I hear you have been looking for me. Give me one more week, and I promise to
be my old onery self.
And I know I have been missed. =)
Darrell
Ok, I have attempted to take the high road, but this topic is demeaning, and
the replies that have been generated by it are shallow, and childish.
Maurice´s intelligence, or anyone elses for that matter, can not be judged by
what you see in the heat of battle. Saying you find him ignorant
Excellent reply! They do not get it. I was there, I understand perfectly.
My athlete has no concern for school, all we had to do was train for the
meet. He no concern for fall training, or the first 3-4 weeks of his
education. He will go home and start school when he gets back. US kids
Oh how the vultures come to the carcass. Where were you when the kill was
alive?
The juniors are of very little importance in the US, with very little
attention and emphasis put on them. Every year the team is made by choice.
Many of the top juniors see the Junior's as a second tier meet.
ANd what sour grapes would I have? My athlete ran 44.66, the second fastest
time by a junior ever. I have no sour grapes to mash.
And I expect all you saw was him kiss the track. Of course, you missed the
looking back, the yelling at the crowd, the "look at me" theatrics that many
on this
1. Kevin Young 46.48! The culmination of ten years of blood, sweat, and
tears. The whole race was a thing of beauty, his easy strides, and confident
demeanor were fulfilling. And it was something that was never done before.
2. Michael Johnson 19.32
No words will ever describe those 19
Actually, yes I did disagree with Marion. But remember she was not allowed
to go by her mother because of a breach of personal contract. I thought at
that time she should have gone to the Games and competed, of for no other
reason than the opportunity may not come around again. And it
Nonsense!!! You make a terrible assumption and so did he. Who says he will
be back in 2004?! Jason Gardener was the best Brit last year, he got sick at
the WC, and got hurt this year, lost to a 17 yr old phenom, who graciously
gave up his spot for him. Dwain Chambers did not medal, Darren
Typo! Sorry.
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In a message dated 10/24/00 5:26:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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As for L-F, no-one has commented for the obvious reason that very few of us
has seen any TV pictures. When we do see it, I suspect that we will see
spontaneous joy at the moment of triumph, rather than a
In a message dated 10/24/00 10:00:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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This is the sort of arrogance which drives non-Americans absolutely nuts.
The fastest US junior this year has run 10.18. MLF has run 10.10, 10.12 and
10.13, the last of those into a headwind. I fail to
Ed's numbers do not tell the true story.
Among youth sports track is still among the top, and that has never changed.
The change comes post HS because of dollars, and American societal pressure
to pursue perceived success in the classroom. I say perceived because many
athletes succeed in
Good money is not defined by the salaries of the pro sports. Good money is
defined by lifestyle and the economy. Good money can be made in track these
days. What is done with that money is a diiferent story.
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Having beat MLF into pulp, I offer another perspective from Chile.
Who most impressed in Chile?
In all of the sprinters, I was most impressed by 1) Veronica Campbell, 2)
Gorries(?) 3) Hamdan 4) MLF
The reason I was most impressed with Campbell is because she ran in Sydney,
then came to Chile
In a message dated 10/26/00 8:51:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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Next they showed the "Jim Gray interview" and they spoke only to Maurice.
Maurice (as far as I remember) was the way Maurice always is ... not much to
get offended over. However, Drummond had the flag
Brian gave a view based on what he saw. Jay asked for a tape of the NBC
feed, I ask that everyone that can get a feed from BBC, so you can see
everything live and uncut. I honestly believe you will see something other
than what is in your memory. I have been with people who outright were
Very true about the German and Jamaican relays. Even some of the Jamaicans
disagreed with the order,a nd I think it cost them the gold also.
I do not see Georgie as a failure i just did not understand the reason for
such a difficult double.
She succeeded just as Marion succeeded!
DGS
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While I have no opinion one way or the other about the truths and the
accusations in this case, one issue always strikes me as irritating. It is
the assumption that we have seen the limits of man. There was a statement in
that article that referred to the exploits of today's cyclists,
In a message dated 10/30/00 6:56:18 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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I agree for the most part, but as I have posted before, there are those
that believe (based on a good deal of research), that the human condition
is actually deteriorating due to our heavy polluting of
Even if that study was to come about it still would not account for the
capability of an above average person. I, humbly, assume that we all agree
we are discussing the top 1% of of humans. And although there are studies on
many of the topics we discuss, I believe that the variables and
What is the issue here? Disclosure by the US or other federations?
Dosxlosure to the public? The assumption that there are secrets? I do not
see where the fight is.
This is the US, and if any of you have forgotten privacy laws are in
existence. Many of which pose a larger penalty than the
It really does not hurt that bad to think sometimes! Bold letters, and easy
accusations, do not a genius make.
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I think this thread has a dangerous assumption, that is not true. "People
run mainly for the money."
Even if we are to accept the cheating, it is about winning. The money has
come and is coming, but the objective is to win. People cheat to win in this
sport. In the times of the East German
There is no need to be shocked by the AOY.
This selection has furthered diminished the validity of the award. Jan had a wonderful year but what set him apart? You can go through the list and find numerous men that had comparable years in their respective events. This selection, and order is a
So are we to expect honorary awards from time to time?
It just sounds like more excuses for bad judgment. If you want to honor someone then create that award, do not deny others of earned glory.
I do not think there is a right or proper means to this dilemma, but something's are unjust, and need
It is not the displacement of blame Malmo, it is the blanket accusations. Run fast, perform well = drugs. That my friend is the problem, not the drugs. More are accused than guilty ever day, and every year, furthering the bs that exist "out there." Here we stand in the sport, and it is the same.
In a message dated 11/30/00 2:24:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In the press release, though, and according to Jack Agrios, chairman of the
Edmonton organising committee, "Much of the audience will not be athletics
experts. I think it's absolutely essential that they be
Asking why more people watch a major meet is simply answered. People are far more aware of these meets. The general public is still learning that track exist outside of the OG, I do not expect them to turn out in the same numbers for Zurich, let alone Gateshead.
The missile sound example I concur
But that is part of the race. It like any other event out there, they all have their nuances, whether you are aware of them or not. If you run hurdles, and hit hurdle ten and fall, too bad. If you run the 1500 and get tripped, too bad. If you are a walker and get caught 3 times in your race, too
Why?
What makes it any sillier than the triple jump, or the pole vault, or the hurdles, or the steeplechase? If you want to call silly in track, it is kind of redundant, we cheer a sport where men and women run around in a circle for sometimes half an hour. We love to see people throw a steel
In a message dated 12/2/00 1:59:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As I have stated before, other elements of the proposed presentation in
Edmonton may be successful and entirely appropriate - if conducted
intelligently - at most GP-style meets. It is my opinion that it is
OK let's eliminate TV. Changes nothing of my argument. We are still addressing the outsider, not the track fan. Thankfully, there are many that have been willing to buy their tickets and travel to Edmonton. But that does not speak to the problem of drawing fans to regular meets.
There is not a
But Garry, given your point what is the difference? You still have to weigh the success of the season not just the OG.
There are always exceptions, and why should we give more weight to a javelin thrower over a walker? If we are to compare, what do we compare? Which is more difficult? Which
Right!
And you are selling the sport short if you believe that every ticket is a ticket to a hard core fan. And yes, the World's are a major event, and there are things that should be tried on the big stage to see if the small stage trials were correct.
Steven you need to get out and talk to
On USATF site they have posted the award winners from the breakfast at the conference. Reading the list raised a few questions and concerns.
The most obvious being, how do we justify giving the outstanding sprint award to MJ? And what is the definition of developmental when I see women that have
Conway you bring up a good point that can be easily answered. As a sprinter you either a 100 or 400 runner. This makes the 200 m a bastard event. The 200 star has always been one or the other, or live in obscurity.
Economics has dictated this recently, but the sport itself has defined this
In a message dated 12/6/00 8:05:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The only sure way to get your proper due is to win your event(s) and get your medals .. Otherwise subjectivity will leave you out in the cold ..
But we find ourselves in a time where subjectivity is
A valid argument, but based on some misconception Conway.
Many of the young men you deem 200 specialist are not, actually I can think of none. The best furlong runners have been one or the other, no real specialist.
If you find someone specializing in the 200, it is pretty easy to discern which
I see your point, but I disagree on a fundamental basis. I do not see these specialist you named improving because they were specialist. Most of the people on your specialist list ran at a time when the 200 was a regularly contested event.
In other words they did all they could do and that is why
In a message dated 12/6/00 2:45:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And sprints has a men's and women's. And within the men's, it is broken
down into each event within the sprints, i.e.. 100m, 200m, 400m.
I do not know if this is correct. I know on the AAC side of things it
Koch, why is it that the men had on sprint award? Who makes the call on what awards are given out?
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Dan I understand your point, as I understand Conway's. But the truth is what it is, just as you say the event is what it is. Very rare is there a 200 runner that cannot excel at either the 100 or 400. The requirements needed to be a world class 200 m runner are borne out of the short and long. It
In a message dated 12/7/00 8:41:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perhaps Darrell the 20 is the King of the sprints with those who are good at it being able to be good at other disciplines as well !! Many great 100 sprinters have never been very good at 200 .. And many great
As usual Conway you make a good argument.
But where is the greatness you speak of if it is neither in the 200 or 400? You have essential presented the same argument for both events. Your points and argument speak to my point, the qmilers are in the 200 trying to be easy. That is a situation that
Conway you are a genius. How do we rank the 200 this year?
Based on season results, Ato is number 1, MJ is number 2, and I would probably go with Oba as number 3. All of which is arguable.
If we go with the OG theme, then KK takes top honors, followed by Ato, MJ and Darren Campbell, and Oba.
How
Now this is an interesting line of reasoning.
Kenteris won one race, ran one race outside of Greece, and you are willing to discount everyone else's season because his victory was the OG.
I do not think he has races to support his tremendous victory. Too many 19.8's, and 19.9's to outweigh.
Curtis Frye has pulled off a major coup. His new signings are simply staggering. If these young ladies can continue to develop SC will be unbeatable for the next 4 to 5 years.
Good job Curtis!!!
12.5.2000
Carolina Track and Field Women's Signing Class Already Hailed as the Best in the Country
Not for the women.
First and foremost they have 17/18 scholarships. The girls you see before you can span 2-4 events at the NCAA level, at the minimum 2. This makes it all the same. Plus, in the history of the women's competitions, the champions have been sprint oriented, for whatever reasons. LSU
What is the basis of your ideas? Your title, your accusations, and your solution are disjointed.
But the better question is what is your fascination with drugs, especially in the midst of such positive TRACK talk?
Darrell
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But you are looking at it from a men's point of view. The women do not have the scholarship issues that the men do.
Very few jumpers do anything other than jump. Less women jumpers double effectively. And you are still only talking about 2 events. These girls that Frye has recruited will score in
This is incredibly ridiculous. If I was a lesser man I would leave this list, but I cannot let the dark side win.
Let me repeat, what Coach Frye has pulled off in SC is incredible! There are no excuses, no parallels, no alternatives. It is simply incredible and something to be commended, not rip
You are right, I should wait.
But are you telling me that what you wrote is how you see the present?
DGS
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Please do not take this the wrong way, but that was the most uninformed answer. More start is not the reason, especially since the start is not the key to the race.
More running is a tricky answer because then I ask where is the threshold?
But "more start" is not it.
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Mike I do not consider you an idiot. I apologize for coming across so crass.
But I still do not see your reasoning. The air is thinner regardless of how far you run. And the record was not broken until Calvin Smith ventured to Colorado Springs, more altitude. So my question still remains, why the
Jesse Owens' LJ wr. I think it lasted forever.(joke)
If memory serves me, it is the longest tenure of any wr.
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Looking over the tainted records of the women made me wonder. Has there been any reason given why the German women seem to have benefited from the drugs more than the men? We are staring at 1:53, and 47.60, but not one German record from the men's side.
DGS
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This topic and article make me think. What is the fascination with downplaying something so elementary, as genetic makeup? We are easy to accept that genetics make up our person, but are reluctant to realize that this same "fact" does dictate some given advantages in life. A 3 year old that can
1) Can someone define this post for me, it is gibberish!
2) Tainted records is not a joke but a documented fact. The German regime is not a rumor any longer, but has been proven and admitted to.
As for your tangent concerning training techniques, as a sprint coach I do not know what you are
Mats, very informing, thank you.
I do not doubt the coaching knowledge of the German regime, but then I ask where are the results, sans drugs? Are we back to the genetics argument? Sounds to me like they do not have the "talent" to compete otherwise. The 400 and 800 are difficult events, but that
Is this the first time the electorate has been changed? Or is this a normal occurrence? Come on, someone keep my rose colored glasses clear.
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In a message dated 12/21/00 7:49:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually Hines ran an auto timed 10.03 in his Sacramento race in 68 .. And
Hayes auto time in Tokyo was 10.05 .. Nonetheless Borzov's 10.07 placed
him right at the mark with the best of his time .. And even
Conway says that the general populace loves distance running, and sideshow says they could give a rats ass about the distance races, even citing the 9900 + 100 meter sprint we all witnessed in Sydney.
I have heard throughout the years that the general populace does not relate to the sprints, but
So what we have surmised is that the US is blamed for everything, no matter what the reasons. Foreign athletes and scientist come to the States for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and the countries they leave blame U.S.
And they say we have propaganda...
BUT, you all may be correct.
Of course I was going to respond, you thought I would not?
While I always enjoy the flow of information, and the adding to my reading list, your suggested contributions would add very little to my pursuits. The very knowledge you wish me to acquire, is the very same information I will always
Oh my I have been taken to class, or is it task?
Dispel was too difficult to express my meaning so I will refrain from using such words.
The nature of your response is lost on me. I asked questions, and I got a grammar lesson in return. You made accusations of my ignorance, and I submitted that
Cheers to Garry!!!
Way to balance out the debate.
Who would have thought Garry would be the one to travel the middle of the road.
Hey, anyone have a track topic to discuss? Any updates on fall training? Any free agent signings?
I think you all will be happy to know that off season testing has
Namely, with the success that HSI has had
in recent years, I imagine a number of athletes approach you and ask to be
part of your group. How does HSI select the athletes it will welcome to be
a part of the team? How many athletes apply? Do you go after certain
athletes or do they all just come to
In a message dated 12/26/00 3:04:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On recruiting .. How about an update on the status of HSI ?? Am I off base or do you all have a few new recruits ?? And are you going to be the first team/club with 3 sub 9.90's ??
Conway Hill
[EMAIL
Armstrong had eight first-place votes and 72 points, while St. Louis Rams quarterback Kurt Warner was third with 34 points. Points were awarded on a 3-2-1 basis. Rounding out the top 10 were Pedro Martinez, Shaquille O'Neal, Rulon Gardner, Jason Giambi, Derek Jeter, Josh Heupel and Marshall Faulk.
Heehee!
OK one Olympic athlete. I know who he is. Just saw him in a milk ad.
So, we still see the cold war as a sore point? Oh well. I guess we need more Russians to compete against.
DGS
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In a message dated 12/27/00 4:59:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
With John being the former 400 man he was I have been looking for something to break in the 400 .. Anything coming in that direction ??
High on the wish list!!! Breaking through in the 400 is always on
OK let me clarify something for all of you that did not have the opportunity to be in Sydney. Rulon was a blip in Sydney. He was not a national hero, and there was very little, extensive coverage of his achievement. So forgive me if his name is not on the tip of my tongue.
It is very well known
Dude, get off my back.
The point is valid and just because you read about it and heard about it, does not mean it was international news.
You are quickly defining yourself, and I suggest you breathe before you respond to anything I write again.
Rulon was a good story, but I know it was not as big
Click here: Statistics of 100 m
If you look closely at the stats presented at this website, you will see an interesting phenomenon. In the years dominated by the US the average is considerably lower. Over the last 10 years, you will see a rise in every year except for 96, and even 96 is higher
I never questioned his achievement, nor the tremendous upset he pulled off. But the issue is track and field and its popularity or lack there of. Anyone who comes to a track and field list and stands on the platform of unbiased objectivity, has lost his way. If I want to discuss my attention to
Tongue-in-cheek
So, Scott you were on the committee, and you somehow garnered a spot. Are we to suspect that Ken, Ken, and Kelly were at that meeting also? Hmmm...
I do not know listers, looks a little fishy to me!!! ;-)
Darrell Smith
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In a message dated 12/29/00 9:16:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ken Bantum - Asst. Coach
Ken Brauman - Asst. coach
Kelly Sullivan - Asst. Coach
Who are these 3? I am familiar with the rest of the Men's coaches, very familiar. But I do not recognize these 3.
DGS
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What a sad day!
For most of my life I have known of Senator Cranston, and became even more of a fan when I learned of the love we shared for track.
It thrilled me greatly to see the Senator make his way around Drake Stadium at the ripe old age of 70. It made me want it, to see him lace up the
(Tongue in cheek)
Yeah Scott. But what about the sudden urge of the nominee to pay back that loan as he leaves the room? The all-knowing glare as they walk out, and let us not forget the not so subtle smile. Man, the pressure is thick in that room. I mean let say one of the nominees is one the 2
For those with tender hearts stop reading now and delete this message...
Randall, I normally laugh off most things on the list, and most of what people say to me, but this time...Kiss my ass!!! I mean that with due intent. I read joke upon joke on this list, most personal, and date back many
Uh oh!
Reality Garry? I believe someone said reality is a matter of perception. LOL
When is the issue due out?
Let me guess, the AOY will be Marion Jones. Am I close? Hahahaha!!!
And the AOY, will be Alekna.
Keep up the good work Garry and staff, I dig at you a lot, but I look forward to my TnF
I'm sure you will never show your face ever at Mt Sac That Scott is wicked Dave Casper Mt Sac vol 43 years so I know Good luck nerd
This is the foolishness that you people write to me.
Let us all clear the air. Scott Davis is my friend. I see him ever year, and if I felt the need could call him
The fall off of top HS athletes is not confined to the sprints, it is a common occurrence across the board. There are hundreds of names we all could bring up in this discussion.
I think it due to physical maturity. The common term is "man-child". From my elementary physiology women mature faster,
Step into my office.
Phil, Kevin 12 stepped in 1992, so we will be looking for our second 12 stepper. IN the 400ih it is a matter of fitness, and experience. Learning the race is the most important aspect of the long hurdles, and it takes time. This is the reason we see so many young hurdlers fall
Part of the problem in the US is the notion that ideas can be force fed to the masses, or that the ideas must evolve from the office.
In any organization the most important part is the grass roots division. In track the grass roots division is waiting for the executives to give them the ideas and
Another facet to this issue is where do these teams/clubs run.
The teams clearly exist, but where are they supposed to compete during the summer, when the elite athletes are running 2-3 times a week?
DGS
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The funniest joke in the world. People that leave in the States cal themselves Americans, as does the rest of the world, but America is a big place.
To answer the question, yes. You can finish 40th, but if 33 of the athletes in front of you are foreigners, you are an All-American.
DGS
The
I did not give this reason much thought before, but now I have.
What crap!!!
If I can watch the Emmy's. the AMA's and watch satellite feeds of acceptance, or hear, "On behalf of..." I can bear an absent athlete. That is not a reason to not give the award to the person who earned it. Personal bias
The issue of paid coaches is a serious one that must be addressed. You cannot expect the best for free, forever. Track has been very fortunate that the love is so deep that coaches donate their time to great success of the sport. But I am living witness that those days are coming to an end.
With
GH has given the forecast, a storm is brewing.
I am confirming the sighting of our seasonal storm. Something wicked this way comes!
DGS
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Thunder and lightning...
Come on guys you cannot be serious about the 200!
This back and forth is the exact reason people, like myself, get so boisterous about the rankings. In 1997, wins and losses dictated the rankings, bumping both Ato and Maurice from the top spot. And over the years there has
CONWAY! OH CONWAY
How could you let me down like that? I expect so much more from you. Oba the only Caribbean since that time to rank?
Hello, think 1997 World Champion. Small Caribbean island just north of South America. Ato has been ranked in the 200 m for the last 6 seasons.
DGS
The
Hahahaha
I was the one who began the discussion of the rankings. GH and I have an
understanding. And I was waiting for someone else to bring it up before I
did. I am the one looked at as a HSI lover, so I have chosen to pick my
spots. But since you asked...
I think it is another example TFN
The inability of a few to make it through a race is not a good reason to
deprive American HSers the development on an international level.
What about the States that do run 400ih? What about those kids? Your
hypothesis flies in the face of reality. All States should run 400ih, it
makes very
In a message dated 1/12/01 11:48:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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Dr. Delano Meriwether, the 1971 AAU 100-yard-dash champion (9.0w), took up
sprinting at age 28, after his graduation from medical school. In 1970, was
a 27-year-old resident at a Baltimore hospital, he was
Ken that exist only in the City section of the CIF. I won the C's 300ih in
1986, and was quite pleased with myself. But I regretted not knowing the
400ih when I graduated. Before going to college I ran a few meets over the
summer, and I was completely lost on the event. The learning curve, and
And it has begun to rain. All reports say the worst is yet to come.
Eddie, what was that statement they made again? Did I read what you wrote
right?
Do not tell me the magazine contradicted itself in one issue.
After I get my copy tomorrow, I will say more
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Where shall we start class?
Hell just jump in, the water is warm.
To put it plainly, what are you guys doing with these rankings?
MJ is the number 2 athlete in the WORLD based on what? A number 1 and a
number 8. Kederis is number one based on one race, but you do not rank
Bernard Williams in
In a message dated 1/14/01 12:08:22 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But let's take the rankings
for what they are worth - entertainment value and enjoyment - and not feel
the need to question people's motives, intelligence, etc.
Ed do not get swept away in the flash flood.
Garry comes to the list to prove the inconsistency of the rankings comes from
the top.
For every argument he has cited numbers, and races, and even head to head
records. Can you believe it? Head to head records. Those same records they
tell us do not factor heavily in the rankings.
Well, see it
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