Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-13 Thread Jon Entine
Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jon Entine > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:46 PM > To: Track and Field List > Subject: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running > > > Thought this would pro

RE: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-10 Thread alan tobin
quot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'Jon Entine'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Track and Field List'" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Run

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2001-08-10 Thread Mcewen, Brian T
<<< Or is there some sort of East African/North African or whatever argument can be crowbarred into a set of statistics which clues us in that Coe and Ovett have genes originating in some other world? >>> They were from some other world alright.

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2001-08-10 Thread Runtenkm
I'm wondering if the British genes are just not as good currently as they were in the Coe/Ovett era. Let's face it - if the British had produced another generation of Coe's and Ovett's including a natural progression of improvement they would be running right with the best the world has to offe

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-10 Thread Ralf Linnemann
Is it really necessary to quote the original message in full length to every follow-up only to add an one-liner? I am receiving the t-and-f digest and it is irritating to wade through the same hundreds of lines over and over to spot the reply. Ralf Linnemann

RE: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread malmo
Dan, you live in Oregon. There aren't 50 black kids in the entire state! malmo > > Nah, you'll have to do better than that. There's no question > that there is somewhat of a reverse discrimination against > whites when it comes to sprinting, but I very much doubt > there are 10x as many bl

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
Tom D. wrote: > I think the meaningful part applies to the notion that British athletes > should train harder as Coe suggests in order to beat the Africans. If the > reason for training harder is solely to beat the Africans then the numbers > Entine quotes are meaningful, but if the reason for a B

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread Dan Kaplan
-- "Michael Contopoulos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And jon-boy, for every 10 black kids that sprint, probably 1 white > kid sprints... because of a$$'s like yourself who discourage them. Nah, you'll have to do better than that. There's no question that there is somewhat of a reverse discrimin

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread Tom Derderian
58 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running > > We are talking population genetics. When 7 percent of the world's > population > > holds 98 percent of the top times in sprinting, and 5 percent holds more > > than 70 percent of the top endurance tim

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread Ed & Dana Parrot
> We are talking population genetics. When 7 percent of the world's population > holds 98 percent of the top times in sprinting, and 5 percent holds more > than 70 percent of the top endurance times, it is meaningful. "statistically significant", yes. "meaningful"? I have yet to be convinced it

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread Jon Entine
Michael: I suggest you get hold of a good genetics book, such as Luca Cavalli-Sforza's The History and Geography of Genes. It will give you a little understanding of how population pockets evolved and the role of genetics in shaping phenotypes--characteristics--of body type and physiology. In fa

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread Michael Contopoulos
Hey John, I suppose the up and coming Spanish runners are African, huh? I wish I could say that it was America's turn to take back distance running, but it appears as though Spain is headed in that direction. Prediction: by 2008, at the latest, the best middle and long distance runners in th

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread Randall Northam
Years ago, in the late seventies, a certain Steve Ovett attended a coaching seminar where the lecturer said that Brits would never again be a force in middle distance running. The Africans (and New Zealanders) were the new force to be reckoned with and the Brits would slide into oblivion. I wonder

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread Conway
and Field List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:28 PM Subject: RE: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running > GRRR! > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] O

RE: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread malmo
GRRR! > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jon Entine > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 4:06 PM > To: malmo; Track and Field List > Subject: Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running >

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread Jon Entine
ther than further > dividing those of different skin color? > >> From: Jon Entine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Jon Entine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: malmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Track and Field List >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject:

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread Jon Entine
rom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jon Entine >> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:46 PM >> To: Track and Field List >> Subject: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running >> >> >> Thought this would provoke the usual o

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread Wayne T. Armbrust
Jon Entine wrote: > Thought this would provoke the usual outrage. If anyone wants to print this > unpublished article, or reproduce it on a website, please send me a note. I > will be most obliging. Jon, how did West African genes get to the Ukraine and East African genes get to Switzerland?

RE: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread malmo
Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:46 PM > To: Track and Field List > Subject: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running > > > Thought this would provoke the usual outrage. If anyone wants > to print this unpublished article, or reproduce it on a > website, please send me a n

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread alan tobin
Book sales down again Jon? Alan >From: Jon Entine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Jon Entine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Track and Field List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running >Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:45:55 -0700 &

t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

2001-08-09 Thread Jon Entine
Thought this would provoke the usual outrage. If anyone wants to print this unpublished article, or reproduce it on a website, please send me a note. I will be most obliging. ** 9 August 2001 The End of the British Empire: Why a Brit (Black or White) Will Never Again Hold a Distance Running