RE: t-and-f: 3:14 and Mark Nenow

Pathetic. >ESPN does have a statistician...Carol Lewis.> _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

RE: t-and-f: 3:14 and Mark Nenow

ESPN does have a statistician...Carol Lewis. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael > Contopoulos > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 9:41 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: t-and-f: 3:14 and Mark Nenow > > > Did anyone else n

t-and-f: 3:14 and Mark Nenow

Did anyone else notice that last night on ESPN2 they listed Broe's PR to be 3:14 and still had Mark Nenow as the AR holder in the 10k? Don't they have statisticians over there? In all, though, I would have to say I was pleased with the coverage. They showed most of the steeple and at least

RE: t-and-f: 3:14 and Mark Nenow

According to Track and Field News, the Bible of the Sport ;-) , Meb's 27:13 is pending, so that officially Nenow is still the record holder; if you want to be hair splitting about it. Steve ps ESPN2 could have at least mentioned the new mark awaiting certification, though. At 10:01 AM 8/9/01

Re: t-and-f: 3:14 and Mark Nenow

In a message dated 8/9/01 9:48:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Did anyone else notice that last night on ESPN2 they listed Broe's PR to be 3:14 and still had Mark Nenow as the AR holder in the 10k? >> Ouch! That never should have happened, but sometimes a bad stat (or two) gets by whe

Re: t-and-f: 3:14 and Mark Nenow

In a message dated 8/9/01 10:43:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << According to Track and Field News, the Bible of the Sport ;-) , Meb's 27:13 is pending, so that officially Nenow is still the record holder; if you want to be hair splitting about it. >> Since most pending marks are later ap

RE: t-and-f: 3:14 and Mark Nenow

It seems that Dragila's 15-9 1/4 is technically still a pending record as well as any other of her 2001 marks. I didn't see TV coverage of women's pole vault, but I'd be willing to bet WR and AR if cited wasn't her 15 2 1/4 at the end of 2000. -Original Message- From: Steve Grathwohl [mai

t-and-f: Re: The Worlds: pole vault qualifying and announcing

In a message dated 8/8/01 17:28:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: <> the vault commentary was definitely Dragila-oriented in the early going, just as last night's men's discus was slanted towards 4x world champ Lars Riedel going for his fifth. As the WR holder, Stacy was the star of the show, and

t-and-f: Malcolm scents 200 metres medal

The Electronic Telegraph Thursday 9 August 2001 CHRISTIAN MALCOLM carries British medal hopes into the final of tonight's 200 metres at the World Championships in Edmonton. The 22-year-old overhauled Linford Christie to become the second fastest Brit of all-time after carving another 0.05 sec

t-and-f: Kamathi ends Gebrselassie's golden run

The Electronic Telegraph Thursday 9 August 2001 HAILE GEBRSELASSIE suffered a shock defeat in the 10,000 metres final late last night when he finished third in a race won by Kenya's Charles Kamathi. Kamathi ended the Ethiopian legend's unbeaten run of eight years and his bid to win his fifth

Re: t-and-f: PV Results, revised

When I posted data yesterday showing the effect of applying the two-miss rule to the women's vault results, Gary responded: >While a 2-vault rule (which i absolutely detest) would have changed the >Edmonton results markedly, to simply go through and lop off the result of >third-attempt jumps pres

t-and-f: Re: Pettigrew - splits?

I agree completely with Byron, moreover I suspect he went out plenty fast (except for his disappointing start reaction). I'll bet his first 200 was faster than his 2nd which would suggest that he ran smartest of all since he would have slowed down the least (i.e.come closest to his maximum

t-and-f: Felix Sanchez as American as they come

, but my blood is Dominican," says Sanchez, whose father lives in the Dominican Republic and whose mother is a hair stylist in San Diego. "My parents are Dominican. And I'm the one who sought out the Dominican Republic to see if I could run for them. They didn't know

Re: t-and-f: Re: Pettigrew - splits?

--- Geoff Pietsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll bet his first 200 was faster than his 2nd which would suggest > that he ran smartest of all since he would have slowed down the least That's a mighty big assumption, especially considering that he didn't win. Sure, he may have run his own race,

t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

Thought this would provoke the usual outrage. If anyone wants to print this unpublished article, or reproduce it on a website, please send me a note. I will be most obliging. ** 9 August 2001 The End of the British Empire: Why a Brit (Black or White) Will Never Again Hold a Distance Running

Re: t-and-f: Felix Sanchez as American as they come

In a message dated 8/9/01 2:38:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Sanchez is the only American in the 400 hurdles final, and yet nobody on the broadcast team -- not even Dwight or Larry, the usually astute pros -- took note of that >> I really don't have time to answer every criticism of th

t-and-f: TV coverage

I guess the TV coverage is not too bad for American TV, but it's still quite poor. The meet started at 8 pm EDT. ESPN came on at 1 am -- a five hour delay. Australian TV again showed the whole meet live. The entire high jump. The entire 10K. I guess ESPN didn't want to pre-empt their Wedne

Re: t-and-f: Felix Sanchez as American as they come

Please, spare us -- let's hope this "story" doesn't mean an "up close and personal." SGMW --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The Sanchez story will be told > before tomorrow's final. (And > please, Ken, don't take credit for alerting us to > his "story"). ___

t-and-f: Drugs are talk of the town

The Irish Times Thursday, August 09, 2001 Ian O'Riordan Yet more talk of the lab rather than the track surfaced in Edmonton yesterday. The plot surrounding Russian distant runner Olga Yegorova thickened further, the fate of 800-metre contender Fabiane Dos Santos was decided forever, and the Ca

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

Book sales down again Jon? Alan >From: Jon Entine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Jon Entine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Track and Field List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running >Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 11:45:55 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [128.

RE: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

I guessed that because the sprints aren't complying with Entine's bigoted views he'd focus on the 1500. Nothing new, the same tired, old sh!t. malmo > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jon Entine > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:4

Re: t-and-f: Felix Sanchez as American as they come

In a message dated 8/9/01 3:37:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Please, spare us -- let's hope this "story" doesn't mean an "up close and personal." >> Have no fear...there will be no "up close and personal" on Sanchez. WM

Re: t-and-f: Drugs are talk of the town

<<>> Wouldn't the added fitness from a year's (or many year's) worth of training on EPO make her physically more fit than her rivals. She wouldn't lose those gains, correct? M _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://e

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

Jon Entine wrote: > Thought this would provoke the usual outrage. If anyone wants to print this > unpublished article, or reproduce it on a website, please send me a note. I > will be most obliging. Jon, how did West African genes get to the Ukraine and East African genes get to Switzerland?

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

Malmo: You are an angry person... Except the sprint results certainly do reflect, without question, the underlying bio-genetic reality. Absolutely and unequivocally. How you can turn science into bigotry is an issue you'll have to deal with in the confessional both. On 8/9/01 12:43 PM, "malmo

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

Sigh... Michael, you just don't want to acknowledge the issues. When a .200 hitter has a three hit day, we don't suddenly call him the leagues' best hitter. We are talking population genetics. When 7 percent of the world's population holds 98 percent of the top times in sprinting, and 5 percent

Re: t-and-f: Drugs are talk of the town

> < the start of the race, but Ljungqvist also stated that other athletes > << <<>> > Wouldn't the added fitness from a year's (or many year's) worth of training > on EPO make her physically more fit than her rivals. She wouldn't lose > those gains, correct? I was wondering about that myse

FW: t-and-f: Drugs are talk of the town

>The official IAAF statement claims that 50 athletes have so far been tested >for EPO just before and during the championships, and Yegorova was one of >them. According to IAAF vice-president Arne Ljungqvist, about 10 of those >tests, including Yegorova, show red blood cell outside normal paramet

RE: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

GRRR! > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jon Entine > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 4:06 PM > To: malmo; Track and Field List > Subject: Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running > > > Malmo: > > You are

t-and-f: IAAF reports on EPO test results (Yegorova negative - presumably)

LS Hereunder you find a press release by the IAAF, send out by email 2.52pm local time (7 hours before the start of the 5000m heats for women here in Edmonton). All but one doping sample collected here at the Worlds have come out negative for use of EPO. Nothing has come out yet as to who the one

t-and-f: What Happened to the 200 meters ??

A year and a half ago we were looking at the men's 200 as perhaps the most exciting race of the Olympic games .. With a potential final of Mo Greene, Michael Johnson, Ato Boldon, Frank Fredericks, Francis Obikwelu, Claudinei da Silva, Marcin Urbas, and John Capel all of whom had run sub 20.00 with

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

It's ok Malmo .. I'm still trying to figure out what part of Africa Kederis is from ... Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Jon Entine'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Track and Field List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

Years ago, in the late seventies, a certain Steve Ovett attended a coaching seminar where the lecturer said that Brits would never again be a force in middle distance running. The Africans (and New Zealanders) were the new force to be reckoned with and the Brits would slide into oblivion. I wonder

Re: t-and-f: TV coverage

Compare ABC/ESPN coverage of Edmonton with OLN coverage of the Tour de France. The time difference between US East coast and France is 6 hours, yet we got 2 to 4 hours live coverage of the Tour every day. The time difference to Edmonton is 2 hours, yet we have time delays which make it almost impo

t-and-f: MJ v CL announcing

I haven't noticed a discussion on this topic yet, so maybe we can start a campaign to remove one of the worst sores on US TV coverage. The difference in quality in commentating between MJ and Carol Lewis was just stunning. I finally figured out what was so incredibly annoying about Lewis--she

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

Hey John, I suppose the up and coming Spanish runners are African, huh? I wish I could say that it was America's turn to take back distance running, but it appears as though Spain is headed in that direction. Prediction: by 2008, at the latest, the best middle and long distance runners in th

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

Michael: I suggest you get hold of a good genetics book, such as Luca Cavalli-Sforza's The History and Geography of Genes. It will give you a little understanding of how population pockets evolved and the role of genetics in shaping phenotypes--characteristics--of body type and physiology. In fa

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

> We are talking population genetics. When 7 percent of the world's population > holds 98 percent of the top times in sprinting, and 5 percent holds more > than 70 percent of the top endurance times, it is meaningful. "statistically significant", yes. "meaningful"? I have yet to be convinced it

t-and-f: DQ Controversy?

Omigod!!! An athlete was DQ'd in the Women's 800m heats. Lets get rid of the event as we can't have such things happening in T&F. She broke the rules in this preposterous event that has no business being contested. These rules are interpreted by the officials and it was a judgement call that le

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

Ed, I think the meaningful part applies to the notion that British athletes should train harder as Coe suggests in order to beat the Africans. If the reason for training harder is solely to beat the Africans then the numbers Entine quotes are meaningful, but if the reason for a Brit to train harde

t-and-f: 200 photofinish

Thank god, or whomever invented the thing!! I'd hate to have to separate the mens 200m finish, ouch that was close. I guess MJ will have eat his hat. He said, I think, that Kenderis would never win another Champs 200. MJR

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

-- "Michael Contopoulos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And jon-boy, for every 10 black kids that sprint, probably 1 white > kid sprints... because of a$$'s like yourself who discourage them. Nah, you'll have to do better than that. There's no question that there is somewhat of a reverse discrimin

Re: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

Tom D. wrote: > I think the meaningful part applies to the notion that British athletes > should train harder as Coe suggests in order to beat the Africans. If the > reason for training harder is solely to beat the Africans then the numbers > Entine quotes are meaningful, but if the reason for a B

t-and-f: What in the world happened?

Okay, All I have is the "agate" on the IAAF/Edmonton web site- 42 women started the 20K Walk, and FIFTEEN OF THEM got disqualified!!! Is that a new record or something? More than a third of the field. [I haven't seen the TV- just got home from a parent's planning meeting for a H.S. team XC trai

t-and-f: American Sprinters Mysteriously Vanish

It's probably just coincidence, but I wonder if the "second-coming" of U.S. distance running is connected in any way with the "demise" of U.S. sprinting. They probably don't have anything to do with each other, but the timing is an odd coincidence. Also, of course, we're talking two different le

RE: t-and-f: The End of the British Rule in Running

Dan, you live in Oregon. There aren't 50 black kids in the entire state! malmo > > Nah, you'll have to do better than that. There's no question > that there is somewhat of a reverse discrimination against > whites when it comes to sprinting, but I very much doubt > there are 10x as many bl

RE: t-and-f: blacks in oregon

--- malmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan, you live in Oregon. There aren't 50 black kids in the entire state! I've shared a class room with more than that. That does bring up a point that I omitted in the previous post, though. The only time I've seen as many or more blacks sprinting at non-e

Re: t-and-f: What in the world happened?

Netters This is going to both the T&F list and the race walk list. For those on the racewalk list Randy Treadway is a I-friend of mine. He wrote: > Okay, All I have is the "agate" on the IAAF/Edmonton web > site-> 42 women started the 20K Walk, and FIFTEEN OF THEM > got disqualified!!! Snip >

Re: t-and-f: Thiam puts Senegal on sporting map

> The Electronic Telegraph > Thursday 9 August 2001 > Tom Knight [...] > Merry said: [...] I'm glad Breuer didn't win > because of her tarnished past. Does that mean, she wishes her teammate Mark Richardson not to win because of his "tarnished past"? Once guilty, ever guilty? Hard to believe.

t-and-f: USATF Release: JOHNSON WINS THIRD WORLD TITLE!

Contact:Jill M. Geer Director of Communications At the USATF Xerox Media Center: 780-821-4130 http://www.usatf.org FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, August 8, 2001 Johnson wins third world title Hysong and Crawford bring home bronze EDMONTON - Allen Johnson on Thursday