t-and-f: living overseas

Many of the elite level Kenyans (and other North and East Africans) live outside of their home countries for part or all of the year, every year. Do some research (instead of taking some other guy's word for it on the internet) and you will find that these athletes live in Holland, Germany,

t-and-f: How many POSITIVE TESTS does it take to get suspended?

With all the arguments over whether "speculation" is appropriate or not, I would like to raise an issue that I have not seen anyone else comment on: (It will please some of you to know that all of the following questions are raised on what everyone will agree are facts.) 1. How is it that

t-and-f: Why so sure that you're right?

Robert Wagner wrote: Devers had her hamstring rapped up and whoever saw the race (not many I guess) could figure out that her leg took her until hurdle 6 then she slowed down. With Shishigina stopping at hurdle 2 (nobody said something here) 12,85 was enough to win the race for whatever reason.

t-and-f: Pre

I have so far stayed out of this dumb speculation on Suzy F-H ... as it is clear from looking at video and still photos that her form breaks down noticeably in the last 200m particularly of every tough race she runs. Notice this in: 1) The photo in TaFNews (November) of her 1:58 (seventh place)

t-and-f: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:52:52 -0400

John Treacy won the silver in the marathon in 1984 in his first marathon ever I believe ... one of the fastest, most competitive marathons ever in the Olympics (three under 2:10). That was just 16 years ago (not 46) ... but something happened 3 years later that made it almost impossible to win

t-and-f: RE: Olympic Marathons

the muskulo-skeletal system too much to attempt 2-3 rounds of a 5k after doing the 10k ... not to mention attempting the marathon. -Original Message- From: Justin Clouder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mcewen, Brian T' Subjec

RE: t-and-f: RE: Olympic Marathons

ge- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 1:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: RE: Olympic Marathons In a message dated Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:10:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROT

RE: t-and-f: RE: Olympic Marathons

the 10 and I think gets bronze in the 5k ... and he is the BEST of the last 7 years. Once in the last 12 years, with only partial success VERSUS many, many successes in the previous 20 years ... it doesn't add up. -Brian McEwen On Mon, 16 October 2000, "Mcewen, Brian T" wrote: The ability

RE: t-and-f: Drugs and the sprints

Whoa ... "not a great improvement"? Witness the WR of Ben Johnson ... a time .20 ahead of almost everyone else in history who ran the 100m at sea-level with fair wind. You guys know that sub-10.00 at sea level used to be rare. How can you characterize a .20 advantage as "not great"? And, yes,

RE: t-and-f: RE: Olympic Marathons

Many drugs were available to these competitors during this period ... just not EPO. Read the original message and you will see that I never said the spectacular doubles (and triples) were accomplished without perf. drugs ... I just said that the drug with the greatest enhancing effect (EPO)

RE: t-and-f: Who wants to be a millionaire?

Mo will aggressively win the "fastest-finger" question ... only to embarrass himself with an inappropriate "victory" celebration for winning $1000. Normally, you would be correct, he would leave with only $100. But, they "dumb" the questions down for special episodes ... they did for the

RE: t-and-f: RE: Olympic Marathons

Alright ... Reading over the many, many responses ... I'll just acquiesce that: lack of doubling in the Olympic 5k and 10k is really due to something else that I don't understand. Like one person said: maybe it IS the greater concentration of top runners at the highest levels of the 5k/10k.

RE: t-and-f: Drugs and sprinting

That was Charlie's metaphor for needing to dope at the highest levels of sprinting ... because other people were doping. That is what Charlie said, not me. I did not intend to convey that drugs give a 1 meter advantage or that Charlie said that, or that a doped Ben Johnson could finish 1 meter

RE: t-and-f: RE: Olympic Marathons

This on is just tooo easy. Geb only did the double once (in 1993, NOT 1995, and he got SILVER in the 5. Get your facts straight) because it's too damn hard. He had to run his ass off to beat Tanui in the 10,000 (after Chelimo pushed the pace) and then had to come back in the most amazing

RE: t-and-f: chicago marathon

-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 7:21 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: chicago marathon Yes, it was a good day in general for the Americans, and there were some notable crash-and-burns among the foreigners. Americans ran more

RE: t-and-f: Trivia: why not much improvement?

There has been essentially no significant improvement in the last two decades. My only conclusion is that EPO has little effect on a distance that short. Paul Yes and No ... At the time (1979 and 1981) Coe's 800m records were considered far out of reach for the rest of the world. So, while

t-and-f: EPO and recovery

How is it that EPO enhances recovery? Perhaps someone who is doing more than speculating can answer this. Perhaps an athlete who has used, or a doctor or a scientist. I have never used the drug (or any drug), but EPO ONLY increases red blood cell concentration in the bloodstream. Since when

RE: t-and-f: Showboating

What we saw: I watched the 4 X 100m on NBC and I believe I have it on tape (unsure because I hope I never have to see it again). Anyway, after the race finished this is what was shown on TV: the four runners gathered on the infield with Drummond in front (with his skinsuit pulled off his

RE: t-and-f: EPO and recovery

Yes Michael ... it makes sense ... and I understand Glycogen depletion. However, that is NOT how training works. If we take you as an example, there is natural "YOU" , and you on EPO. Once you are on EPO, your hematocrit raises from a probable 42-46% up to whatever you and your doctor want to

RE: t-and-f: When the lying had to stop

Steve wrote: This was the key statement. Vayer had considered it carefully beforehand. His training is in physiology and he claims that scientific tests can accurately establish the capacity of the human body; that is, the capacity of a clean athlete. "What is being achieved in professional

t-and-f: Cottrell Hunter .... retiring?

Last night (10/31/00) Marion Jones appeared as a guest on The Late Show (Letterman). At the end of the interview, Letterman asked her about what "the deal was" with her husband, regarding his doping positives made public during the Sydney Games. She (as anyone would expect) was uncomfortable

FW: t-and-f: Not EVERYONE is doping

ROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Not EVERYONE is doping In a message dated Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:04:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Substitute "distance running" for professional cycling in the last sentence and you have the ESSENCE of the reason for m

RE: t-and-f: Not EVERYONE is doping

So, Drew, based on the below progression of the WR (roughly 60 seconds every 20 years) how long before man breaks 00:00.00? In my lifetime, will we see a 23:30 10k? Good one. If I have riled you up, that is tough for you. Keep the putdowns to yourself, or send them to me only. I haven't

RE: t-and-f: Not EVERYONE is doping

Justin says: When we can show that the record is improving by a smaller margin with each succeeding 20 yr period, we'll be able to make some intelligent predictions (rather than simple assertions, which is all you've managed so far). You can make the WR's say whatever you want them too ... if

t-and-f: Not EVERYONE is doping

Mike wrote: I recently made a really bad analogy. No I don't equate cocaine and epo as easily acssible. I was just trying to point out that saying some country or that individual is too poor to buy drugs can not be used as a blanket defense. That is all. No you didn't ... you made a great

t-and-f: Fun with elite 1500m/marathon PR's

Looking over the intriguing list that Peter has put together at the bottom ... I noticed that the short list of women under 4:10/2:30 fell into mostly two categories: 1] Runners who ran their 1500m/marathon PR in the SAME YEAR (or one year apart): Qu Yunxia, CHN, 2:24:32 from 92 and 3.50,46

t-and-f: Competitive Range for Men ... 1500m/Marathon

MEN UNDER 3:42/2:15 It depends on where you draw the line for "Elite" men's performances ... but if you draw it at something like the cutoff for Peter's female list, then I nominate two Americans off the top of my head: George MalleyUSA, 2:11:xx from 1985 and 3:40.xx from 1978 (I think)

RE: t-and-f: Competitive Range for Men ... 1500m/Marathon

? from 1976. -Original Message- From: Post, Marty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 8:34 AM To: 'Mcewen, Brian T'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Competitive Range for Men ... 1500m/Marathon Looking at a slightly, but not much different event - the one mile

t-and-f: Footlocker Regionals QUESTION

Maybe a coach or former athlete can answer this question. I looked over the results of the Footlocker Midwest Regionals for Boys and Girls last night. Off the top of my head, it took a 15:17 to qualify (top-8) for Boys and a 17:54 to qualify for Girls. The winning times (less important)

t-and-f: Use a simpler test to wipe out EPO.

Eamonn Wrote: A test to detect the performance enhancing drug erythropoietin (EPO) should be in use during the 2001 world championships in Edmonton, Canada, the International Amateur Athletic Federation (IAAF) council was told yesterday. "It's almost certain, but the final decision belongs

RE: t-and-f: Hematocrit and EPO

The reason the UCIsuspends riders for two weeks has more to do with Police finding 500 vials of EPO in the back of a compact station wagon crossing the Belgian border in 1998, and nine Festina riders all admitting to systematic team-wide use of amphetamines, corticoids and EPO, each rider

t-and-f: RE: There's an even simpler test for EPO.

e- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 1:46 AM To: Mcewen, Brian T Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: There's an even simpler test for EPO. I agree that athletes should be tested for hematocrit levels and that should not be allowed to compete

RE: t-and-f: RE: There's an even simpler test for EPO.

You are all correct ... however, none of us is making that decision or setting that limit. I stated this only because that is the standard used in pro cycling. And, we should remember, that medical guidelines are used as ranges for what would be considered "normal" on a test result for a blood

RE: t-and-f: RE: There's an even simpler test for EPO.

Ben wrote: Please cite your sources on the below statement. At least part of it is inaccurate. EPO is a banned substance by UCI. Any admittance of use would lead to a doping suspension and not just a health suspension. I have never read this in the press. Did I miss it? If so, where was it

RE: t-and-f: German women

gh wrote: Using the Entine yardstick, Munich winners like Kip Keino, Lasse Viren, Rod Milburn and Viktor Saneyev were also doo-doo because they don't rate highly on today's all-time lists. Viren is white and has no East African ancestry... therefore, like Borzov he cannot "overcome" his

t-and-f: Track books

Before I check with TaFNews to see if they have any of their "golden oldies" of track books, I thought I would check with list to see if any of you have books that you no longer have a use for, or want to clear out your book shelves. I recently picked up: Road Racing (Heinonen's) Anabolic

t-and-f: the Jesse Owens award

Perhaps the Jesse Owens Award is not meant to indicate who was the "Woman of the Year" ... As you say the IAAF, and USOC already proclaimone ... TaFNews proclaims one also (which Marion will likely win also) ... If all the awards mentioned were intended to go to the single man and woman

RE: t-and-f: Borzov and the Jesse Owens award

The Greatest of all time wrote: And everyone thought the current crop of sprinters started this air of clowning, and bravado. It has been, and will be a part of the game. Borzov was mild when posted against Carlos, C. Green, etc. I wonder, was the demise of civilization

RE: t-and-f: Re: Rulon Gardener

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 1:04 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: t-and-f: Re: Rulon Gardener OK let me clarify something for all of you that did not have the opportunity to

RE: t-and-f: walkers 10k times

Mike Rohl wrote: I was told once that the East German who finished Second at the 83 worlds was a former elite walker. Maybe Wayne of G.H. can confirm this story. The guy in question is Werner Schildhauer, who developed at the same time as Hansorg Kunze. Both were 5k/10k guys and I recall

RE: t-and-f: Re: Rulon Gardener

e! Will work harder to talk track! Sincerely, Brian McEwen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:45 PM To: Mcewen, Brian T Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Re: Rulon Gardener

RE: t-and-f: Why the lack of improvement

This indeed does seem to be the case (the top-level HS girls continuing at that level compared to a smaller rate of top-end HS boys who are able to persist there). One of the reasons that has nothing to do with physiology or maturation is that many Top-10 type HS sprinters (male) very often play

RE: t-and-f: Why the lack of improvement

Kim Mortensen got a stress fracture of the spine as it says here ... but she spoke publicly that she got it because she was anorexic, and had very low bone density. She also said that her career was finished at 20. The brief interview was in TaFNews ... winter of '99 I think. I remembered it

RE: t-and-f: Why the lack of improvement

This is what is scary about the potential of Dathan Ritzenhein. He just turned 18 (12/30/00) so he cannot compete as a junior athlete when he is a college frosh. But, he reportedly is aiming for the World junior XC Championships (and the trials of course) inFebruary and March. He is only

RE: t-and-f: Why the lack of improvement

Absolutely true ... but this has been going on ever since there was a high school track team. Look at every year for the last 40 or so ... and I bet you will find 3-5 4:03-4:06 miler type runners that never end up being the next Jim Ryun or Steve Scott ... many of them never end up being

RE: t-and-f: Why the lack of improvement

Their honor role for milers reads like a Who's Who of high school milers with a slew of individuals in the 4:04 to 4:06 range .. Numerous state champs .. The works Three of those guys (all in the 8:45 range for 3200/4:04 for 1600) have all said publicly (on TnFMedia.com board) that they drank

RE: t-and-f: NCAA ALL AMERICAN.....

Part of the rationale has to be that in 1981 (I think) Scharsu was the top American and I think he was SEVENTH, or maybe he was fourth, but was the only American citizen in the top SEVEN. One of those I think. The prevalence of foreign 27 year-olds was pretty high at the time. If the NCAA

RE: t-and-f: Re: Clubs

There is no club environment for a 21.00/1:51/4:05/14.00 hurdles/ level athlete in this country after college ... because there is NO destination for this athlete, competitively. If a man has reached the 1:51/4:05 level by 23 (after, perhaps redshirting a year) it is highly unlikely that he

RE: t-and-f: 110mH - Stagnant event?

gh wrote: and track races which probably owe as much as improvements in track/shoe technology as they to do to new-and-improved athletes and I think the WR curve basically stopped almost 10 years ago now. I can't speak as expertly on the field events or the sprints ... but there has been an

RE: t-and-f: close finishes

percentages might predict due to the "artificial" closeness (i.e. based on tactics, not raw ability) of the race until its late stages. Dan --- "Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a 100m race, a 1/10th of 1% difference in ability (.001) results in a .01 time differenc

RE: t-and-f: Re: Clubs

A very good barometer of the degree to which Garry's assertion is correct is US. "US", as in you and me, the people on this list. Most of us can be described as coaches, athletes, former athletes, journalists or just fans. You have a lot of casual fans in this country of College and pro team

RE: t-and-f: 400H

Watch the average HS boy or girl struggle over the last 50-100m of a 300H race and then imagine them in that same state ... but still with 100m of hurdles to jump and you'll know why few States have made the switch. It is the same reason why most HS steeplechases are 2000m and we still run the

RE: t-and-f: Are there video tapes of the Olympics TF

Maybe they should have called the tape: "America's Quest for the Gold." What Bastards. -Original Message- From: Kurt Bray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Are there video

RE: t-and-f: 400H

DGS wrote: . All States should run 400ih, it makes very little sense to run anything else. Especially, when outside of HS competitions the athlete will have to run the 400ih, and they train for the 400ih anyway. Right ... so it makes very little sense for them to be running the 3200m

t-and-f: Good Rankings!

I have no internet access at work (so I cannot check the rankings) and I have been to the bookstore twice ... but still NO TafNews yet ... so I cannot really talk too much about these issues ... However, something just hit me. A handful of you are vigorously complaining mostly that the 200m

RE: t-and-f: rankings

I think that the Ranking criteria is (from memory): 1) Honors Won 2) head-to-head Record in Competition 3) Sequence of Marks If you "did well" in all three categories ... you probably meet your goal of #4. Being Consistent. So, unless I did not remember the ranking criteria correctly ...

RE: t-and-f: XC Trivia

Can anyone post a long-term progression of the WJR's for men for the Steeple, 5k and 10k? Franklyn Sanchez (who ran the WJCCC last year) and Ritzenhein are as good as the four Americans who won back in the 70's ... maybe better. But, Kenya has juniors over the last few years that have broken

RE: t-and-f: where are the jumpers (was Top 10 lists?

Conway wrote: .. I am very gung ho on the sport but I too am almost to the point where I believe Kenya will be ahead of us in the not too distant future if something doesn't happen soon ... Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where will Kenya "be ahead" of the US, excluding the events they already

t-and-f: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:11:00 -0500

I was sent the following from the Michigan track and field list. It is not meant to stir up drug controversy. I am actually curious about how John Walker is doing. I remember reading something about him being very sick. But I don't remember how long ago I read it, or what he was ill with. Does

RE: t-and-f: Walker

minute milers first posted by Mcewen, Brian T. I should not have given it another airing, but I was furious that the original poster claimed that he was doing nothing wrong because he didn't write it. Spreading the libel is as bad as starting it, and foolishly I spread it further. I don't know John

t-and-f: WR-setting non-participants

While reading over some indoor record lists I perused the World Indoor Records ... noting the 3000m record by Daniel Komen of 7:24.xx. He also set the 5k World Record a few years ago ... and still holds the outdoor 3k and 2 mile WR's. The reason it was interesting, is that Komen has never run

t-and-f: RE: WR-setting non-participants

ist. Keep in mind I don't have net access at work to check this. -Original Message- From: Mcewen, Brian T Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 3:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: WR-setting non-participants While reading over some indoor record lists I perused the Wo

RE: t-and-f: Millrose Games Info

Mike Rohl: Now you are just harassing somebody. He didn't type out the entry synopsis with Olympians asterisked for our benefit ... it is clear that this message was just pasted in for our enjoyment (probably from the Millrose site). And if Walt *DID* type all that in for us ... GOD BLESS HIM

RE: t-and-f: RE: WR-setting non-participants

Bayi made it in 1980 ... a silver in the Steeple. He is Tanzanian ... he and Nyambui won medals in the Moscow Games. He probably was part of the boycott in 1976 ... because I believe that was an "all-Africa" boycott. He missed a matchup with rival John Walker. I don't think there was any

RE: t-and-f: Bob Kennedy/NY Times

Another way to look at this too, is that there have been many other Americans over the years who were marginally faster than Todd Williams (Virgin, Salazar, and Nenow) who raced in road races fairly frequently ... sometimes it may have been to their benefit ... sometimes not. Indeed, T-Will

RE: t-and-f: Bob Kennedy/NY Times

Ed parrot said: As more high school coaches and parents began to come from a road racing background and fewer kids trained really hard, the number of kids who aspired to become great diminished. @@@ Erik Heinonen and Seth Pilkington would disagree with you. I would too

t-and-f: debut WR's

Last season it had been reported that the "record" for a first-time track 5000m might be the 12:50.xx by Ali Saidi-Seif ... but it was later discovered that that he had a previous outing of 13:38 or so. Mark Carroll had a debut time of 27:46 in his first 10k race on the track: Stanford [Irish

RE: t-and-f: A Double Decathlon Down Under

I couldn't compete ... but I would pay money to see a group of good sprinter/thrower types (or actual decathletes) run the 800, 1500, 3000, 5000, 1, Steeple, 200mH, and 400mH all on a track over just two days. I am not sure that could be done by anyone but a fairly good distance runner.

RE: t-and-f: Best Debut performances

Nenow ran the 27:20 AR at Brussels, later in that season. He claims that after the drubbing by Aouita, he hooked up with a British coach (Alan Storey I think but don't remember for sure) and started doing interval work for the first time in a long time. He did this to attempt breaking the four

t-and-f: testing procedures at WCCC

I was sorting old magazines and came across the story of the 1985 World Cross Country Championships (where Lopes won his third title and second in a row). In the article they said, "While Lopes was being led away for blood testing ..." I always believed that NONE of the major championships in

RE: t-and-f: Will this race be valid for record ratification?

When the "outcome" of the race is a forgone conclusion the predetermined winner is allowed to focus only on the time and the even pacing that usually yields the fastest time for a given athlete. This is clearly an advantage, and from what the press release said is clearly what they were planning

t-and-f: Rit'z chances ... NO PENN OR STANFORD

Dan wrote: Ritz should run a senior race (doesn't matter which one) so that he can go after the high school 5K record at the Stanford Invite instead of going to World Cross and then running the 5K at Penn. This suggestion is purely a selfish one of course, since I live walking distance from

RE: t-and-f: Rit'z chances ... NO PENN OR STANFORD

: P.F.Talbot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 4:25 PM To: Mcewen, Brian T Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Rit'z chances ... NO PENN OR STANFORD The guy really doesn't have anything to prove in Michgan high school meets does he? Why not just tell the MHSAA

RE: t-and-f: here's a wild thought...

Grote wrote: For what its worth (really nothing) I believe that he is pretty freaking good, better than any HS kid I've ever seen come along. When you consider performance in both track and XC in HS only, AND performance over four years... I think only Virgin and Lindgren can legitimately be

RE: t-and-f: Khannouchi Out Of London??

KK is a millionaire ... when you run 2:08, 2:05, 2:08, 2:07 in the marathon and run several high profile road races a year ... you have plenty of money to eat. Believe it. He may not have enough money for a third home (yet) ... but he has plenty of money to eat all year round. I agree with

RE: t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country

R.T. said: if all they have is a 12K race, everybody from Steeple specialists and shorter (middle distance) simply won't run. They view it as a distraction to adjust their "off-season" training for such a different distance. Even some 5K runners may be tempted to skip it. I see where you are

RE: t-and-f: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 08:53:55 -0700

posted (by me) on 2/13/2001: Anyway, back to the original question: Runyan is likely capable of 15:10-15 ... especially on a fast track ... sothey better settle this question of whether it will constitute a "record" before the gun goes off. This was not too difficult to predict (so I

t-and-f: Rockford alumni start impressive record

This was sent to me from the MI track and Field list: Emily Blakeslee, formerly of Rockford, now of Northwestern, has qualified for the World Junior Cross-Country Championships by finishing 5th in the 6k race in Vancouver, Washington, today. Women's Junior Results Laura Zeigle 21:18.4 Victoria

RE: t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country

D] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country --- "Mcewen, Brian T" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over history, there have been many, many steeplers who ran high level 12k races in the winter. [snip] but the steeplers and 5k runners should be in the 12k race. Hav

t-and-f: Short/Long course cross country

Dan, I don't want to add more fuel to the fire ... what you are saying is for the most part true, and this whole discussion is really a matter of perspective and opinion. But, even the most elite milers run a lot of aerobic endurance type workouts. In the "off-season" (when he ought to be

t-and-f: Quiz Time: All-time depth of marks for 10km

Several runners have stated their intention to target the AR for 10,000m this season. And we have several capable: BK: 12:58/27:38 PR Culpepper13:29/27:39 PR Keflezighi13:11/ 27:53 Rodgers 13:18/27:55 Abdirahman27:46 Khannouchi ? While they all need to improve by 20-30 seconds to

RE: t-and-f: Feofanova 4, 65 m. European Record

Iquickly figured out that the 4.65 m was 2 inches under Dragila's recent WR ... but it took a calculator. : -) -Brian McEwen -Original Message-From: Michalis Nikitaridis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:31 PMTo: Roger Ruth; Track Field

t-and-f: Imperialist Throwing (Long)

Kurt Bray wrote: Garry is right. The more inaccessible and arcane we make the sport, the fewer people we will have following it. It's as simple as that. While I certainly appreciate the reasons that the sport at the highest levels is conducted and followed in metric units ... and I

RE: t-and-f: So you understand...

Mats wrote: One more thing. I watched the Athens (Pireus) meet on TV tonight. It's sad to see a top class meet the despite world leading athletes still shows such bad arrangements. Dude ... you got to see a track meet from another country on a Wednesday night? I should have it so bad! That

RE: t-and-f: Imperialist Throwing (also long)

Justin wrote: The US has had a decimal currency for 000s of years - did you know that the dollar was the world's first decimal currency? - whereas in the UK we had pounds, shillings (12 to the pound) and pence (5 to the shilling) until 1971. It is not the decimal system anyone has trouble with

t-and-f: All-Time sub-28:00 10k's ... U.S. and World

Doing a little tabulating to answer my own trivia question, I came up with the following: American sub-28:00's: Nenow 11 82-89 Salazar 9 80-84 Virgin 7 76-80 Shorter 5 72-7? Plasencia 4 ? Eyestone4 ? Williams

RE: t-and-f: can you justify metric measure?

This has nothing to do with track ... but I have had to read it several times now so I need to shoot this down. I used to manage a Bike shop and all bike measurements for pro road bikes are done in centimeters. I did about 80 "pro bike" fittings while I was there. Every time someone

RE: t-and-f: British sprinter declares innocence after positive drug test

Skeete said: ''I accept there is a positive finding in my sample but I did not knowingly take this sample,'' he said. not knowingly take this "sample"? I should hope you would not drink your own pee. And, should the world start characterizing this type of rebuttal as the "Baumann

RE: t-and-f: Trials Dates(wasSACTO TRIALS: GOOD NOT SO GOOD

You are right about all this scheduling jazz ... except that after this year's debacle .. and three years to plan for it, the US will have three guys go under 2:14 in the marathon and we will have 3 guys go to the games. I am less knowledgeable about the state of women's marathoning right now ...

FW: t-and-f: can you justify metric measure?

I apologize for posting this twice but it makes little sense unless the text at the top is included. Darrell wrote: Subject: Re: t-and-f: can you justify metric measure? But Garry metrics are not a foreign language just rarely used. We all were faced with it in school, and see it

t-and-f: Origin of standard metric distances

Q: I have a question, why do we have 1500, not 1600? And 3200 instead of 3000 as a regular event? And where did 5000 evolve from? There seems to be very little relation between the distances. I believe that the distances (in England and the US) when track was developing around 1875-1900

t-and-f: 400/800 question

Fastest in the NCAA this season, last season, and every other season. Having never competed in the 400/800 (at a high level), I am curious about something. If Pierce can go 45.46 indoors in February ... doesn't he have a good shot at going well under 45.00-flat by outdoor season ...

RE: t-and-f: Tergat Out Of World Cross!

Q. from Ed: How many marathoners have won world cross since then, or even placed top five? H ... Lopes was not technically a marathoner. Similar to Shorter, he just happened to be great at it. Though he was marathon WR holder in '85 and for a few years after, he had competed at 10,000m

RE: t-and-f: Origin of standard metric distances

Darrell asked: I am beginning to wonder about this list and its powers of comprehension. :-) None of the answers put forth have begun to address the question. English standard of macro measurement: Mile Metric standard of macro measurement:Kilometer Standard English racing distances:

t-and-f: WCCC winners since 1973

World Cross is just over three weeks away. Last year saw the emergence of 5k/10k star Mourhit in a very narrow win over 5-time winner Paul Tergat, who had been gunning for a SIXTH-straight title. Tergat and the whole Kenyan 12k team were hampered by disagreement over final selection of the team

t-and-f: Well-water and losing 9 pounds.

Elliott wrote: For instance "a mere 2% drop in body water" is 2-3 lb of water; that's a lot of sweat. This reminded me of something from a long time ago ... when I was just starting to run 70-mile weeks (1982). I ran for 1:45 on Sundays ... eventually 2 hours by the end of the summer. This

t-and-f: caffeine suspension and insertion

Caffeine (at a certain level) is a banned substance in pro cycle racing ... Gianni Bugno (multi-time World Champion and Tour of Italy winner) was found positive for caffeine in 1994 or so ... he and Italian cycling officials lobbied very hard to get his 2-year suspension reversed or commuted

t-and-f: FAT weight

Dan Asked: Any idea how much weight loss is due to burning calories and producing heat? The formula is 3600 KCal per POUND of Fat ... OR a pound of fat provides that much energy. A "high" rate of energy consumption would be around 20 KCal/minute for a larger man ... Average training effort

t-and-f: Big spring marathons

Does anyone know which top Americans will be running in Boston or London ... or any of the other big marathons before May. I know there aren't really "top" Americans in a world sense ... just the ones that are at the top in the U.S. K. Khannouchi has opted out of London, but Todd Williams seems

RE: t-and-f: `Real' cheats prosper claims drugs chief

Darrell wrote: What people will not talk about is the fact that sports is the only arena where the employees are subjected to random testing with minimal recourse. Not so ... where I work I can be tested anytime without warning or reason, only with reasonable suspicion. From our

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