ruth wrote:
Topping the men's list
From: Ed Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Ed Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:13:24 -0800
To: track net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: That Dartmouth meet
Borican almost always beat Woodruff on the MSG 160-yard track. He
was more compactly built with a shorter
they're slow to catch on down there at the ole LAT: was reported in TFN in
the September issue last year.
From: Randy Treadway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Randy Treadway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:43:25 -0800 (PST)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: t-and-f: Mo Greene gets a job
In response to intial prodding started by TFN, IAAF has publicly stated
that WRs set in a USATF rules meet are unlikely to be ratified. Even if
no false starts.
gh
From: Randy Treadway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Randy Treadway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:17:57 -0800 (PST)
Sorry, thought it was obvious that the exclusion of records is on a by-event
basis. There's no magical contamination rule in effect here where a
different FS start rule would have any effect on a putter or a vaulter.
Nothing has backfired. U.S. athletes now know before the fact (instead of
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:36:18 -0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: t-and-f: That starting rule
How ironic that Marion Jones goes with a new coach to try to get herself
an elusive world record.
Any statements Marion makes--if
well, I hope the boyz in the inner circle aren't snooping here, but if
there's one thing that links the Golden League folks, across many nations
and languages, it's an astute attention paid to the bottom line. They didn't
earn the term Golden by being stupid.]
Bouncing both of the world's fastest
From: Tom Borish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Tom Borish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:10:21 -0500
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Subject: Re: t-and-f: tf extinct
On another note -- we were shot down from the NCAA and ESPN to provide a
live webcast from the 2003
this story might cause some raised eyebrows in San Francisco. I recall a
story a decade or more ago about the fact that former 49ers had an abberrant
rate of ALS problems.
As I recall, they were looking into environmental considerations at
Candlestick Park as a consideration. Maybe it's lawn
not quite: IAAF would consider for World Records and TFN would consider for
Collegiate and High School Records, but USATF would *not* consider for
American Records. Like the false-start rule, this is a place where the IAAF
and USATF--which is usually pretty slavish in its following of rules--have
anybody have a clue as to where two big-name East Coast athletes have landed
now that their HS careers are over? Glenn DiGiorgio and Tiffany Abney.
Neither are on the recruiting forms we've received back from all the
nation's major schools.
gh
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